The Dye Implementation is Hideous

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

Okay I am fairly angry. I tested the dyes on pts but since we actually had to do the achievements there to get them, I didn't get to see most of them.

On plate, from what I can tell, the dyes look great.

On cloth and leather, they are a wash, and sometimes don't even come out as the right color. On my leather, my skyshard blue is light green.

Also, all the armor got changed, so now, my nice dunmer level 14 homespun outfit on my alt went from a very nice darkish blue grey and tan to that hideous newbie green. The green I had been avoiding desperately.

Only, I can't avoid it because I'm really just tinting leather and cloth. So I don't actually look good in anything unless I just want to wear heavy armor.

Oh, and my leather itself, it's fuchsia. It comes that way now. So I am putting a wash over fuchsia leather. It's almost pink really. I had to go with ruby throne red which I inexplicably have access to, because red is the only thing that works to wash out the fuchsia, anything else turns into green tints or purple.

I complained about this before, but there is also only one white in the entire system. Juliasnos white for trials. Every other white is a grey or light pink or light blue. I am staring at some people in julianos white on trial gear and it looks very white, probably because they are wearing plate.

I don't care about black, I want to wear white. I want to actually have a reason to dye my armor other than hiding the ugly that it has become.

UnholyPerfection · August 2014

This is upsetting for me too, the one colour that I really want is a brilliant white.

Logan9a · August 2014

It is more ugly than I'd imagined, but I play first person POV so don't have to see myself.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

It looks nothing like the previews they gave when they showed various combos the devs had come up with. Those were solid colors. None of these are.

crislevin · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

It looks nothing like the previews they gave when they showed various combos the devs had come up with. Those were solid colors. None of these are.

do you have a link to those preview pictures?

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

http://tamrieljournal.com/eso-road-ahead-july-8/

as you can see, some of that is leather, some is cloth, it is accented, as well. They are not washes.

SHADOW2KK · August 2014

On the PTS, where is the amour dye station in Davons watch?? its driving me nuts trying to find it lol

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

On the PTS, where is the amour dye station in Davons watch?? its driving me nuts trying to find it lol

they're not even placed in meaningful hubs like the first and last zones of the faction. I have no idea where yours is, I went to craglorn to belkarth. I checked Velyn Harbor and Rawl'kha and nothing. I would have thought the final zone in each faction, where everyone buys and sells would be a logical place to put a dye station. Instead it just seems like they threw some darts at a map.

SHADOW2KK · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

On the PTS, where is the amour dye station in Davons watch?? its driving me nuts trying to find it lol

they're not even placed in meaningful hubs like the first and last zones of the faction. I have no idea where yours is, I went to craglorn to belkarth. I checked Velyn Harbor and Rawl'kha and nothing. I would have thought the final zone in each faction, where everyone buys and sells would be a logical place to put a dye station. Instead it just seems like they threw some darts at a map.

Thanks for reply matey

crislevin · August 2014

It's usually very close to alchemy stations.

In Rawl'Kha, it's in the center market place.

SHADOW2KK · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

On the PTS, where is the amour dye station in Davons watch?? its driving me nuts trying to find it lol

they're not even placed in meaningful hubs like the first and last zones of the faction. I have no idea where yours is, I went to craglorn to belkarth. I checked Velyn Harbor and Rawl'kha and nothing. I would have thought the final zone in each faction, where everyone buys and sells would be a logical place to put a dye station. Instead it just seems like they threw some darts at a map.

My friend is doing this, not me, im happy enough to wait for the patch, but shes asking as shes level 3, and done a new char for the PTS server, and started in Davons Watch, where the amour dye station is, any ideas where this damned place is, for my own peace of mind, and to save her ranking up or travelling around Tamriel to find it and test it out lol

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

On the PTS, where is the amour dye station in Davons watch?? its driving me nuts trying to find it lol

they're not even placed in meaningful hubs like the first and last zones of the faction. I have no idea where yours is, I went to craglorn to belkarth. I checked Velyn Harbor and Rawl'kha and nothing. I would have thought the final zone in each faction, where everyone buys and sells would be a logical place to put a dye station. Instead it just seems like they threw some darts at a map.

My friend is doing this, not me, im happy enough to wait for the patch, but shes asking as shes level 3, and done a new char for the PTS server, and started in Davons Watch, where the amour dye station is, any ideas where this damned place is, for my own peace of mind, and to save her ranking up or travelling around Tamriel to find it and test it out lol

for pts don't make a new character, make a trials character covenant faction (I think that's the only faction you can use and it has to be a covenant race)

when you are done you will log into belkarth and will have a bunch of armor packs you can unpack with leather, cloth, plate, all trials stuff.

SHADOW2KK · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

On the PTS, where is the amour dye station in Davons watch?? its driving me nuts trying to find it lol

they're not even placed in meaningful hubs like the first and last zones of the faction. I have no idea where yours is, I went to craglorn to belkarth. I checked Velyn Harbor and Rawl'kha and nothing. I would have thought the final zone in each faction, where everyone buys and sells would be a logical place to put a dye station. Instead it just seems like they threw some darts at a map.

