ZaDrots (Fanfaron) vs Shido's raid

valiel · August 2014

Sorry guy, but... is it really the highest class using only one stuff and 2-3 skills all the time? Its akin a sorf of a disable person.
Therefore i dont like any mass pvp action in this game. Its just a raid-leader+sheeps, in which bots can act more efficient. But, yeah, you can be proud of the ultra HD display.
Nothing personal.

Kl3mzyy · August 2014

This is how looks every single guild vs guild fight, it's nothing special and no skill is included in it.
All what you need to do is watch on your magicka, your movement and smash 1 button with sometimes pressing on ulty and second spell which is always immovable. Sadly nothing to brag about, everyone which were HC or semi-HC pvping already did it months ago.

i am still wondering why i didn't saw a single suppression field/absorption field in video? I guess you guys aren't that good after all

Krentar_RNX · August 2014

Kl3mzyy wrote: »

i am still wondering why i didn't saw a single suppression field/absorption field in video? I guess you guys aren't that good after all

Cap of 6 players and the worst is that immovable counter the effect, also you can use "break free" for removing the silence, what used to be a top tier ultimate, now its gimped.

JamilaRaj · August 2014

1:26 - zero health, still living.

james_vestbergb16_ESO · August 2014

They really need to make Immovable, and the other armor classes active skills ofc, a 5 piece minimum. You dont get the passive skills from the armor trees unless you wear that armor type so why are the active skills free for any armor type????

And furthermore Immovable countering Negate is just beyond stupid. That one single stupidity make these Rainbow trains so hard to kill.

Zenimax hire someone competent for skill design and balancing pls.

Skafsgaard · August 2014

Kira_Night wrote: »

lol, we're 20-23 (a few AFK) when ran in to you guys - but good fight

50+ ?! just wow

Maybe the killcounter showed me other PUGs that died nearby. So I can not affirm the exact number of your raid

Good fight, definately.

Yep, on Thursday, July 31. We were alone and there was your raid for sure (we saw Shido's nickname). We fought on the hill - just we and you. And maybe only few PUGs from your side. We won that time and there was 53 kills on the killcounter. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As you please, you are wrong. We were nowhere near 30, but 50? I think you boost our numbers for you to look good? Kinda sad, but even the best die sometimes

Kira_Night · August 2014

Skafsgaard wrote: »

As you please, you are wrong. We were nowhere near 30, but 50? I think you boost our numbers for you to look good? Kinda sad, but even the best die sometimes

Hi Bro! I'm not saying that I'm right on 100%, and I asked you to tell me if I'm wrong in numbers. But to tell the truth, your raid usualy travels with PUGs and your numbers are higher than just your own group. Okay, I totally agree that PUGs advantage is not so significant. I don't want to look better than I am (and my group is). If I wanted that, I'd rather showed everyone the video where you die only...

But I want to show that there is a real guid competition in Cyrodiil nowadays. Also I want to attract more new players to join guids and to roll across the Cyrodiil. Because as you know it's hard to capture the key locations (keeps and scrolls) with only 20 people in a group.

Here is the link where you can join our Russian guild btw:
http://zadrots.ru/forum/276-zaiavki-na-vstuplenie/

And for the last (you forced me to do it Bro), here is the video how we fight with AD with Karisha's group (the German one). You should watch from 2:45 to 6:42. The most exciting moment is from 6:01 where we found you guys from Shido's group and made total desintegration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QRQ1IvUTuo#t=161

Holycannoli · August 2014

This video shows why AOE caps need to be removed. I can't be the only one who finds it ass backwards that people purposely clump together vs AOE, and all it leads to is impulse spamming.

Lava_Croft · August 2014

Fights like this make me long for being able to use emotes during combat. That way I can express my boredom with /sitchair.

Kira_Night · August 2014

Holycannoli wrote: »

This video shows why AOE caps need to be removed. I can't be the only one who finds it ass backwards that people purposely clump together vs AOE, and all it leads to is impulse spamming.

You don't even know what are you talking about... Impulse spamming raid - thats LOL. There are about 2 people who uses Impulse in raids! No sense to use it by more than 2-3 people.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Xsorus · August 2014

I love how we have people in this thread that think because they run in an organized 20 man group, they are some how not Zerging. News flash.... You are Zerging.....

If you ran 16 people in Daoc and you we're fighting other 8 mans with those 16 you were Zerging. You would be laughed off the forums if you even admitted you ran that many people in that game.

If you ran 10 people in daoc and fought other 8 mans you were considered Zerging and again laughed off the forums.

If you think this just applies to 8v8 you would be mistaken

If you are 3 to 8 stealthers in daoc and you were considered to be Zerging.

If you run 20 people in ESO you are Zerging. I know your pride might be hurt by that but that still doesn't change the fact. You are Zerging.

Oh and before someone says "we fight groups that have more people then us all the time" you are still Zerging, you getting out Zerged does not change that fact.

Sharee · August 2014

Kira_Night wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

This video shows why AOE caps need to be removed. I can't be the only one who finds it ass backwards that people purposely clump together vs AOE, and all it leads to is impulse spamming.

