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I'm not an elite player

Plumbo
Plumbo
Soul Shriven
What is the joy of being able to play a game .. for me it is clear tasks in the game.
ESO from lvl 0-50 is easy and you get rewards all the way up to building your charter.
From veteran lvl 1blir it a bit difficult to play, but you can play well on the first veteran lvl.
From veteran higher lvl it is almost impossible for a non-elite player like me to play- (2 enemies that's fine .. but 3 and up ..No way)
What happens if you suffer /get kill all the way. yes, begin to speculate if there is a point to continue with the ESO .. I know that the idea behind the veteran level.. is groups .. but finding group is not always easy,, and everyone has a different way of play .. Some like to listen to all of the dialogue ,,others do not listen to all the dialogue..
I like the game very well but have been unsure whether there is any point to continue .. B)
  • Welka
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    This is my first MMO and I have no problem in vet zones. You should review your build, or abilities or play style
  • Armianlee
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    I am not an elite player either, but was able to defeat 3 mobs before they nerfed VR mobs into the ground. Now I can faceroll everything, and even kite additional mobs to make it a challenge. There is no way they need to make it even easier.
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    VR10 Sword and Board Templar (Heavy Armour), Ebonheart Pact
    LVL 25 Sorcerer, Daggerfall Covenant
    LVL 28 DK, Ebonheart Pact
    LVL 15 Nightblade, Altmari Dominion
  • Sharee
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    You do not need to be an elite player to solo veteran content, more so now that it has been made much easier. You should ask for some tips for playing your class. All of them have some way to deal with multiple opponents. Sorcerer can use rune prison to take one out of the fight until you deal with other 2, nightblade can do the same with agony, etc.
  • Plumbo
    Plumbo
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    I'm not asking them to put down the difficulty in the game .. this is how I experience the game .. I know I have a choice it is to try more or just stop playing it .. is no more dramatic than that ...
  • GreySix
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    This is Elder Sorcerers Online.

    So get a dress and a stick, and face-roll everything without effort.
    Crotchety Old Man Guild

    "Hey you, get off my lawn!"
  • Akula
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    Maybe look for more CC or more AOE in your build.
  • Tannakaobi
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    Plumbo wrote: »
    What is the joy of being able to play a game .. for me it is clear tasks in the game.
    ESO from lvl 0-50 is easy and you get rewards all the way up to building your charter.
    From veteran lvl 1blir it a bit difficult to play, but you can play well on the first veteran lvl.
    From veteran higher lvl it is almost impossible for a non-elite player like me to play- (2 enemies that's fine .. but 3 and up ..No way)
    What happens if you suffer /get kill all the way. yes, begin to speculate if there is a point to continue with the ESO .. I know that the idea behind the veteran level.. is groups .. but finding group is not always easy,, and everyone has a different way of play .. Some like to listen to all of the dialogue ,,others do not listen to all the dialogue..
    I like the game very well but have been unsure whether there is any point to continue .. B)

    Just play on god mode, i.e. play a DK!
  • Insignia91
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    Tomorrow respec will be 1 gold per skill point. Take advantage before they raise the price.
  • Kalann_Pander
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    Plumbo wrote: »
    I'm not asking them to put down the difficulty in the game .. this is how I experience the game .. I know I have a choice it is to try more or just stop playing it .. is no more dramatic than that ...

    Since the recent nerf to VR mobs, a significant and consistent majority of posters have indicated that the VR content is solo-able, even too easy for some of them.

    Something (or maybe several things) is wrong in either your skill selection, your passives selection, or the way you play your skills.

    Check out the Tamriel Foundry forums to help with your skill selection, maybe check a few videos on youtube to see how other people manage it.

    Opinions are like buttholes : Everybody has one, and they usually stink.

