Apparition wrote: »

Forget nightblade, the class sucks. I am a nightblade & all we are in cyrodiil is waterboys for the DK's & Sorc's.
We can't go toe to toe with any of them except Templars & nightblades & don't tell me it's my build, I've mixed & matched my build so much my NB is starting to have an identity crisis.
Quite simply we cannot match DK's & Sorc's for regen or power.
Zenimax has no idea how to balance classes, not even close to the mark yet

I'm a VR7 DK and I've been wrecked by well played Nightblades dozens of times, especially so in 1v1 content.

This NB seems to do pretty well in PVP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp06U0BN5KE

Build: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pvp-video-guide-zemez-2-offensive-restoration-nightblade/

lathbury wrote: »

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Welka wrote: »

Well the issue is, how can you bypass Nightblade skills when you want to play an assassin or thief. I will try the broom and skirt, but it's never been my cup of tea. I like the idea of being that menace in the shadows, the one strike killer you didn't see coming lol

I play the "Shady Assassin" Nightblade and am still heavily reliant on Stamina. The fact it, though, you can't play a "Nightblade" while completely rejecting the Nightblade skills.

My character is dual-wield only, I don't use any other weapons; I have no notable ranged attacks. I sneak in, strike, and disappear. I rely completely on high single target dps and I take on three-packs one mob at a time, typically dropping the first two before the third can react.

Yeah, I use Magicka, but that's to be expected when you're turning invisible right in front of your target. But the stamina becomes important for that third guy; the one who saw you drop his friends and now wants a straight up fight with you now that your Magicka pool is dry. He's the one you blind with your flashing blades, he's the one perforate with flurry while he bleeds out from Blood Craze.

And when all three are lying dead a your feet... You loot and disappear.

thats how I used to play I went through all the original un nerfed vet content inc dungeons like that. But I guarantee you will not clear trials or veteran crypt of hearts playing that way.
There is one way ATM dress and stick sad but true. If you can show me a vid of a melee nb pushing over 700 dps sustained for 4 minutes I'll happily eat my words.

I completely agree.
The bild only works because it's highly situational. It's completely dependent on the element fo surprise and high burst dps. It has exactly zero sustained viability. If the fight doesn't end in less than ten seconds, you're basically dead in the water.

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

Welka wrote: »

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

At V9 I have HP at softcap and stam and magicka both about 150 below. No yellow gear or runes so there's plenty of room for improvement.

Forgive my noobyness, but how is this possible without enchants?

O I'm using enchants, just not the top end ones.

Just FYI if you go full Magicka you will have one hell of an alpha strike, but after that you're more or less hosed. Pretty much all anyone has to do is pull out a shield and wait 5 seconds and then take you out.

Split Magicka/Stam is that way to go (maybe one a bit more than the other depending on your playstyle) if you plan on doing mainly 1v1 or solo ganking.

Starting race makes little difference for the most part FYI. If you plan on going 1900/3100/1900 at endgame (magic/hp/stam) having that extra bonus to any stat is just going to adjust how you outfit your character, it won't actually change much in the way that character is played. (It's not like softcaps are affected by race selection)

How does one even reach 1900/3100/1900? With everything I can think of I would still be far from it.

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Apparition wrote: »

Forget nightblade, the class sucks. I am a nightblade & all we are in cyrodiil is waterboys for the DK's & Sorc's.
We can't go toe to toe with any of them except Templars & nightblades & don't tell me it's my build, I've mixed & matched my build so much my NB is starting to have an identity crisis.
Quite simply we cannot match DK's & Sorc's for regen or power.
Zenimax has no idea how to balance classes, not even close to the mark yet

An NB should not go toe to toe with anyone. You are an assassin. It amazes me that so many do not get this. My son plays a VR3 Vampire NB and he only attacks from stealth, usually invisibility and solos World Bosses for fun and giggles.

My other Nightblade (I have three) is a Sword and Board tank. He goes toe-to-toe with everything. And he's tough as nails.

Nightblade stam / archer is fine and a viable build.

What i use.

stat allocation - 49 Health
armour enchant - All stamina

Toolbar - Bow
Swallow soul
Venom arrow
Bombard (arrow spray morph for AOE root)
Impale (ranged execute)
Siphoning strikes

With that, you can solo anything and do 800+ dps at VR1

*Note: Long post ahead.

I'm a VR12 NB and I'm still confused with the class hehe.

Seriously though, I've re-rolled a DK just to see what all the fuss is about and the choices you have are pretty obvious, it's an easy class I think. Not so much with an NB, and while I did find my NB to be super easy to blast through level 1-50 content in PvE, I did find her harder to use in vet content, and in PvP.