You don't even know what are you talking about...

He does have a point tho.

AOE spells exist to punish people for bunching up in one place. Therefore it makes no sense that the more people you bunch up in one place, the safer they are from the AOE.

If AOE only hitting six people is a technical limitation of the server, they should at least make it so that any damage that would be done to players in area of effect but isn't because they are over the 6 target limit would instead be distributed between those that were hit.

Say you hit the ground with 1000 damage spell, and there are 6 targets in the AOE, each will get damaged by 1000. If there are 12 people in the AOE, only 6 get hit, but for 2000. That would keep the cap, but still discourage people from bunching up.

Maylinh · August 2014

Kira_Night wrote: »

Skafsgaard wrote: »

As you please, you are wrong. We were nowhere near 30, but 50? I think you boost our numbers for you to look good? Kinda sad, but even the best die sometimes

Hi Bro! I'm not saying that I'm right on 100%, and I asked you to tell me if I'm wrong in numbers. But to tell the truth, your raid usualy travels with PUGs and your numbers are higher than just your own group. Okay, I totally agree that PUGs advantage is not so significant. I don't want to look better than I am (and my group is). If I wanted that, I'd rather showed everyone the video where you die only...
But I want to show that there is a real guid competition in Cyrodiil nowadays. Also I want to attract more new players to join guids and to roll across the Cyrodiil. Because as you know it's hard to capture the key locations (keeps and scrolls) with only 20 people in a group.

And for the last (you forced me to do it Bro), here is the video how we fight with AD with Karisha's group (the German one). You should watch from 2:45 to 6:42. The most exciting moment is from 6:01 where we found you guys from Shido's group and made total desintegration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QRQ1IvUTuo#t=161

STREAK DEM ALL!!! That was seriously hilarious to see on live. Brilliant

I was dying from laughter

QuiCkyRa · August 2014

haha nice Vid lastivka

MrNice · August 2014

Shido, is it interesting to play like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLH-mQIKOKk&feature=youtu.be
?
Just interesting...

Maulkin · August 2014

MrNice wrote: »

Shido, is it interesting to play like this:

?
Just interesting...

Yes shido makes the lag. Among his other special powers is also the ability to control the moon's phases and to make your gf ovulate just by looking at her.

Desdemonte · August 2014

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Skafsgaard · August 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

I love how we have people in this thread that think because they run in an organized 20 man group, they are some how not Zerging. News flash.... You are Zerging.....

If you ran 16 people in Daoc and you we're fighting other 8 mans with those 16 you were Zerging. You would be laughed off the forums if you even admitted you ran that many people in that game.

If you ran 10 people in daoc and fought other 8 mans you were considered Zerging and again laughed off the forums.

If you think this just applies to 8v8 you would be mistaken

If you are 3 to 8 stealthers in daoc and you were considered to be Zerging.

If you run 20 people in ESO you are Zerging. I know your pride might be hurt by that but that still doesn't change the fact. You are Zerging.

Oh and before someone says "we fight groups that have more people then us all the time" you are still Zerging, you getting out Zerged does not change that fact.

You obviously never played starcraft - like you own the definition of zerging. So armies are zerging?

Please go back to WoW battlegrounds and leave proper warfare to the adults! Oh and blame the Americans for zerging WW2

shidoq8 · August 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

MrNice wrote: »

Shido, is it interesting to play like this:

?
Just interesting...

Yes shido makes the lag. Among his other special powers is also the ability to control the moon's phases and to make your gf ovulate just by looking at her.

LOL LOL

Xsorus · August 2014

Skafsgaard wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

I love how we have people in this thread that think because they run in an organized 20 man group, they are some how not Zerging. News flash.... You are Zerging.....

If you ran 16 people in Daoc and you we're fighting other 8 mans with those 16 you were Zerging. You would be laughed off the forums if you even admitted you ran that many people in that game.

If you ran 10 people in daoc and fought other 8 mans you were considered Zerging and again laughed off the forums.

If you think this just applies to 8v8 you would be mistaken

If you are 3 to 8 stealthers in daoc and you were considered to be Zerging.

If you run 20 people in ESO you are Zerging. I know your pride might be hurt by that but that still doesn't change the fact. You are Zerging.

Oh and before someone says "we fight groups that have more people then us all the time" you are still Zerging, you getting out Zerged does not change that fact.

You obviously never played starcraft - like you own the definition of zerging. So armies are zerging?

Please go back to WoW battlegrounds and leave proper warfare to the adults! Oh and blame the Americans for zerging WW2

You obviously haven't played an MMO before today. Otherwise you'd know when and why it was co-opted and in what game it was co-opted in.

