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Suspicious Trial completion times.
Taiminator
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Hey, so last Sunday we've seen some pretty insane Trials completion times on the EU server. A group on the AD side have registered world record clears in both Hel-ra Citadel (8m8s) and Aetherian Archive (8m44s). I've been running trials for a long time now with groups where every DPS pulls 1k+ single target during boss fights but we've gotten no where near those times. Under 10min seems doable by skipping the known trash groups but under 9min and almost under 8m makes me suspect that certain entire boss fights are skipped entirely somehow (again). It used to be possible to skip the first boss in AA which is only a 15s fight anyways but I thought that was fixed. I've also heard rumors that the first boss in Hel-ra can be skipped as well by glitching through the doors. I find it a little sad that this is where the endgame is at today, where the "best" groups are basically getting top times through glitching out the game's mechanics or worse. If those times are achieved through legitimate means, I apologize for the suspicion but would still like to see some video of those runs.
What do you guys think? Are these runs legit?
What do you guys think? Are these runs legit?
Pact Bosmer Nightblade DPS, Tank or healer
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭the 9 min run in EU AA was made with DKS prior to the nerf of standard. I've seen NightBlades do 1,5K DPS+ on bosses soooo, full NB group with 1 tank, 1 or 2 sorc and 1 healer +1 off healer?
Edited by TehMagnus on July 29, 2014 12:49AM1 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I was watching that video (the one where they do a trial in 9 minutes and change) where the folkks were talking about how they could do one part differently and cut more than a minute off the time, so it's possible.
I think they make for great videos, but it is not something I see myself doing.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭IMO, the game should automatically record all runs below a certain duration and send it to dev's to be looked at.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
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Oinabilac✭✭No abuse was made at all. We skip adds sure, but other than that it's solid both for Hel Ra and Archive. Here are videos for both the AA and Hel Ra runs. We don't have for the Hel Ra 8min time, but we do have one for the AA 8min44sec time. We don't even do the jump, so could go below 8mins with some perfections at AA, some improvements can be made for Hel Ra too.
AA 8min44sec:
Starts around 32mins
http://www.twitch.tv/killerderchiller/b/551873804
Hel Ra 10min00sec:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP2bVvnZELk
Edited by Oinabilac on July 29, 2014 1:13AM4 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Taiminator wrote: »Hey, so last Sunday we've seen some pretty insane Trials completion times on the EU server. A group on the AD side have registered world record clears in both Hel-ra Citadel (8m8s) and Aetherian Archive (8m44s). I've been running trials for a long time now with groups where every DPS pulls 1k+ single target during boss fights but we've gotten no where near those times. Under 10min seems doable by skipping the known trash groups but under 9min and almost under 8m makes me suspect that certain entire boss fights are skipped entirely somehow (again). It used to be possible to skip the first boss in AA which is only a 15s fight anyways but I thought that was fixed. I've also heard rumors that the first boss in Hel-ra can be skipped as well by glitching through the doors. I find it a little sad that this is where the endgame is at today, where the "best" groups are basically getting top times through glitching out the game's mechanics or worse. If those times are achieved through legitimate means, I apologize for the suspicion but would still like to see some video of those runs.
What do you guys think? Are these runs legit?
I think limited res timed raiding makes for crap group mechanics it encourages bad attitudes and poor community. Id rather see end game content tha required more then just max dps . Right now eso is the kmart of end game content.4 -
ShedsHisTail✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is the EU server?
Maybe they're using metric minutes?
100 seconds long.
:P"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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boogie95✭✭✭in the end who cares its a game just worrie about you and not getting the biggest e-***1
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Taiminator✭✭✭No abuse was made at all. We skip adds sure, but other than that it's solid both for Hel Ra and Archive. Here are videos for both the AA and Hel Ra runs. We don't have for the Hel Ra 8min time, but we do have one for the AA 8min44sec time. We don't even do the jump, so could go below 8mins with some perfections at AA, some improvements can be made for Hel Ra too.
AA 8min44sec:
Starts around 32mins
http://www.twitch.tv/killerderchiller/b/551873804
Hel Ra 10min00sec:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP2bVvnZELk
10min videos are no novelty. Please post an 8min videoPact Bosmer Nightblade DPS, Tank or healer2 -
david271749✭✭✭✭✭This is what happens when you give exploiters content. They continue to exploit.2 -
fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭If people stopped thinking lolleaderboards matter they'd be a lot happier playing the game.2 -
Dalglish✭✭✭Oina has actually proven in this post their was no exploiting. Certain adds are skipped but every speed running group does this.
Speed groups will always be elitist and use tactics that will clear the run as quick as possible. You can still join groups that will clear with ease but not necessarily be able to go for a speed run.
The trials are what people make of it, speed runs and leaderboards on the other hand are for the min/maxers and always will be; in any game you play.
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Oinabilac✭✭Taiminator wrote: »No abuse was made at all. We skip adds sure, but other than that it's solid both for Hel Ra and Archive. Here are videos for both the AA and Hel Ra runs. We don't have for the Hel Ra 8min time, but we do have one for the AA 8min44sec time. We don't even do the jump, so could go below 8mins with some perfections at AA, some improvements can be made for Hel Ra too.
