I like this idea... Maybe start at a 10% reduction per stamina ability slotted.

Kronosphere wrote: »

what if and im just throwing this out there. you could still use stam abilities with 0 stamina BUT everything about them was reduced by 60-90%. including range, damage, stun durations (that or cc never works while doing this), etc?

cos magicka builds get that ability too.

The combat ones of blocking and roll dodge yes.

Sprinting, Jumping, and Sneaking I'm not sure as you can just wait to restore your pool and only maybe nightblade should be sneaking once combat starts, meaning it shouldn't be a drain on your stamina pool.

No. The idea of building your class is purely based on stacking. "The concept of balancing" is purely a imaginary concept. Everyone has their own ideal of balanced and consensual balance where everyone agrees will never happen. Instead I believe the game was better when you could make very powerful builds based off of stacking various abilities. If someone is more powerful that just means they did the math better then you.
It doesn't mean they are OP.

Tannakaobi wrote: »

19 votes to obliterate the Elder Scrolls system that they have used forever, just like that.

Why not do away with stamina and magic and just have one resource pool for everything.

Only thing is the melee combat system in TESO is so different from the melee system of the last three TES games, that keeping just this part unchanged just for the sake of tradition may not make much sense. You never had the need to spam instant push button melee abilities in any TES game. It was only about Light attack , heavy attack,block and an occasional special move which wasn't that difficult to balance with only one resource, especially in a single player game.

PBpsy wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

19 votes to obliterate the Elder Scrolls system that they have used forever, just like that.

Why not do away with stamina and magic and just have one resource pool for everything.

Only thing is the melee combat system in TESO is so different from the melee system of the last three TES games, that keeping just this part unchanged just for the sake of tradition may not make much sense. You never had the need to spam instant push button melee abilities in any TES game. It was only about Light attack , heavy attack,block and an occasional special move which wasn't that difficult to balance with only one resource, especially in a single player game.

I don't see the problem myself. And it's not all that different from other TES games. My main is a NB single target DW/Bow.

If you run out of stamina too quick, but have too much magic then you should consider swapping some skills over and this works both ways.

If you are running out of both too quickly then you are under using attack and heavy attack or have poorly selected your skills.

StormbrookThunderb wrote: »

No. The idea of building your class is purely based on stacking. "The concept of balancing" is purely a imaginary concept. Everyone has their own ideal of balanced and consensual balance where everyone agrees will never happen. Instead I believe the game was better when you could make very powerful builds based off of stacking various abilities. If someone is more powerful that just means they did the math better then you.
It doesn't mean they are OP.

I the game was balanced properly it would be impossible for any build to be overpowered

None of these options help the issue that is apparent in the game. This only stops a symptom of a bigger problem that currently no one can find a solution too without repercussions. The main problem is stamina builds are hurting, not that you do not have enough cc breaks. If you are magika based you have just enough breaks to win a fight with a little bit of skill, also keep in mind If they spam cc they are the ones that are paying the cost! the more they spam the cc without you breaking out of it the more you are gaining a lead if you can sustain through it. In a Duel this is a huge killer to in-experienced dragonknights.


Here is some of the common ones.

Adding another bar:
Adding another bar breaks one of the core mechanics of the game, resource management, by adding another bar you are destroying this mechanic that makes the game flow.

Having a skill to swap bars usage bars:

One suggestion was that we have a skill to swap what uses a resource to break the cc. Having the most efficient resource in the game being used to break cc might be a bad idea. Right now in a lot of cases magika is more valuable than stamina in our current system.

There is a counter argument to this! What if the swap on cc break was a percent on magika bars instead of a flat amount? It might fix the efficiency problem.

reducing cost:
Along with the arena set in the game,,,,, VERY BAD IDEA.
That would be insanely abuse-able if someone could break cc at next to no cost. On top of this the problem is also that it gets rid of part of the resource management aspect of the game. Any set, or setup that does that is quite powerful in the game if you have not noticed. (looking at the 37/36% cost reduction sorcs and templars.)

These are only criticisms to move ideas forward and to open eyes on some possible problems.

rotiferuk wrote: »

I have played Morrowind. Oblivion and Skyrim. I have never had issues with the Magicka, Stamina, Health resource system. I suggest those players having issues should L2P

You do realize there are major differences between those games and this one, right?

k9mouse wrote: »

The resources use is like standard TES games -- no need to change it.

Kinda' comparing apples and oranges, single player vs. MMO. There is clearly an issue with stamina builds in ESO.

Just for the record, I'm really enjoying my stamina focused DK. But my magicka based Sorc just blows PvE content away. Also, in PvP that Sorc has lot's more freedom to CC, stealth, etc.

Tannakaobi wrote: »

19 votes to obliterate the Elder Scrolls system that they have used forever, just like that.

Why not do away with stamina and magic and just have one resource pool for everything.

I would be totally for the the blue bar being Action Points and the green bar being Utility Points. Blue for ALL skills, green for sprint, dodge, block, etc.

Personally Im much more interested in getting this thing balanced than keeping a broken mechanic for some sort of sentimental reasons. Theyve changed so much already but the thing that wrecks balance at the very core, they kept.

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

19 votes to obliterate the Elder Scrolls system that they have used forever, just like that.

Why not do away with stamina and magic and just have one resource pool for everything.

I would be totally for the the blue bar being Action Points and the green bar being Utility Points. Blue for ALL skills, green for sprint, dodge, block, etc.

Personally Im much more interested in getting this thing balanced than keeping a broken mechanic for some sort of sentimental reasons. Theyve changed so much already but the thing that wrecks balance at the very core, they kept.

Adding a fourth resource would change nothing (you would still need points in it, where are they going to come from?), changing the resource names would add nothing. Their is a slight imbalance when it comes to magic over stamina. Which they have acknowledged and are working on.

Thinking they can just change things round and wave a magic wand and everything will be OK is idiotic.

The resource system is fine and a breath of fresh air from the usual timers and cool-downs of other mmo's. If you don't like it then move on because they are not about to change the one mechanic that the game is built around.

Too much is reliant on stamina for stamina builds to be sustainable or reliable

Mountain_Dewed wrote: »

What is dodge rolling and how do you use it?

If you are being serious you double tap any direction key and roll that direction. It uses stamina but gets you out of certain attacks.

Stamina is for physical movement, so I vote no, but as stated previously
stamina builds are broken, and need to be fixed.