Nerf Bat Swarm

ThisOnePosts · July 2014

It's already been nerfed. Learn 2 Play. The vamps get bombarded with fire, remove extra fire damage and then they can nerf batswarm. In fact, vamps should be doing a ton of damage when feeding on other players, but that is nerfed right from the start (meaning, they never even gave it that chance).

There is a counter for everything in the game. How come I don't have a problem vs batswarm whether I'm on my Vamp, WW, or regular character in Cyrodiil? You hear bats? MOVE. Might as well nerf a ton of Ulti's if they nerf Batswarm, we can go down the list if you'd like.

The nerfs have gone far enough, people who can't figure out how to counter things in the game should not be playing PVP yet unless you don't mind learning the hard way.

Halrloprillalar · July 2014

Honestly it's only a problem when half a raid uses it at once... oh wait but so is impulse, steel tornado and all the other aoe in the game... and aoe caps making the user clump protected.

The above is the main reason why you see people trying to turtle chokepoints with oil (which has no aoe cap).... shocking development? And then people complain about oil.

I want to see this game get a little more creative.

Seriously.

Neferath · July 2014

sirjohndeluxeb16_ESO wrote: »

clouding swarm definitely needs some rebalance.
just have a look at your campaign leaderboard, at auriel's bow all 3 potential emperor's are playing with clouding swarm as their main ultimate.

honest question: has there ever been a non-vampire emperor at auriel's bow?

Best post ever .... so actually right the time you have 2 or 3 players at the leaderboard who are using the same skill (no matter wich one) you'll have to nerf it. This of course clearly makes sense ... at least till someone reaches these ranking positions who is using a skill which you are using too i assume ...

dcincali · July 2014

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

1- rollout of the swarm
2- sealth and wait for mist to end
3- nuke

1. better roll twice (if you have enough stamina...)
2. stealth won't work
3. if you play a setup that can nuke

Shows how little you know about the game. Sorc vamps = streak, streak, bats, streak, streak, bats, streak, streak, bats, win.

Halrloprillalar · July 2014

dcincali wrote: »

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

1- rollout of the swarm
2- sealth and wait for mist to end
3- nuke

1. better roll twice (if you have enough stamina...)
2. stealth won't work
3. if you play a setup that can nuke

Shows how little you know about the game. Sorc vamps = streak, streak, bats, streak, streak, bats, streak, streak, bats, win.

Not quite. The amount of people required for this cannot be killed with a single person's batswarm anyway. It's more of a troll strat for clumping bads.

If you actually want to kill the zerg, several people either manning siege or dropping ults at the same time are required.

ThyIronFist · July 2014

dcincali wrote: »

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

1- rollout of the swarm
2- sealth and wait for mist to end
3- nuke

1. better roll twice (if you have enough stamina...)
2. stealth won't work
3. if you play a setup that can nuke

Shows how little you know about the game. Sorc vamps = streak, streak, bats, streak, streak, bats, streak, streak, bats, win.

Don't forget the pro impulse spam.

OrangeTheCat · July 2014

Samadhi wrote: »

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

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Personally, I think it would be best to take out vamp and werewolf abilities completely from PvP. PvE I couldn't care less.

I agree, Werewolf is far too powerful in PvP and should be removed and limited to PvE.
This would inhibit the extreme amount of Werewolfs currently running around in Cyrodiil.
They definitely need to be taken out of PvP to prevent their OP Werewolf powers from being OP.

Wait. WW are now OP? I thought it was vamps that were OP and so were nerfed.

It's difficult keeping up with the OP-of-the-month crowd.

Oh, sarcasm, right.

RadioheadSh0t · July 2014

The thing about Swarm that needs to be changed is that you can still cast abilities with it. If you're using bat swarm, you shouldn't be able to use other abilities.

kijima · July 2014

zScars wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjFRHjGDDHM

bats ok.

Derp...

Etaniel · July 2014

sirjohndeluxeb16_ESO wrote: »

honest question: has there ever been a non-vampire emperor at auriel's bow?

I believe Seitan in the first campaign wasn't a vampire. He actually deserved his emperor status, way more than those we have today in my opinion. (I play in DC btw)

JackDaniell · July 2014

A well built soul assault can hit upwards of 7k

A well built bat swarm can hit just under 3k (single target)

A well built player can do these things, a poorly built player cannot.

I think we should nerf good builds.

dsalter · July 2014

JackDaniell wrote: »

A well built soul assault can hit upwards of 7k
A well built bat swarm can hit just under 3k (single target)

A well built player can do these things, a poorly built player cannot.

I think we should nerf good builds.

a well built soul assault will hit upto 7k on a single target.
a well built bat spam will hit over 12k vs 6 targets.
soul assault can be inturrupted, hidden from, etc, bats makes you invisible, moves and allows you to mash other buttons.