Kira_Night · August 2014

Nice video MrNice

Maylinh · August 2014

MrNice wrote: »

Shido, is it interesting to play like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLH-mQIKOKk&feature=youtu.be
?
Just interesting...

this was funny, last night. What most funny was: "we have '24' and you have 8734902897980"

#REKT

ItsRejectz · August 2014

Looks like every large battle

Kira_Night · August 2014

Maylinh wrote: »

MrNice wrote: »

Shido, is it interesting to play like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLH-mQIKOKk&feature=youtu.be
?
Just interesting...

this was funny, last night. What most funny was: "we have '24' and you have 8734902897980"

#REKT

You obviously had 24 people in one raid and other 24+24 people in two other raids. And still... this is not what we ALL expecting from this game - lagging each other. We want to play it in correct way. Using tctics and strategies to win, but not LAG SPIKES.

I think every player must write ZOS about this problem and maybe they fix it in earliest time in that case.

Xsorus · August 2014

Kira_Night wrote: »

Maylinh wrote: »

MrNice wrote: »

Shido, is it interesting to play like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLH-mQIKOKk&feature=youtu.be
?
Just interesting...

this was funny, last night. What most funny was: "we have '24' and you have 8734902897980"

#REKT

You obviously had 24 people in one raid and other 24+24 people in two other raids. And still... this is not what we ALL expecting from this game - lagging each other. We want to play it in correct way. Using tctics and strategies to win, but not LAG SPIKES.

I think every player must write ZOS about this problem and maybe they fix it in earliest time in that case.

petition for them to remove AOE caps

You'll get less lag spikes, and you'll get more using of Tactics and Strategy.

MrNice · August 2014

Maylinh wrote: »

MrNice wrote: »

Shido, is it interesting to play like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLH-mQIKOKk&feature=youtu.be
?
Just interesting...

this was funny, last night. What most funny was: "we have '24' and you have 8734902897980"

#REKT

It's just an example. I choosed this video cause here you can exactly see that noone can use abilities. At other videos with same lags we're moving all the time it's not so clearly. Every time we fight with you - same lags.

Maulkin · August 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

petition for them to remove AOE caps

You'll get less lag spikes, and you'll get more using of Tactics and Strategy.

I'm all for removing AoE Caps for a gaming standpoint. However, I seriously doubt it'll decrease lag spikes. If anything negative/positive effects will have to be calculated on far more people than they currently do and thus increase lag.

As a programmer myself I can tell you that with a certain degree of certainty.

WARNING Geeky Part Read At Your Own Risk:

At the moment the first calculation happening on an AoE effect is who gets affected. So probably based on distance from effect epicentre the first 6 players get affected. The cost of that calculation is small.

The 2nd calculation, is the effect of the AoE each individual player, which is the heavier calculation. So your Impulse for example will do different dmg on players based on spell res, shields, your spell penetration among other effects and also the targets HP has to appropriately update.

If AoE caps were removed the 1st calculatiuon would still have to happen to see who is affected, but the 2nd heavier calculation would have to be applied to a lot more people. Thus more processing required, meaning more server lag.

Xsorus · August 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

petition for them to remove AOE caps

You'll get less lag spikes, and you'll get more using of Tactics and Strategy.

I'm all for removing AoE Caps for a gaming standpoint. However, I seriously doubt it'll decrease lag spikes. If anything negative/positive effects will have to be calculated on far more people than they currently do and thus increase lag.

As a programmer myself I can tell you that with a certain degree of certainty.

WARNING Geeky Part Read At Your Own Risk:
At the moment the first calculation happening on an AoE effect is who gets affected. So probably based on distance from effect epicentre the first 6 players get affected. The cost of that calculation is small.

The 2nd calculation, is the effect of the AoE each individual player, which is the heavier calculation. So your Impulse for example will do different dmg on players based on spell res, shields, your spell penetration among other effects and also the targets HP has to appropriately update.

If AoE caps were removed the 1st calculatiuon would still have to happen to see who is affected, but the 2nd heavier calculation would have to be applied to a lot more people. Thus more processing required, meaning more server lag.

You have to look at it like this. With AOE caps in place, people aren't dying when they stand in huge balls spamming AOEs. Thus this eventually overloads the server.

If you removed AOE caps, someone is going to die, very quickly... and then the others will stop AOEing.

Plus you simply won't have these large zerg balls in the first place stacking, cause they'll be easy pickings for smaller AOE groups as well.

Maylinh · August 2014

MrNice wrote: »

Maylinh wrote: »

MrNice wrote: »

Shido, is it interesting to play like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLH-mQIKOKk&feature=youtu.be
?
Just interesting...

this was funny, last night. What most funny was: "we have '24' and you have 8734902897980"

#REKT

It's just an example. I choosed this video cause here you can exactly see that noone can use abilities. At other videos with same lags we're moving all the time it's not so clearly. Every time we fight with you - same lags.

Oh I know, thats why I told my leader I might step out and play only few times a week, instead of every day. The lag is horrendous and totally boring. Ive had no fun in the last few weeks. It is sad. I can really enjoy RvR, but not with the lag. No damage taken or done, rollbacks, latency and so on. Meh!

If the lag wasnt there, or at least LESS lag, then it would be way more interesting.

And normally we also move a lot. But in choke points its quite hard. Although we even moved there, but still a choke point.