The Elder Bat Swarm Online

Chubbaz · August 2014

Before I start off I just wish to say this is not a 'QQ' thread or even a 'L2P' issue it's more of a thought-throwing thread.

So whenever I enter Cyrodil and the battle is under way it seems to me that everyone and their grandmother likes to spam Bat Swarm or Shards, that crap needs to be nerfed. Now I was wondering, is there anybody out there WHO IS NOT playing a freaking Sorceror/pure Magicka build? I'm aware of the advantages of said build but is there an actual point in playing a melee class when the 'Loincloth + Stick' class can do EVERY role better?

Wanna tank? Oh sure, go naked with a staff you can actually hold mobs better than a guy in full Heavy armor and a shield!

Wanna' DPS? No problem! Every single one of your skills can melt someone's face off with how stupid the crit system is.

And whoever said NB's need buffs is clearly on drugs or not right in the head. Stunning and tearing a guy in HEAVY ARMOR apart in PvP within 6 seconds is not a cause for buffs and it is certainly not balanced, don't even get me started on Templars.

Please Zeni, give us DK's some love, we're strugglin' over here man.

YakoTaki · August 2014

You can not tell people how to play.In addition to your head, the rest of the body is fine?

Chubbaz · August 2014

YakoTaki wrote: »

You can not tell people how to play.In addition to your head, the rest of the body is fine?

I'm not telling anyone how to play, if you ACTUALLY read my post I was asking questions.

Also, the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Fi'yra · August 2014

Dragon Knights are already OP enough, I mean..
A dragon knight with a Sword&Board is nearly unstoppable in the right hands..

You're from Auriel's Bow..
You've seen most AD right?
Well most of the top tier PvP'er there are actually mostly Dragonknight..
Literally nearly every player with the rank above Captain is a Dragonknight

Enkil · August 2014

Chubbaz wrote: »

Please Zeni, give us DK's some love, we're strugglin' over here man.

Please Zeni, give us DK's Melee/Stamina/Heavy some love, we're strugglin' over here man.

Fixed it..

Liquid_Time · August 2014

Umm.. seriously?
One of the few classes that can 1v5 with little effort and you are asking for buffs?

Lets just say you are "underpowered" and you do require additional assistance with your class skills..

What kind of love are you looking for.. seriously provide some information on what you want adjusted with your class?

It is hard to take a thread seriously such as this one when there is nothing intelligent in the OP to begin with. All I see is nerf everything that has killed me recently and make the class I chose better while you are at it..

zScars · August 2014

everyone is going batswarm cus of my ownage video

Chubbaz · August 2014

Liquid_Time wrote: »

Umm.. seriously?
One of the few classes that can 1v5 with little effort and you are asking for buffs?

Lets just say you are "underpowered" and you do require additional assistance with your class skills..

What kind of love are you looking for.. seriously provide some information on what you want adjusted with your class?

It is hard to take a thread seriously such as this one when there is nothing intelligent in the OP to begin with. All I see is nerf everything that has killed me recently and make the class I chose better while you are at it..

While I do agree with you that my OP should have been more fleshed out, I can't help but take your response with a grain of salt seeing as you're using 2/3 of the combinations that needs a tweak.

What I meant to say was that melee classes, such as those DK's that didn't jump on the "OH EM GEE MAGICKA BUILD GO GO" train (Those that chose Stamina) should not be gimped for choosing so. You can't really "Play the game your way" when you're penalized for being different than the rest of the sheep.

Pixysticks · August 2014

Chubbaz wrote: »

Before I start off I just wish to say this is not a 'QQ' thread or even a 'L2P' issue it's more of a thought-throwing thread.

Please Zeni, give us DK's some love, we're strugglin' over here man.

I just want to say how impressed I am with this thread.

Best troll 2014' in my humble opinion.

Durham · August 2014

Have not really had an issue with Bat Swarm lately I just roll out of it ... The problem you have is when you have 2 or 3 people together moving with it then you in trouble lol .....