AA 8min44sec:
Starts around 32mins
http://www.twitch.tv/killerderchiller/b/551873804
Hel Ra 10min00sec:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP2bVvnZELk
10min videos are no novelty. Please post an 8min video
There is no video from the 8min run simply because we did not record. We will get a video when we do another run. In the meantime it would be nice if Zenimax could actually verify that the first boss was killed legitimately and not skipped; I am sure they have the means to check that.0 -
Taiminator✭✭✭okay, I just watched the 8m44s AA clear. Very impressive. Hat's down! Please make a video of a 8min Hel-ra clear as well Pact Bosmer Nightblade DPS, Tank or healer0
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Dalglish✭✭✭killedbyping wrote: »Oina has actually proven in this post their was no exploiting. Certain adds are skipped but every speed running group does this.
Speed groups will always be elitist and use tactics that will clear the run as quick as possible. You can still join groups that will clear with ease but not necessarily be able to go for a speed run.
The trials are what people make of it, speed runs and leaderboards on the other hand are for the min/maxers and always will be; in any game you play.
He did'nt prove anything. Video he linked have nothing to do with 8 min run.
The AA 8min trial is part of that video. The Hel Ra one isn't; who records everything they play? Do you?
Edited by Dalglish on July 29, 2014 8:12AMVictrix EU - EP & AD -
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Oinabilac✭✭killedbyping wrote: »Oina has actually proven in this post their was no exploiting. Certain adds are skipped but every speed running group does this.
Speed groups will always be elitist and use tactics that will clear the run as quick as possible. You can still join groups that will clear with ease but not necessarily be able to go for a speed run.
The trials are what people make of it, speed runs and leaderboards on the other hand are for the min/maxers and always will be; in any game you play.
He did'nt prove anything. Video he linked have nothing to do with 8 min run.
So if the video I linked has an 8 min time at AA it has nothing to do with 8 min runs? The dps we put up on the AA runs should be evidence enough that we indeed have what it takes to do low 8 mins at Hel Ra.
If the hodor guild can do 9min28sec at Hel Ra and 9min54sec at AA with jump. Then certainly we can push it down by 80 seconds when we have done AA at 8min44sec without jump.0 -
Dalglish✭✭✭It seems this thread's sole purpose is to force a video so that tactics etc can be copied (guessing guys already copy the group composition but cannot see how its done lol).
Accusations of cheating (even though an empty apology is included) is a bit low.
Oh and yes I am part of this guild. some of the main guys DPS is consistently amazing; sometimes I can beat the other dks on certain bosses, but these guys consistently get their rotations spot on every single time.Edited by Dalglish on July 29, 2014 8:28AMVictrix EU - EP & AD -
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ARtChi✭✭✭
There always will be old gizzer ALWAYSkilledbyping wrote: »There always will be hackers and exploiters and rank farmers as long as there are Leaderboard.
ALWAYS ! Eager to be on top of Leaderboard, even if it doesnt mean anything is the thing that wake up all the bad things in any person.
People who say others are cheaters just because they are bad and can't accept it.
Edited by ARtChi on July 29, 2014 8:32AM1 -
Hehehe, i could've seen a flaming thread like this.
The times we achieved in both trials is reward of many hours and days of hard training and brainstorming. Only those who do the same could understand.
No worries, videos are coming soon.
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Taiminator✭✭✭It seems this thread's sole purpose is to force a video so that tactics etc can be copied (guessing guys already copy the group composition but cannot see how its done lol).
Accusations of cheating (even though an empty apology is included) is a bit low.
Oh and yes I am part of this guild. some of the main guys DPS is consistently amazing; sometimes I can beat the other dks on certain bosses, but these guys consistently get their rotations spot on every single time.
Take it as a compliment. If you are that good that people suspect you of cheating, it's ultimately a good thing. I've watched the AA video now and do believe it's done legimately. Still would like to see the Hel-Ra video, not to steal tactics, but to admire the DPS, speed and coordination.
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Oinabilac✭✭Taiminator wrote: »It seems this thread's sole purpose is to force a video so that tactics etc can be copied (guessing guys already copy the group composition but cannot see how its done lol).
Accusations of cheating (even though an empty apology is included) is a bit low.
Oh and yes I am part of this guild. some of the main guys DPS is consistently amazing; sometimes I can beat the other dks on certain bosses, but these guys consistently get their rotations spot on every single time.
Take it as a compliment. If you are that good that people suspect you of cheating, it's ultimately a good thing. I've watched the AA video now and do believe it's done legimately. Still would like to see the Hel-Ra video, not to steal tactics, but to admire the DPS, speed and coordination.
Skepticism is something I value a great deal and no one should ever apologize for it. You have done nothing wrong; I respect people who ask for evidence more than those who accept things blindly. This is why I didn't hesitate to post recordings of what we have. It is unfortunate that we don't have a recording of the hel ra run, but hopefully the time we achieved is plausible considering the AA time.
I will try to gather recordings from hel ra but I can't guarantee this will happen before the patch.1