    3 things to reduce stamina/magicka imbalance :
    - Use magicka to block abilities costing magicka, instead of stamina.
    - Add % damage reduction to heavy armor.
    - Add block penetration to 2H.
  • Inversus
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    I'm hardly an elite player either, but I can handle the mobs in the VR zones pretty easily. Try and focus on CC to pin your enemies down and slowly chip away at each of them.
    Melee enemies can't touch me, then I just nuke the ranged mobs as fast as I can

    self heals (e.g. heal staff heals or other class heals) are also useful for difficult encounters
    VR14 EH Sorc
    VR1 AD NB Crafter
  • Nebthet78
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    My main is a NB Vampire.. I had a HUGE learning curve when going into Vet content and had to completely change my play style in order to survive Vet content on my own as I am a predominant solo player before it was nerfed.

    You actually have to pick and choose which enemy you go after first and work it so you take them down quick then concentrate on the other two. For me, I always took out the healers or the pyromages first since they gave me the worst grief in the game. I avoided gargoyles and storm atronachs as best as possible.

    Since you are also dealing with so many mobs, you need to set an AOE skill into your bar to help stun some enemies when you happen upon them. Fire Rune worked great for me.

    Having a skill that heals your character in the middle of battle is essential. Potions just won't cut it. The cooldown for them is too long (I wish there wasn't one at all).

    I also found you have to learn to specialize in your skills. In the end, I only used two NB skills which included an Ultimate. 2 Vampire Skills, and 1 fighters and 1 mages guild skill. I used a destruction staff and heavy armour. Almost a complete antithesis of what a NB should be.

    If you can, make new armour and weapons for every vet level and ensure you have good enchants on them. Also ensure they are at least Fine if not superior in quality. If you can't do that with the armour, at least make new weapons. You will however need to make new armour every two levels. Especially for levels 3,6, & 9 when the difficulty jumps a notch.

    While I like group content. Unfortunately, I feel it actually teaches really bad game play because everyone is spamming their skills to get hits instead of using strategy to take out a monster. In levels 1-50, this is also an issue since there are so many other players running around doing the same quests and bosses as you, even if you are playing as a solo player.

    In group/public dungeons also, when you are grouped up, you get players that want to race through the place and others that want to take their time to do the quests and read what the npc's are saying so you end up being left behind and cut off from your group or having to rush through things and not playing consciously. You end up just spam killing everything to get items and the achievements and it kinda sucks at times.

    So Vet Levels is where you REALLY begin to learn how to play your character properly. It can be extremely frustrating until you find your groove, then it gets rather fun.

    After playing through all Vet, I am now playing my Alt and I hate the lower levels and the number of people there because it becomes a spam fest when you go against a boss and there is another player there and you want to ensure you get the reward. It sucks.
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  • R0M2K
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    Im a casual and completed Cadwell gold before nerfs, all legit solo to VR12...
    If i could everyone can, l2p.

  • Artemiisia
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    I have just for the fun of it, done some of the vr10 zone quests naked, thats how hard they nerfed vr zones :)

    Im not complaining though, im getting my hard game play from dungeons/trails, for me solo pve'ing is just fun and killing stuff. Well still hoping the bosses were hard though, they to easy now....
  • Springt-Über-Zwerge
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    L2p doesnt help anyone.

    Maybe you can post your build with a skillcalculator so we can see what class, race, weapons and skills you use and give some tips how you can do better. :)
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  • Kos
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    Yes I support creating a special version of ESO.
  • Phinix1
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    Plumbo wrote: »
    What is the joy of being able to play a game .. for me it is clear tasks in the game.
    ESO from lvl 0-50 is easy and you get rewards all the way up to building your charter.
    From veteran lvl 1blir it a bit difficult to play, but you can play well on the first veteran lvl.
    From veteran higher lvl it is almost impossible for a non-elite player like me to play- (2 enemies that's fine .. but 3 and up ..No way)
    What happens if you suffer /get kill all the way. yes, begin to speculate if there is a point to continue with the ESO .. I know that the idea behind the veteran level.. is groups .. but finding group is not always easy,, and everyone has a different way of play .. Some like to listen to all of the dialogue ,,others do not listen to all the dialogue..
    I like the game very well but have been unsure whether there is any point to continue .. B)

    They already nerfed veteran content to be about the same as 1-50 due to comments like this. I do not begrudge you your opinion, however I am not sure what they could do to satisfy this perspective short of nerfing veteran to be EASIER than 1-50 next.