Columba · August 2014

every easymode scrub and their relatives play this bs build. I agree.

kewl · August 2014

In every MMO you will find builds that are stronger than others.
In every MMO you will find swings in balance that lead to flavor of the month builds.
In every MMO you will find people who learn to counteract stronger builds.

Your points about class balance are valid. But you and the community will be better served by discussions like:

How to stop Bat Swarm?
Can you block Soul Strike?
Suggestions to improve Tank builds
Is there a way to counteract crit builds?

Liquid_Time · August 2014

Chubbaz wrote: »

Liquid_Time wrote: »

Umm.. seriously?
One of the few classes that can 1v5 with little effort and you are asking for buffs?

Lets just say you are "underpowered" and you do require additional assistance with your class skills..

What kind of love are you looking for.. seriously provide some information on what you want adjusted with your class?

It is hard to take a thread seriously such as this one when there is nothing intelligent in the OP to begin with. All I see is nerf everything that has killed me recently and make the class I chose better while you are at it..

While I do agree with you that my OP should have been more fleshed out, I can't help but take your response with a grain of salt seeing as you're using 2/3 of the combinations that needs a tweak.

What I meant to say was that melee classes, such as those DK's that didn't jump on the "OH EM GEE MAGICKA BUILD GO GO" train (Those that chose Stamina) should not be gimped for choosing so. You can't really "Play the game your way" when you're penalized for being different than the rest of the sheep.

Can you post your build please? I am sure there are others that would be happy to assist you in getting the most out of what you have chosen.. I think that is a much more productive approach then asking for nerfs simply because your build of choice is not able to hold it's own.

Yes the Bat Swarm spam is an issue, but I am pretty sure it requires emperor passives and ULT reduction items.. Which neither of those I have, so please do not make assumptions regarding my build when you have no idea.

Cody · August 2014

DKs need buffs?.....
have you ever fought a sword and board DK? and I mean "good" ones? they are almost unstoppable. They can block full circle around themselves. if they combine talons with banner, and use dragon blood and reflective scales right..... you almost can't kill them. It will take almost 10 players just to kill that one DK. I am not exaggerating. it will actually take nearly 10 players just to kill that one DK, UNLESS that DK lets their shield down, and gets knocked down by someone. I am a NB archer. I CANNOT kill them. If they decide to use reflective scales im ***. I definitely wont be killing them then. DKs don't need "love" right now. sorry to tell you, but they don't. In the one contested campaign, all of the emperors the last few months, have been DKs. There are obvious reasons for that. there are obvious reasons why a DK emp can take on entire groups by themselves. DKs sure as heck don't need any buffs. I wont argue about nerfs, that is for another thread. but they sure as heck don't need ANY buffs.

Cody · August 2014

now, to talk about the main part of the thread. none of the skills you dislike need to be nerfed in my opinion. crystal frags can be blocked/ interrupted, batswarm can be evaded..... heck even soul strike is not really hard to deal with. it too can be interrupted.

rackman · August 2014

Really look at the people who play mages VS DK
BEN bite me

rackman · August 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

DKs need buffs?.....
have you ever fought a sword and board DK? and I mean "good" ones? they are almost unstoppable. They can block full circle around themselves. if they combine talons with banner, and use dragon blood and reflective scales right..... you almost can't kill them. It will take almost 10 players just to kill that one DK. I am not exaggerating. it will actually take nearly 10 players just to kill that one DK, UNLESS that DK lets their shield down, and gets knocked down by someone. I am a NB archer. I CANNOT kill them. If they decide to use reflective scales im ***. I definitely wont be killing them then. DKs don't need "love" right now. sorry to tell you, but they don't. In the one contested campaign, all of the emperors the last few months, have been DKs. There are obvious reasons for that. there are obvious reasons why a DK emp can take on entire groups by themselves. DKs sure as heck don't need any buffs. I wont argue about nerfs, that is for another thread. but they sure as heck don't need ANY buffs.

