Ignored & Excluded by Elitist Role players.

Thechemicals · August 2014

Ive been part of elitist raid guilds and pvp guilds but neither have ever treated me with such disrespect as the role players I encountered on Daggerfall a few nights ago. I thought you Rper's were cool and casual and had fun but man was I wrong. I was so messed up by the whole incident that I have zero desire to ever attempt roleplaying ingame again.

So I ended up at this tavern in some town I cant remember to get I don't know what and found about 9 players inside mingling with npcs and talking very formally and rp-like. I listened in for a bit while leaning back against a wall *emote. They were talking about alchohol and playing drinking games and this.....made me excited to want to join! So I googled "how to roleplay in videogames" and did a quick crash course read-up, then back to game and waited for a good opportunity to get into the action. There was no action! They acted like I was invisible, I got more play from an npc encounter I swear!

I approached the group playing drinking games first (they were split into 2 groups) and said "mind if I join in? I just arrived from a grueling experience and could use a drink with some friendly faces". .....no answer....2,3,4,5 minutes pass. So respectfully I accepted that they may be deeply involved in their....drinking game rp so I go over to the bar where the other group is any say hello to 2 females having fun rping. So im thinking, hey alchohol, fun women, lets do this......2,3,4,5 minutes later still ignored. Then I realized the terrible truth....they all ignore listed me!

Yeah, that's my rp experience in eso. No pm from them saying "hey we are doing our own thing but if you are interested heres our website" OR..... "hey sorry but this is an exclusive event" OR EVEN.... "hey we just don't [snip] like redguards so [snip] here please". Nope...none of that. Instead I was talking in a room full of people that didn't even give me a chance to play with them. How do I know they all ignore listed me? Because I messaged every single one and it didn't let me.

And do I care that I dropped a Nova Ultimate on their faces on my way out? No, little rp elitist, I didn't really-really want to play with them anyway. : *(

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

CheesyDaedra · August 2014

Yeah people are jerks

Counter jerk them by griefing their experience.

DieAlteHexe · August 2014

DaedricCheese wrote: »

Yeah people are jerks

Counter jerk them by griefing their experience.

Well that'll sure help matters.

CheesyDaedra · August 2014

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

DaedricCheese wrote: »

Yeah people are jerks

Counter jerk them by griefing their experience.

Well that'll sure help matters.

You said it c:

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

Let's please rein in our use of the word "griefing," to describe petty disturbances. My dropping a visual effect around you that will go away in a few seconds is not griefing. It may be briefly annoying (much like a gang of terrible RPers using bad pseudo-Shakespearean speech in the local tavern is), but it's not griefing.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

Yea I would have started trolling them by using /hammerlow, /bucketsplash etc on them and just jumping around.

However, it seems odd that they all ignored you. (and the comment about girls and drinking is a little off, maybe I am misconstruing what you tried to rp there.) I wonder if we are get a full account of the story...

Thechemicals · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Yea I would have started trolling them by using /hammerlow, /bucketsplash etc on them and just jumping around.

However, it seems odd that they all ignored you. (and the comment about girls and drinking is a little off, maybe I am misconstruing what you tried to rp there.) I wonder if we are get a full account of the story...

Yes their were 2 girls at the bar drinking and talking about how much they like to drink and chugging hard alcohol. I walked over (even was in walking mode) and stood next to them and simply said "hi". Later....like 5 minutes later I said "You ladies seem like my kinda drinking partners could I join you"? I was not crass or rude in any way to them.

Azzuria · August 2014

I had a similar experience with a scheduled Dominion RP event.

I stroll into the Bosmer tavern, and, being Bosmer myself, proceed to make myself at home. Walk up to the innkeeper, engage in some /e and /say conversation, issue a few /emotes and cast my gaze around the room, noting the folks that seemed more out of place. An Orc. An Orc! In MY Valenwood!!

I stroll up to said corrupted Mer and try to engage in some 'friendly' conversation only to watch the whole group /s how it was 'crowded' and they needed to go outside.

What the hell?

Not one reaction, not one interaction... and this was a regularly scheduled RP event -supposedly- meant to draw more RPers in the fold and ... to be shunned by them.