If you are going to use an NB in PvE with Dual wield with Bow, then snipe and venom arrow are good to use in the Bow skill lines, magnum is another because the knock back gives you some breathing room. Snipe with sneak enables when hitting from behind turns a mob of 3 NPC's into 2 very quickly, many times than not, one shot. Venom arrow is good with casters as it's interrupts them making for an easy take down, also these skills are good in PvP later on, magnum not as much in PvP as knock back isn't

Siphon, Assassin and Shadow skill lines are a lot more involved, and have more of an impact on what strengths your character will have. Best to check out some builds and read some theory craft on those is my recommendation. One thing I will say though is veil of blades for an Ultimate is something that'll save your bacon many times over, irrelevant of your build and play style.

Dual wield, is fantastic. Having all of those skills leveled to 50 isn't going to do you any harm both now and in vet content. While some of the lines might not read well, what they give you in PvP later on is fantastic, and the others that are obvious bigger damage kills are great in the earlier levels or PvE.

If you are going to build a character for maximum DPS then 7 light with resto/destro staff is the go period. BUT, if you are going to run with bow and dual wield then medium armour is going to give you a few handy buffs for that, it'll help with speed and stamina. Especially with the 1.3 patch coming out in the next week. Medium will finally be an alternative to light armour.

That's my thoughts, right or wrong. It's got me to VR12, and I'm 'okay' in PvP but not a superstar by any means. I'm happy with her, and that's the thing. I'm still enjoying playing my NB as much now as I did when I first rolled her on the games start. Even if she isn't a total beast compared to some of the Sorcs, Templars and DK's that I've meet on the battlefield in Cyrodiil, it's the most enjoyable character I've made out of all the classes.

*Note: Again, sorry for the novel below. If you are a TLDR type, then skip it.

Exactly right ^ Aeratus, everything isn't in plain view for an NB. I know my class well now ( I'm no expert, or claim to be but I have put some hard yards in with testing) and by god it took some time to understand the class. Whereas I feel a DK is much more in plain view IMO. I haven't bothered to run a Templar or Sorc as it doesn't interest me, so what I know about those classes is what I hear from guildies and they say it's pretty straight forward.

My tip for NB would be NOT to read to much into the tool tips, and to test things yourself.

If you are using stealth and assassin skill lines in 1-50, try to keep hidden from your enemy, make sure the 'eye' is closed and hit them from behind, it's there you'll take them down quickly. And unlike PvP NPC's don't hear the animation and block like a player will in Cyrodiil.

When I got to VR levels I seriously thought I'd done something wrong. So, I went to these forums and saw many, many NB's posting things that I was experiencing, most of them disenchanted with the class and re-rolling DK's. I did the same, but wanting to remain true to my original Idea I went back to my NB, talked to a few guildies and asked lots of stupid questions (stupid to them, not to me) and I took their suggestions on board, then I re-specked and carried on like I was before, bulldozing most things in front of me.

Truthfully, I have been frustrated and it hasn't always been rosie, but it hasn't got me down when things didn't go my way. If anything it's spurred me on with the class. Earlier on when most of our mechanics were broken, things were tough as I didn't properly understand the class, even than I got by alright, although there was a lot of dying to be had. Even then, PvE really wasn't that hard for me, even pre vet content nerf. Challenging yes, but not overly hard to want to rage quit like a few did.

On to Armour. There is no doubt 7 light is the best armour for any class as it's stands, I play with some beasts in PvP that are NB's and they are pretty devastating with that setup, but I simply don't want to run in 7 light with a boomstick.

Although I'm not a true RP'er I did have a pre-conceived idea of what my NB would look like, wear and specialize in and I've tried hard not to deviate from that, although I have re-specked a few times to trial different things like you Aeratus. It's this stereotypical NB I want to play.

I've found that running in a small group of similar specked NB's that love to be stealthy, cloaking and what not. Sneaky around and killing people left right and centre in Cyrodiil is the most fun I have playing this game. Of course in Cyrodiil when my guild calls for action, I'll stop my ganking shenanigans and take orders from the group leader for the objective at hand. But being a sneaky buzzard, sometimes taking out well known PvP 'beasts' unaware is very rewarding for me. Even if it means later on I end up being on someones hit list for an evening. (I've had that before, take out a beast and end up being owned again and again because 'they are mad bro' and I've made it onto their 'to kill list' kekeke)

To me a game is about engagement and enjoyment, not what class is OP and beastly. And I've struck a chord with my character. It resonates with me, I'm happy. Although, I wouldn't say no to having more kick of course

NB's are all about burst damage and the best burst comes from magicka. For sustained damage stamina abilities are better because you can get very high stamina regen with medium armour. Hence stam based NB's are popular in Cyro because the fights tend to go on longer.