I think you are so biased that you should be banned from an opinion

rackman · August 2014

BenS1337 wrote: »

Dragon Knights are already OP enough, I mean..
A dragon knight with a Sword&Board is nearly unstoppable in the right hands..

You're from Auriel's Bow..
You've seen most AD right?
Well most of the top tier PvP'er there are actually mostly Dragonknight..
Literally nearly every player with the rank above Captain is a Dragonknight

Ben you want to keep sorceror OP
and you should be slapped

kewl · August 2014

rackman wrote: »

Ben you want to keep sorceror OP
and you should be slapped

rackman wrote: »

I think you are so biased that you should be banned from an opinion

rackman wrote: »

Really look at the people who play mages VS DK
BEN bite me

New to the game and already spewing venom? #winning

Liquid_Time · August 2014

kewl wrote: »

rackman wrote: »

Ben you want to keep sorceror OP
and you should be slapped

rackman wrote: »

I think you are so biased that you should be banned from an opinion

rackman wrote: »

Really look at the people who play mages VS DK
BEN bite me

New to the game and already spewing venom? #winning

Yea.. that was a lot of hate is a short amount of time.
Edit: Regarding who you quoted and not you ^^

Tintinabula · August 2014

Buff DKs please I'm so tired of being underpowered

Better yet give us Nightblade and sorc abilities and let us look like a bush while all of our skills have no visible animation.

Teargrants · August 2014

Gimme hedge clippers and we've got a deal.

Xsorus · August 2014

I seem to do alright in PvP with full Medium Stamina DK

Prospero_ESO · August 2014

It´s not only bat swarm, the whole vampire trait line is way out of control for a long time zenimax just don´t give a flying *** or they don´t have a *** clue. Take bat swarm, regens, faster stealth movement etc. etc. etc. I would be OK if the trait line is strong if there would be a real risk in going out as a vamp, but to be honest, the weakness to fire is simply laughable and easy to counter. And synergies with gear just like ultimate, skill cost reduction etc. makes it even worse. The trait line is simply to good not to take it and makes pvp in eso even more ridiculously easy than it is already.

Avidus · August 2014

In regards to being a full magicka Sorc with CS.
Ive experimented with CS a little bit, and the typical build you find most Sorcs using is so easy to counter is it not funny.

Get your damage out because they are glass cannons.
Ive actually altered my build to increase my survivability. To make up for it.

Also blocking wrecks CS users.

At the same time Shield Charges wrecks me something fierce.

DisgracefulMind · August 2014

You know DKs can reflect crystal frags, right? Lol, there's been quite a few times where I'm not sure where I'm tossing one and it comes back and slaps me in the face xD

DisgracefulMind · August 2014

rackman wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

DKs need buffs?.....
have you ever fought a sword and board DK? and I mean "good" ones? they are almost unstoppable. They can block full circle around themselves. if they combine talons with banner, and use dragon blood and reflective scales right..... you almost can't kill them. It will take almost 10 players just to kill that one DK. I am not exaggerating. it will actually take nearly 10 players just to kill that one DK, UNLESS that DK lets their shield down, and gets knocked down by someone. I am a NB archer. I CANNOT kill them. If they decide to use reflective scales im ***. I definitely wont be killing them then. DKs don't need "love" right now. sorry to tell you, but they don't. In the one contested campaign, all of the emperors the last few months, have been DKs. There are obvious reasons for that. there are obvious reasons why a DK emp can take on entire groups by themselves. DKs sure as heck don't need any buffs. I wont argue about nerfs, that is for another thread. but they sure as heck don't need ANY buffs.

I think you are so biased that you should be banned from an opinion

Well, I'd have to agree with Nooky on a few points. My mara is a sword and board DK, though sometimes he goes full battlemage. Anways, he wears all light armor, sword and boards, and can literally WIPE 6-10 people lol. He stays alive quite long. Thing is, it's the really skilled ones that can do this. I've seen NBs take him down in a matter of seconds if he doesn't catch them in time, so he's not immortal or anything, but I think DKs are just fine how they are, and are challenging to work around if they're good.