I'm not RP newb, either. I've taken part in some of the more major RP story lines on my old WoW server and have reputation for being a solid, if somewhat flightly, RPer. But to be blown off like that. It leaves a hugely bad taste in my mouth.

daemonios · August 2014

Get a bunch of friends/other players to lie down on the floor next to them spelling "HODOR" or "WOW 1ST MMO"

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Yea I would have started trolling them by using /hammerlow, /bucketsplash etc on them and just jumping around.

However, it seems odd that they all ignored you. (and the comment about girls and drinking is a little off, maybe I am misconstruing what you tried to rp there.) I wonder if we are get a full account of the story...

Yes their were 2 girls at the bar drinking and talking about how much they like to drink and chugging hard alcohol. I walked over (even was in walking mode) and stood next to them and simply said "hi". Later....like 5 minutes later I said "You ladies seem like my kinda drinking partners could I join you"? I was not crass or rude in any way to them.

The correct line was, "Are you Sheogorath? Because I think I've found your Wabbajack."

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

I wonder if this is the same guild.

Honestly I have had nothing but bad or underwhelming interactions with RPers. They all seem very elitist for being the red-headed stepchildren of the mmo universe.

But then, the people that are the most shunned socially also seem to be more than willing to put someone lower than themselves, so it is par for the course.

ShedsHisTail · August 2014

I think the reason a lot of RPers are hesitant to engage in spontaneous RP with strangers and tend to be fairly exclusive is because there are so many people who enjoy just messing with them.

If these folks all put you on ignore, that seems a little strange, but a can understand not wanting some random horning in on your RP.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

I think the reason a lot of RPers are hesitant to engage in spontaneous RP with strangers and tend to be fairly exclusive is because there are so many people who enjoy just messing with them.

If these folks all put you on ignore, that seems a little strange, but a can understand not wanting some random horning in on your RP.

I played (and ultimately adminned for) a MUD that was RP enforced with open world pvp (with a strict ruleset that was more trouble than it was worth.) You were RPing all the time so it never felt elitist. What I am thinking is these RPers break character outside of these scripted events. I don't feel like that is real rp. I mean you could be an rp vacationer and do that, but if you consider yourself an RPer, there are eloquent if somewhat questionable terms you can use to refer to things like having to handle something in real life etc. (we always referred to it as our soul "My soul calls to me, I must focus my attention elsewhere but will be back momentarily.) This can get confusing around non-RPers, but if you are going to rp, then do it, It seems meaningless to base your rp entirely around staged events, and THEN not even let other people participate. What is the point of having them in public to begin with.

Sindala · August 2014

What's to say these girls weren't RP'ing with you?
I bet you get ignored by the girls at bars all the time

Azzuria · August 2014

Random RP has been the source of so much of the best RP I've had the pleasure to experience. Scripted stuff is fun, but just happening upon a stranger, striking up a conversation and chatting about this and that can really be entertaining.

Nox_Aeterna · August 2014

Dunno , but i would not get so annoyed by it.

People like to create terms and try to say all the players at that side are like X , but that is not how it works.

Im sure you can find other RP guilds that would have welcome you just fine, you were just unlucky.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Dunno , but i would not get so annoyed by it.

People like to create terms and try to say all the players at that side are like X , but that is not how it works.

Im sure you can find other RP guilds that would have welcome you just fine, you were just unlucky.

This is ironic because you are constantly lumping all pvpers together as griefers or exploiters.

Kinsaven · August 2014

It's definitely true that some RP'ers react that way because of bad experiences with random RP'ers in the past, but to me that's not really an excuse. Simply ignoring someone is just plain rude, and if you don't want random people joining in then don't RP out in the open like that. If you really must keep your RP private, have your character say that yes, in fact you do mind them joining in and you'd prefer they leave, or a simple tell saying something like "I'm sorry, but this is kind of a private RP session so we don't really include random people." would do, even though I don't agree with that, but that's a different matter.

Roleplayers often complain about a lack of people to roleplay with, but they don't make it any easier for themselves when they do stuff like that. Everyone deserves to get a chance, and a simple "Hi, may I join you?" does certainly not warrant a full-on ignore by everyone involved.