My friend is doing this, not me, im happy enough to wait for the patch, but shes asking as shes level 3, and done a new char for the PTS server, and started in Davons Watch, where the amour dye station is, any ideas where this damned place is, for my own peace of mind, and to save her ranking up or travelling around Tamriel to find it and test it out lol

for pts don't make a new character, make a trials character covenant faction (I think that's the only faction you can use and it has to be a covenant race)

when you are done you will log into belkarth and will have a bunch of armor packs you can unpack with leather, cloth, plate, all trials stuff.

Thank you very much matey

ThyIronFist · August 2014

lol

SHADOW2KK · August 2014

How do you get ur character to high levels to test out armour dyes ?

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

How do you get ur character to high levels to test out armour dyes ?

trial character starts at vr12 but you get absolutely no achievements outside of leveling etc, so you really just don't get to test colors.

It seems like most *** they can't be bothered to get player input on. Anyone who wanted to test the dropped set changes had to farm the pieces afaik.

SHADOW2KK · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

How do you get ur character to high levels to test out armour dyes ?

trial character starts at vr12 but you get absolutely no achievements outside of leveling etc, so you really just don't get to test colors.

It seems like most *** they can't be bothered to get player input on. Anyone who wanted to test the dropped set changes had to farm the pieces afaik.

Thank you for the response, but she is unable to create a character thats Vr12, it always seems to be a level 3 character constantly, so completely unsure of how to access this or even to get remotely near the armour dyes

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

How do you get ur character to high levels to test out armour dyes ?

trial character starts at vr12 but you get absolutely no achievements outside of leveling etc, so you really just don't get to test colors.

It seems like most *** they can't be bothered to get player input on. Anyone who wanted to test the dropped set changes had to farm the pieces afaik.

Thank you for the response, but she is unable to create a character thats Vr12, it always seems to be a level 3 character constantly, so completely unsure of how to access this or even to get remotely near the armour dyes

okay, if she goes through the regular character creation process it will be a level 3 character.

on the top left of the screen in the character creation page (click create character first) you will see a dropdown menu that says none.

select trial testing template (only other option)

from what I can tell, you can only use DC races.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

I have some sort of grey white on a full plate set for my pts redguard and while I still don't understand why only the time trial white is actually white, it is a fairly solid color. You can kind of see the metal underneath but it's not fighting with any color the metal might have had originally.

Her leather looks brown with a grey-white wash.

That's ugly to me but it would be preferable to fuchsia with a greenish-grey wash.

SHADOW2KK · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

How do you get ur character to high levels to test out armour dyes ?

trial character starts at vr12 but you get absolutely no achievements outside of leveling etc, so you really just don't get to test colors.

It seems like most *** they can't be bothered to get player input on. Anyone who wanted to test the dropped set changes had to farm the pieces afaik.

Thank you for the response, but she is unable to create a character thats Vr12, it always seems to be a level 3 character constantly, so completely unsure of how to access this or even to get remotely near the armour dyes

okay, if she goes through the regular character creation process it will be a level 3 character.

on the top left of the screen in the character creation page (click create character first) you will see a dropdown menu that says none.

select trial testing template (only other option)

from what I can tell, you can only use DC races.

Excellent, thanks for intel mate, thank you very much, saves me a headache:P

SHADOW2KK · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I have some sort of grey white on a full plate set for my pts redguard and while I still don't understand why only the time trial white is actually white, it is a fairly solid color. You can kind of see the metal underneath but it's not fighting with any color the metal might have had originally.

Her leather looks brown with a grey-white wash.

That's ugly to me but it would be preferable to fuchsia with a greenish-grey wash.

Hehehe sounds um different lol

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

What is infuriating about this is that I didn't even care about dyes in the first place. But now I am forced to dye my armor a color that is slightly less ugly than the color my armor has become.

This can't be a saturation issue, my sorc's armor went from dark grey-blue to newbie green.

SHADOW2KK · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

What is infuriating about this is that I didn't even care about dyes in the first place. But now I am forced to dye my armor a color that is slightly less ugly than the color my armor has become.

This can't be a saturation issue, my sorc's armor went from dark grey-blue to newbie green.

Lol I can imagine, I dont know if it would make a difference, but if you use Nvidia, you can use in nvidia settings, digital vibrance to change the saturation of the appearance of stuff, but it does depend on how the game actually looks, then sharpening and tinting it more so, haha.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

What is infuriating about this is that I didn't even care about dyes in the first place. But now I am forced to dye my armor a color that is slightly less ugly than the color my armor has become.

This can't be a saturation issue, my sorc's armor went from dark grey-blue to newbie green.