Rylana · July 2014

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

The other day i came across a sorc vamp, Cloud mist > Invisible streak > Cloud Mist > Bat Swarm .... couldn't see them and bats hit me for 1500 plus the streaks for 400. Needless to say it didn't last long lol

I am 100 percent sure I know who that was, too. Well if it was a certain AD player >______>

Not me. But someone I know XD

Anomaly 2 · August 2014

Nerf vamps more? I'm not a vamp, I tried it at one point after they got nerfed and realized it wasnt worth being no matter how much I wanted to play as one. All because --> DK <-- vamps were OP the skill line got messed up for everyone else ... and they still make the best vamps lol. The abilities are fine but the debuffs you get are harsh and way to much to deal with. But I guess before Zenni worries about that they really need to fix WW because thats been completely unplayable. I guess my point is you need more awareness in game if this is a issue. I could jump straight into zergs with bolt escape and hit bats off and the zerg would split away from me or target me down so far that I was dead before I could deal to much damage. Ults are suppose to be strong and feel that way. As a sorc when I lay down my Atronarch they way it can move and split a group apart is insane, I've used to hold back 40+ players while my own group reformed together.

murtugo · August 2014

You should also consider that vamps sacrifice their health regen and fire vulnerability to get their skills.

Honfold · August 2014

Do not nerf vamps anymore. The increased fire damage and crippled health regeneration is a fair trade off. Plus the whole silver shards thing

. However, I think people are downplaying the strength of Bat swarm. It is not so easy to get out of when the caster also uses mist form. Unable to run or roll fast enough. Just had one hit me for 2000 damage while I was running away. I don't want it nerfed, but it is not weak or easily evaded.

Braidas · August 2014

Honfold wrote: »

Do not nerf vamps anymore. The increased fire damage and crippled health regeneration is a fair trade off. Plus the whole silver shards thing . However, I think people are downplaying the strength of Bat swarm. It is not so easy to get out of when the caster also uses mist form. Unable to run or roll fast enough. Just had one hit me for 2000 damage while I was running away. I don't want it nerfed, but it is not weak or easily evaded.

exactly, its a good skill, and requires some bit of thinking to get around it.the fighters guild skill line is ur friend against vamps. seems a lot of the complaining comes from emps using it, which is an entirely different discussion and not a problem w/ bat swarm itself.

Tintinabula · August 2014

Ive got the skill. I use it..I can batswarm ..hit invasion into the middle of a group knock someone down..unstable flame them and a whole lot more with out them being able to single target me for 6 seconds.

I think it's OP..that's just me though.(the real trick is escaping :P )

Columba · August 2014

ban people exploiting this skill in the way that lets them spam 2500 hit shots from it. losers

heng14rwb17_ESO · August 2014

Impulse the bar plz

WraithAzraiel · August 2014

They already nerfed it once - didn't solve the problem - hmmmmmmm so maybe the problem isn't the skill...just a thought. People have those once in a while right? Thoughts, that is.

AllPlayAndNoWork · August 2014

Samadhi wrote: »

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

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Personally, I think it would be best to take out vamp and werewolf abilities completely from PvP. PvE I couldn't care less.

I agree, Werewolf is far too powerful in PvP and should be removed and limited to PvE.
This would inhibit the extreme amount of Werewolfs currently running around in Cyrodiil.
They definitely need to be taken out of PvP to prevent their OP Werewolf powers from being OP.

Werewolf is a stamina based build and is still weak compared to magika builds. Silver bolts will put both on their respective asses. There are plenty of ways to beat them. Neither are too powerful at all.

LOL nerf this nerf that, learn to play better IMO and stop whining when you get your ass handed to you.

Garion · August 2014

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

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Personally, I think it would be best to take out vamp and werewolf abilities completely from PvP. PvE I couldn't care less.

I agree, Werewolf is far too powerful in PvP and should be removed and limited to PvE.
This would inhibit the extreme amount of Werewolfs currently running around in Cyrodiil.
They definitely need to be taken out of PvP to prevent their OP Werewolf powers from being OP.

Werewolf is a stamina based build and is still weak compared to magika builds. Silver bolts will put both on their respective asses. There are plenty of ways to beat them. Neither are too powerful at all.

LOL nerf this nerf that, learn to play better IMO and stop whining when you get your ass handed to you.

@AllPlayAndNoWork I think @Samadhi was being sarcastic

OtarTheMad · August 2014

As much as I hate Bat Swarm it shouldn't be nerfed again.

krim · August 2014

Jaxom · August 2014

krim wrote: »

Batman is OP. Mistform = Batcycle?

Morticielle · August 2014

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Bat Swarm deals - compared to other ultimates - more damage for less cost. What it makes it so dangerous is that one barely notices it in crowded situations, there is no clear indicator.

Well, for persons who grew up in Las Vegas the bat swarm animation might actually be to subtle, but for people with normal senses it's not that difficult to see and to evade the bat swarm, provided they have a reaction time under a minute.

Gilvoth · August 2014

theres nothing wrong with bat swarm ultimate. just get out of the way if you see it happening and youll be fine.

Zooce · August 2014

It would be fine if you could target them, but forcing everyone to go AOE only against them makes it a little OP.

Gilvoth · August 2014

theres a couple things that should be immediate reaction and noted here.

1) bat swarm only hits you for 100 or so damage per second so truthfully you can escape by just getting out of the way because its not immediate death. if you just stand there and let the bats hit you then, yes in a about 20 seconds youll die. so basicly just get out of the swarm path. not hard to do.

2) if you insist on standing in the batswarm and cant or wont move, then just "block" yes it will take you health away but you will not die if you use block.