It can be so difficult for new roleplayers to get included, and even though I'm certainly not new when it comes to RP, this kind of attitude has made me simply not want to bother, which is kind of sad. RP is supposed to be fun, but this sort of thing is discouraging to new people and sucks all the fun out of it.

Edit: I didn't mean to generalize roleplayers like that, I just realized that my post might have come across as if all roleplayers are like that, which obviously they're not. It's just from personal experience I've come across a lot of these situations, and it just makes me a little angry and sad at the same time. Roleplay can be so much fun, but it is people like this who ruin it for everyone else.

Flexar · August 2014

I don't think it's worth giving up on roleplaying just because you met some people who were rude to you; we're not all that bad. Only yesterday one of my guildmates and I got into a spontaneous RP with a complete stranger in a tavern, and I think it's fairly safe to say that we all had a good time. I've seen/heard of/been part of lots of spontaneous roleplaying in Narsis and the far west of the Rift. You might find lots of scumbags in the Covenant and the Dominion, but we're all very friendly here in the Pact.

Greybarren · August 2014

This is a trouble spot even a seasoned RPer can encounter during a walkup. It sucks when it does happen, veteran or new-comer. You move away feeling frustrated, somewhat invalidated, and even a little angry. In a way, it's like offering your arm for a handshake and having the other person turn and walk away.

There are two major schools of thought around roleplay, generally speaking and without going into the the other sub-strata:

Roleplay is entirely inclusive - anyone can walk-up, engage in character, and be included. Cliches, niches, and closed group RP is generally frowned upon.
Roleplay is exclusive - I, the player, will only roleplay with those I chose to, respond only to the actions I deem acceptable, and will filter those who I deem outside my interests.

Again, very generalized as each individual has their own opinion on what roleplay is and the parameters that define it. Roleplay communities have been arguing the general ideas above for years on forumboards.

Artemiisia · August 2014

could they had been using ts as a way of communicating to each other, and not looking at chat? I sometimes turn the chat box slider away if I dont wanna talk right where I am or get distracted

jrgray93 · August 2014

I have absolutely zero interest in RP. I usually try to just stay out of their way when I see people RPing. But hey, maybe I'd be better off hitting them with a nova, if that's the way they treat outsiders xD

GreenTea · August 2014

I'm so sorry for your bad experience!

It is possible that they were nice, and just jumped to conclusions and thought you were a griefer (Someone who comes in and disrupts RPs). However, there is no denying some folks won't RP outside their clique.

I promise that isn't often the case. There are folks who keep to themselves, but the vast majority of RPers love finding new people for their character to interact with.

What I can recommend to you is to find a guild where your character will fit in, and you will become friends with people out of character as well as in character. They more than likely will help you out if you tell them you are new to RPing. You'll have RP opportunities all the time, and if someones being a jerk or purposely excluding you, then you have a guild master who will take care of it and make sure everyone is playing nice.

I recommend checking out this site: The Elder Scrolls Online Roleplaying Community. There are lots of nice people there who know a lot about RPing and TES lore, as well as many helpful guides and guild recruitment threads to look through.

And this awesome video series, a Beginners Guide to Roleplaying.

Humor · August 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

Ive been part of elitist raid guilds and pvp guilds but neither have ever treated me with such disrespect as the role players I encountered on Daggerfall a few nights ago. I thought you Rper's were cool and casual and had fun but man was I wrong. I was so messed up by the whole incident that I have zero desire to ever attempt roleplaying ingame again.

So I ended up at this tavern in some town I cant remember to get I don't know what and found about 9 players inside mingling with npcs and talking very formally and rp-like. I listened in for a bit while leaning back against a wall *emote. They were talking about alchohol and playing drinking games and this.....made me excited to want to join! So I googled "how to roleplay in videogames" and did a quick crash course read-up, then back to game and waited for a good opportunity to get into the action. There was no action! They acted like I was invisible, I got more play from an npc encounter I swear!