Lol I can imagine, I dont know if it would make a difference, but if you use Nvidia, you can use in nvidia settings, digital vibrance to change the saturation of the appearance of stuff, but it does depend on how the game actually looks, then sharpening and tinting it more so, haha.

like I said, it has nothing to do with saturation, it's an entirely different color. grey-blue will never become pale green. Plus part of the appearance for me is the appearance, or a reasonable facsimile, of what others see. To tint the armor correctly the rest of the game would be in silly colors like purple for the sky and green for the water etc.

SHADOW2KK · August 2014

Fair point:P

Anastasia · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Okay I am fairly angry. I tested the dyes on pts but since we actually had to do the achievements there to get them, I didn't get to see most of them.

On plate, from what I can tell, the dyes look great.

On cloth and leather, they are a wash, and sometimes don't even come out as the right color. On my leather, my skyshard blue is light green.

Also, all the armor got changed, so now, my nice dunmer level 14 homespun outfit on my alt went from a very nice darkish blue grey and tan to that hideous newbie green. The green I had been avoiding desperately.

Only, I can't avoid it because I'm really just tinting leather and cloth. So I don't actually look good in anything unless I just want to wear heavy armor.

Oh, and my leather itself, it's fuchsia. It comes that way now. So I am putting a wash over fuchsia leather. It's almost pink really. I had to go with ruby throne red which I inexplicably have access to, because red is the only thing that works to wash out the fuchsia, anything else turns into green tints or purple.

I complained about this before, but there is also only one white in the entire system. Juliasnos white for trials. Every other white is a grey or light pink or light blue. I am staring at some people in julianos white on trial gear and it looks very white, probably because they are wearing plate.

I don't care about black, I want to wear white. I want to actually have a reason to dye my armor other than hiding the ugly that it has become.

Today's patch did mention gradients or something we can adjust in our Settings...won't change how OTHERS SEE YOU lol, but will change it on your system a "tad"...maybe.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

Anastasia wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Okay I am fairly angry. I tested the dyes on pts but since we actually had to do the achievements there to get them, I didn't get to see most of them.

On plate, from what I can tell, the dyes look great.

On cloth and leather, they are a wash, and sometimes don't even come out as the right color. On my leather, my skyshard blue is light green.

Also, all the armor got changed, so now, my nice dunmer level 14 homespun outfit on my alt went from a very nice darkish blue grey and tan to that hideous newbie green. The green I had been avoiding desperately.

Only, I can't avoid it because I'm really just tinting leather and cloth. So I don't actually look good in anything unless I just want to wear heavy armor.

Oh, and my leather itself, it's fuchsia. It comes that way now. So I am putting a wash over fuchsia leather. It's almost pink really. I had to go with ruby throne red which I inexplicably have access to, because red is the only thing that works to wash out the fuchsia, anything else turns into green tints or purple.

I complained about this before, but there is also only one white in the entire system. Juliasnos white for trials. Every other white is a grey or light pink or light blue. I am staring at some people in julianos white on trial gear and it looks very white, probably because they are wearing plate.

I don't care about black, I want to wear white. I want to actually have a reason to dye my armor other than hiding the ugly that it has become.

Today's patch did mention gradients or something we can adjust in our Settings...won't change how OTHERS SEE YOU lol, but will change it on your system a "tad"...maybe.

right but they said they changed saturation, but this can't be a saturation issue. They completely changed the colors of the armor.

The rest of the world is not so oversaturated that it is having this problem. And the colors don't look like they are oversaturated.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

I don't actually even see a setting to change saturation like they mentioned, just the same settings as before.

DaniAngione · August 2014

Well, this was probably a last-hour change based on all that whining about "too vivid colors", "people are going to look like the power rangers" bullship.

Congratulations whiners, now everyone is wearing ugly, washed clothing.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

Here's my problem, which is not entirely relevant now because all my supplies are locked in a guild bank.

I need to make new armor, light and medium sets. I now have absolutely zero idea what color these armors are going to be naturally, and any dyes will just be me trying to wrestle the appearance into something less unpleasant.

I don't really care about the dyes, but I got pumped for it anyway. They said all colors would be accessible in some form or another. Apparently white isn't a color because the amount of tint in anything but julianos white makes them very not white and as a wash this is especially apparent.

I have black coming out the ears. I don't want black armor ffs. 20 different shades of black and only one white that most people can't obtain. Even if legate white was actually similar, it is so absurdly high up the chain in pvp ranks I might get it in a year. So there would be a crafting alternative or a pve alternative right? Moonstone white, for example, is actually blue. Even the master vampire white is not actually white. For some inexplicable reason, the closest I can get is birch white for refining 300 materials and somehow I don't have it even though I have refined so much more than that.

So no white. I decide to try something else. Everything I try is ugly. That pervasive shade of pink-fuchsia is underneath every color, so only certain colors cancel it out.

I'm not using barbaric for my next two sets of armor but I have absolutely no idea what I will be dealing with since they decide to repaint everything.

Alphashado · August 2014

I like they dye system. I think it is very well done.