BUT I don't think they need to be nerfed. Not at all. If you know how, you can take one out efficiently, but that's the experience and learning YOU need to obtain.

I'd also like to note that I've seen NBs take out 2-3 people, sometimes more, before they die, so I'd say they're pretty freaking strong too. As a sorcerer, I'm strong as well, but I'm more of a glass cannon, so if I don't kill fast enough, I'm done for lol. Pact armor helps with this though.

You know what class is REALLY a pain in the ass though? Templars. Those annoying hellions stay alive really, really long, and I have to go all out insane DPS on them. :P

Skwor · August 2014

I play a Templar and am forced to LOL at this thread. Come play a Templar full time if you want to know what pain feels like.

That being said I do believe the vamp line is a little much and needs toning down or more penalties for being a vamp need to be introduced, perhaps reduced Health or serious daytime drawbacks? , you know like what a vamp is supposed to have? I would like to see all vampires suffer a real % Health reduction during daytime hours.

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

rackman wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

DKs need buffs?.....
have you ever fought a sword and board DK? and I mean "good" ones? they are almost unstoppable. They can block full circle around themselves. if they combine talons with banner, and use dragon blood and reflective scales right..... you almost can't kill them. It will take almost 10 players just to kill that one DK. I am not exaggerating. it will actually take nearly 10 players just to kill that one DK, UNLESS that DK lets their shield down, and gets knocked down by someone. I am a NB archer. I CANNOT kill them. If they decide to use reflective scales im ***. I definitely wont be killing them then. DKs don't need "love" right now. sorry to tell you, but they don't. In the one contested campaign, all of the emperors the last few months, have been DKs. There are obvious reasons for that. there are obvious reasons why a DK emp can take on entire groups by themselves. DKs sure as heck don't need any buffs. I wont argue about nerfs, that is for another thread. but they sure as heck don't need ANY buffs.

I think you are so biased that you should be banned from an opinion

Well, I'd have to agree with Nooky on a few points. My mara is a sword and board DK, though sometimes he goes full battlemage. Anways, he wears all light armor, sword and boards, and can literally WIPE 6-10 people lol. He stays alive quite long. Thing is, it's the really skilled ones that can do this. I've seen NBs take him down in a matter of seconds if he doesn't catch them in time, so he's not immortal or anything, but I think DKs are just fine how they are, and are challenging to work around if they're good.

BUT I don't think they need to be nerfed. Not at all. If you know how, you can take one out efficiently, but that's the experience and learning YOU need to obtain.

I'd also like to note that I've seen NBs take out 2-3 people, sometimes more, before they die, so I'd say they're pretty freaking strong too. As a sorcerer, I'm strong as well, but I'm more of a glass cannon, so if I don't kill fast enough, I'm done for lol. Pact armor helps with this though.

You know what class is REALLY a pain in the ass though? Templars. Those annoying hellions stay alive really, really long, and I have to go all out insane DPS on them. :P

Ya we can stay alive but can't do jack for DPS, strange thing though is DKs can stay alive just as well and still get to do way more DPS

ItsRejectz · August 2014

How can people complain about shards. It has a cast that can easily be interrupted, a projectile that can easily be dodged or blocked and has a lower dps than people spamming crushing! Sorry but shards is no way near OP, especially with its cast time.
Bat swarm needs it's cost increased to around 250 and it will be fine

Skwor · August 2014

ItsRejectz wrote: »

How can people complain about shards. It has a cast that can easily be interrupted, a projectile that can easily be dodged or blocked and has a lower dps than people spamming crushing! Sorry but shards is no way near OP, especially with its cast time.
Bat swarm needs it's cost increased to around 250 and it will be fine

I think the problem is in the zerg battles all I see is shards spam and batswarms and we all know in the zergfests (typical pvp in cyrodil) there is very little tactical play.

Nala_ · August 2014

skwornub18_ESO wrote: »

I think the problem is in the zerg battles all I see is shards spam and batswarms and we all know in the zergfests (typical pvp in cyrodil) there is very little tactical play.

10/10