    Try adapting a bit. Add some range skills. Do you use melee weapons? Try using a bow and opening with Snipe out of stealth. You can practically 1-shot caster/archer mobs to eliminate them from the group from the start.

    Magic user? Try slotting some crowd control. Sorcerers get an OP AOE root ability with an extremely long duration if morphed properly, and DK's get their talons.

    I really don't see the complaint about veteran difficulty now. As I said, the last nerf reduced damage and health of enemies by ~30% or more. That is 1/3 less difficulty, which is HUGE, and ZOS has said their goal was to bring difficulty down to the level of 1-50.

    I really hope they don't neuter the content anymore, otherwise there will be no point in playing at all.
    Edited by Phinix1 on August 3, 2014 9:51PM
  • orbenjcb14_ESO
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    For what it is worth I am in no way an experienced video game player at all, however, I have been able to solo the entire game, baring group dungeons, dolmens and world bosses (which generally require groups). I am playing as a DK and have taken the time to get every weapon to lvl 50, because the game became too easy using the cc the entire time, as well as using all of the bonuses related to fire based attacks from the class.

    That being said, I wish there was a group finding tool for general play, not just dungeons. I always found that group play was far more amusing, causing me to continue to play the game, I have completed all of the group dungeons, but I always join in when I see a group looking for members as it is quite fun. If you are having trouble, it could be your build, i found several combinations personally that looked like fun, but were ultimately ineffective, causing multiple re-specs. If you are really having trouble, look on google, there are countless terrific builds for each class, some of which have inspired me to create new characters just for the sake of playing these builds.
  • IceDread
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    Aw man they recently changed the game so that it's very easy now. A month ago or so in vr lvl, depending on what skills you were lvling up, if you had optimal setup or not, then it was difficult and lots of players were avoiding groups of 3.

    The game is not hard. All thou if you want to have it easier, go with restro and destro staff since that is optimal all else is just sub par. An of course use at least 5 pieces or light armor. Your class skills are based on it for damage and so are staff skills.
    Edited by IceDread on August 3, 2014 10:33PM
  • ExiledKhallisi
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    I completed both silver and gold (2nd and 3rd) factions before they nerfed it so bad hellen Keller could do it playing as the weakest class in the game (templar) are you joking? Vet content is a joke now.... I solo. World bosses and Dolemens....some players may not be "elite" players but damn man... just spend an. Hr doing some theory crafting and research on yourclass and build
    and you can beat any situation


    If they make it any easier there will be literally no challenge to the game.

    Maybe this MMO isn't for you.
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  • Anastasia
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    Sharee wrote: »
    You do not need to be an elite player to solo veteran content, more so now that it has been made much easier. You should ask for some tips for playing your class. All of them have some way to deal with multiple opponents. Sorcerer can use rune prison to take one out of the fight until you deal with other 2, nightblade can do the same with agony, etc.


    *Nods at Sharee. Sadly, for those players who do not frequent the forums or do searches, or even read Patch notes...they get to the Vet area and STILL are feeling like its too hard. And those who logically figure they would like to get a group find it odd that is not readily available either...

    Makes no sense to me since ZOS specifically said when they activated their 'just a tad' Vet content nerf that it was to have it be more in line with the same 'kind of leveling' that players experienced during the solo from cradle to level 50.

    0-o Apparently that is not the case.

    ****To the op: there are lots of great posts here around the forums to help with whatever build you may be using, as well as specific fights you might be having difficulty with. I encourage you to search around or ask here while giving folks more specifics with what you're having difficulty with. Good luck and good journeys Plumbo!