Bar 1: Duel Wield -- Used for solo ganks--
Hidden Blade | Concealed Weapon | Ambush | Shadowy Disguise | Inner Light
ULT: Devouring Swarm

Bar 2: Restoration Staff -- Used for support when ganking with a team--
Healing Springs | Rapid Regeneration | Elusive Mist | Retreating Maneuver | Inner Light
ULT: Soul Strike

49 attribute points in health.
Health and Magic at soft cap with I think 1600 stamina after food buff. I would have to verify those, but it is pretty close.

This is the current build that I have been testing and it seems to be going well so far. This is I think the 8th time I have respected...

DW/Bow is one of my favorite setups and I would recommend it. I ran a bow build in PvP from 45-V5, but I just had to change it up haha.

wertyc1b16_ESO wrote: »

How does one even reach 1900/3100/1900? With everything I can think of I would still be far from it.

I'm 1750/3000/1800 currently at VR9. I guestimated another 125 total stats from using purple food (I use blue) and the rest from using Yellow glyphs and jewelry over the blue/purple ones I use currently.

You can add some extra cheese from Imperial racial bonus (I play a Dunmer so that's almost +200 total stat points) and/or the WW bonus (+20% stamina = 340ish stamina at 1700, enough to push you well past the softcap)

Keep in mind these are Cyrodiil numbers, but I think much higher than 1900/3100/1900 is possible.

(Also, I'm not a mathematician and don't have 1900 or 3100 fingers/toes so I could easily be wrong)

wertyc1b16_ESO wrote: »

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

Welka wrote: »

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

At V9 I have HP at softcap and stam and magicka both about 150 below. No yellow gear or runes so there's plenty of room for improvement.

Forgive my noobyness, but how is this possible without enchants?

O I'm using enchants, just not the top end ones.

Just FYI if you go full Magicka you will have one hell of an alpha strike, but after that you're more or less hosed. Pretty much all anyone has to do is pull out a shield and wait 5 seconds and then take you out.

Split Magicka/Stam is that way to go (maybe one a bit more than the other depending on your playstyle) if you plan on doing mainly 1v1 or solo ganking.

Starting race makes little difference for the most part FYI. If you plan on going 1900/3100/1900 at endgame (magic/hp/stam) having that extra bonus to any stat is just going to adjust how you outfit your character, it won't actually change much in the way that character is played. (It's not like softcaps are affected by race selection)

How does one even reach 1900/3100/1900? With everything I can think of I would still be far from it.

Not really hard at all. You get 500 extra health just from being in Cryodil. So to hit this with blue food that buffs stam/magicka you would only need 1588/2600/1588 or with stamina/health you just need 1900/2288/1588. Even easier with purple food that gives 257 to all three. 1643/2343/1643 before food buff is not hard to hit at all. I doubt you even need all gold glyphs/equipment to hit that.

kitsinni wrote: »

wertyc1b16_ESO wrote: »

pitdemon_Esanta 52473 wrote:

Welka wrote: »

At V9 I have HP at softcap and stam and magickathé th about 150 below. No yellow gear or runes so there's plenty of room for improvement.

Forgive my noobyness, but how is this possible without enchants?

O I'm using enchants, just not the top end ones.

Just FYI if you go full Magicka you will have one hell of an alpha strike, but after that you're more or less hosed. Pretty much all anyone has to do is pull out a shield and wait 5 seconds and then take you out.

Split Magicka/Stam is that way to go (maybe one a bit more than the other depending on your playstyle) if you plan on doing mainly 1v1 or solo ganking.

Starting race makes little difference for the most part FYI. If you plan on going 1900/3100/1900 at endgame (magic/hp/stam) having that extra bonus to any stat is just going to adjust how you outfit your character, it won't actually change much in the way that character is played. (It's not like softcaps are affected by race selection)

How does one even reach 1900/3100/1900? With everything I can think of I would still be far from it.

Not really hard at all. You get 500 extra health just from being in Cryodil. So to hit this with blue food that buffs stam/magicka you would only need 1588/2600/1588 or with stamina/health you just need 1900/2288/1588. Even easier with purple food that gives 257 to all three. 1643/2343/1643 before food buff is not hard to hit at all. I doubt you even need all gold glyphs/equipment to hit that. [/quote]

Thanks!

I think that with the soft cap increase I will go all magicka/health as I just love my burst bar. Also with resto heals and funnel on second bar together with siphoning strikes u may not get the crits, going a weap. crit build, but you can sustain alot.