I approached the group playing drinking games first (they were split into 2 groups) and said "mind if I join in? I just arrived from a grueling experience and could use a drink with some friendly faces". .....no answer....2,3,4,5 minutes pass. So respectfully I accepted that they may be deeply involved in their....drinking game rp so I go over to the bar where the other group is any say hello to 2 females having fun rping. So im thinking, hey alchohol, fun women, lets do this......2,3,4,5 minutes later still ignored. Then I realized the terrible truth....they all ignore listed me!

Yeah, that's my rp experience in eso. No pm from them saying "hey we are doing our own thing but if you are interested heres our website" OR..... "hey sorry but this is an exclusive event" OR EVEN.... "hey we just don't F'in like redguards so gtfo here please". Nope...none of that. Instead I was talking in a room full of people that didn't even give me a chance to play with them. How do I know they all ignore listed me? Because I messaged every single one and it didn't let me.

And do I care that I dropped a Nova Ultimate on their faces on my way out? No, little rp elitist, I didn't really-really want to play with them anyway. : *(

That's almost the exact opposite of what happens when I see Rper's. I usually block them instantly.

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SirAndy · August 2014

I had the exact opposite experience.

My Naked Nord ran into a large group of RPing Naked Elves in one of them city hubs and got into a nice exchange about the challenges of exploring Nirn naked.

Aenra · August 2014

- you """RP""", in a game with rules, that has a lore that pigeonholes you into further more rules

- all this inside a pixelated, non existent environment mind you

- some utter stranger to you, for whatever reason, treats you in some way you do not appreciate. Said way as fake as the pixels that helped articulate it

- your reaction to this is butthurt, followed by some mellifluous whining on said non existent pixelated environments forums

- just because someone you haven't met and never will displeased you in a utterly non-significant manner

i won't unite the dots for you, you form the last sentense

Samadhi · August 2014

I once came across some RPers at the Vampire Shrine doing a vampire hunting scene.
I hung out for a while and watched them without interacting.
They eventually tried to include me in the scene by asking if I was a vampire hunter myself.
I told them I was just hanging out hoping to get a bite and I was enjoying their scene in the meanwhile, and hoped I was not causing them trouble.

One of them bit me and they turned it into part of their scene where the hunter cursed me and warned me that I was now to be hunted along with the rest of them.

So even if there are elitist *** RPers out there, there's some outright nice ones as well.

andreasv · August 2014

Wait until you can kill NPCs and the next time you're ignored take out every NPC in the bar. Let's see what an impact an empty bar with a raging / wanted maniac has on their role playing.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

half of all rp'rs just want to fantasy cyber anyway. Statistical fact.

kieso · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

half of all rp'rs just want to fantasy cyber anyway. Statistical fact.

QFT

Nox_Aeterna · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Dunno , but i would not get so annoyed by it.

People like to create terms and try to say all the players at that side are like X , but that is not how it works.

Im sure you can find other RP guilds that would have welcome you just fine, you were just unlucky.

This is ironic because you are constantly lumping all pvpers together as griefers or exploiters.

And that just proves you do not read many of my posts , i already also stated quite clearly that i dont believe all PvP players are griefers , the problem is for example , you could be considered a griefer in many cases , even if you dont think that is what you are doing.

If there is a PvE player doing quests , and you kill him just because you can (which you already said is something you would do , not because you want to do him harm , but because you like to kill every enemy player you can and you dont think dying is an issue) , that may cause that player grief, because to him dying IS and issue and he really gets really annoyed that another player made him lose time, gold...

Ofc , that is going around the big issue that is players that actually want to grief others by killing them ...

Like i said also multiple times , i have nothing against PvP players that want to bash at each other. When they start to want to hunt PvE players that dont want to PvP at all i see an issue.

PS: I lump PvP players together for being exploiters , when someone actually dares to say PvE players are the big exploiters of the game, like the PvP players are not well know for doing it themselves. Players of all kinds are exploiters , saying the justice system will remove this because there is PvP is ridiculous , if there are exploits it is on zen end to fix them , cause PvP players will abuse them just as much as PvE players.

Ignored &amp; Excluded by Elitist Role players.

Ignored & Excluded by Elitist Role players.