  • Melian
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    I'm not an elite player. I'm probably a pretty ordinary player in PvE, and kinda lousy in PvP. :lol:
    I thought the difficulty of veteran content was just right before the nerf (and actually, I don't see a huge difference now). Only anchors and bosses seem to require a group, and they should. Yes, you have to give some thought to your abilities and your strategy for fighting groups, but that's part of the fun.

    Maybe if you posted your build you could get some specific help.
  • GreySix
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    R0M2K wrote: »
    Im a casual and completed Cadwell gold before nerfs, all legit solo to VR12...
    If i could everyone can, l2p.

    Out of curiosity, what was your character's class?
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  • Slurg
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    GreySix wrote: »
    This is Elder Sorcerers Online.

    So get a dress and a stick, and face-roll everything without effort.

    Agree! After levelling my melee DK to vet 1 and dying plenty along the way, I finally rolled a dress and stick sorc to see what alll the fuss was about. I can play using only one hand now. I even walked away to feed the dog and came back to find my clannfear taking care of business for me. I totally get it now.

    I feel more of a sense of challenge when I die once in a while though.
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  • mlstevens42_ESO
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    I have completed Caldwell's Silver and Gold on three toons pretty much solo. Unless someone just dropped by usually alone. All of them different as in Sorc with resto and destro light armor, Nightblade med armor with duel and bow, Templar heavy armor sword and board with destro usually use the sword and board unless need ranged for some reason. So I do not think it is all that difficult. As you can see by the list I am not doing staffs for all so we can drop the on easy mode excuse. To be honest I use very little aoe even on the sorc which uses both staffs.

    I do not think vr content needs to be nerfed further. Most classes or weapons have something you can do to take one of your enemies down and out at least for a time to give you time to take out other enemies.

    I do not see that there is any huge advantage to being vr 12. Yes you can wear top gear and so on but your stats stay the same as they were at lvl 50. If I had run into trouble at some point and my gear was useless I did about the same as if it was at full repair. The only real difference is how many skill points you have available to make your builds with.

    I think you may need to tweak your build add some aoe or cc skills to help you as well as have a healing ability slotted on one of your bars. Again if all else fails grab a buddy.
  • Cody
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    I don't understand the face you made at the end. what does that mean?
  • R0M2K
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    GreySix wrote: »
    R0M2K wrote: »
    Im a casual and completed Cadwell gold before nerfs, all legit solo to VR12...
    If i could everyone can, l2p.

    Out of curiosity, what was your character's class?

    NB, dw/dw 7/7 medium armor back when i completed PvE content.

    Im dw/bow 7/7 medium now for PvP.
  • fromtesonlineb16_ESO
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    R0M2K wrote: »
    Im a casual and completed Cadwell gold before nerfs, all legit solo to VR12...
    Given VR10 to VR12 is Craglorn group content, I wonder how you soloed it.

  • Springt-Über-Zwerge
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    R0M2K wrote: »
    Im a casual and completed Cadwell gold before nerfs, all legit solo to VR12...
    Given VR10 to VR12 is Craglorn group content, I wonder how you soloed it.

    I reached vet 12 halfway through vet 10 area. I think this came from doing all dolmen, dungeons, quests, world bosses and veteran dungeons plus some pvp. I just went to craglorn to trade some stuff i was not able to get somewhere else.
    So its pretty easy to reach vet 12 without craglorn :)
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  • Nebthet78
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    You can get halfway through Vet 11 (if not further) by just doing every quest and ever dungeon, including public and group ones. (I know I missed a couple and have to go back to complete them)
    Then all you have to do is pick up the easy stuff in Craglorn, which some players have actually stated can be solo'd easier than Vet content.

    I solo'd 95% of Caldwell's Silver and Gold. Only grouped with other players to take out WBs, Dolmens, and the Public and Group dungeons (and two quests where the bosses were stupid hard in The Rift). Everything else I did on my own.
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  • TehMagnus
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    Even with underpowered 2H sword build I managed to take on 3 mobs before nerf of VR content, maybe it has nothing to do with being "elite" but with skill?
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