I remember when the game was challenging, good times.

My first encounter with Doshia in the beta went something like this...

Scamps killed me twice fighting to get to her, Doshia killed me about 8 times before I slunk away to lick my wounds, level up a little and come back. When I came back two leveled higher she killed me twice before I finally killed her.

Last week on my Templar healer at the level I was sent to fight Doshia it went like this...

Me prepping for a fairly hard fight, ready to die if need be with soul gems handy for reviving...fought past the scamps with restoration staff no problem, snuck in behind Doshia and...40 seconds later having used nothing but restoration staff Doshia was dead. I was left scratching my head at whether I killed her or maybe a stray drip of water from the cave ceiling collapsed her skull. Doshia has no fight in her...harvesters are...you know...hard to kill, Doshia was a pushover.

Jennifur_Vultee wrote: »

My first encounter with Doshia in the beta went something like this...

Scamps killed me twice fighting to get to her, Doshia killed me about 8 times before I slunk away to lick my wounds, level up a little and come back. When I came back two leveled higher she killed me twice before I finally killed her.

Last week on my Templar healer at the level I was sent to fight Doshia it went like this...

Me prepping for a fairly hard fight, ready to die if need be with soul gems handy for reviving...fought past the scamps with restoration staff no problem, snuck in behind Doshia and...40 seconds later having used nothing but restoration staff Doshia was dead. I was left scratching my head at whether I killed her or maybe a stray drip of water from the cave ceiling collapsed her skull. Doshia has no fight in her...harvesters are...you know...hard to kill, Doshia was a pushover.

yeah I even let the orbs get close but she was dead before they did anything.

Harvesters are still some of the tougher creatures. I beat her pre-nerf, so I don't know what's she's like these days. But considering her level, it's probably a good thing. If you guys want a challenge, solo a like-level VR dolmen. As a nightblade. With no AoE.

Tabbycat wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

Harvesters are still some of the tougher creatures. I beat her pre-nerf, so I don't know what's she's like these days. But considering her level, it's probably a good thing. If you guys want a challenge, solo a like-level VR dolmen. As a nightblade. With no AoE.

Yes well, now she keels over dead if you sneeze on her.

The bone colossus you fight in the introduction in coldharbour while you are escaping with the prophet (at level 2 or 3 ish) is more challenging than Doshia. That's sad.

You know its nearly impossible to die in that fight right? The Prophet heals you ;D

But I do get your point.

When I fought her back on release day, or the day after I don't remember, she was insanely difficult and I died like a dozen times, got help and beat her.

I actually died from regular attacks. Not abilities, dident have the gear I suppose, that I remember.

Edit: im actually having the same issue with Storm Atronarches in Reapers March v10 zone right now, but that's because I'm a Stamina based Dual Wield DK, lets just say dual wield is completely unusable in later veteran levels, and I refuse to respec.

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Pepperidge farm remembers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmpxME2GsFY

You can kill her before she even transforms now if you time your stuns right. She wasn't bad pre-nerf, now she's not even worth mentioning.

I've got a lot of alts. Post-nerf I've killed her 3 or 4 times before she even transformed. One of those times it was a single shot from Silver Bolts that insta-killed her.

sylviermoone wrote: »

I remember fighting her on my DW NB at lvl 10 pre-nerf. It was an insanely difficult fight, and I died so many times I rage quit the fight, went out and got a few more levels, came back and STILL died a few times.

This is the reason... It's lvl 7 (If I recall right) quest mob that is in forced solo quest line. They could have chosen some other mob as the boss there and introduce harvesters a bit later in the game. Yes I did that during the beta and early access period so I know what it has been. And I understand the nerf, maybe bit too much of a nerf but anyway.

Doesn't encourage many people to continue with the game when you hit brick wall of boss in a solo quest in less than lvl 10.

You know, it's interesting: I've run a coule of alts through starter zones recently, and on my ranged character, she was a walk in the park, but my melee character had a real struggle. Not a "I'm going to die" struggle but a "This fight is never going to end" struggle, because it's waaaay harder for melee to get to and kill the healing balls before they reach her.

It would have been better if they'd found a way to better balance her for different playstyles, but then again, that's ESO in a nutshell. Nearly everything is easier ranged.

Syntse wrote: »

sylviermoone wrote: »

I remember fighting her on my DW NB at lvl 10 pre-nerf. It was an insanely difficult fight, and I died so many times I rage quit the fight, went out and got a few more levels, came back and STILL died a few times.

This is the reason... It's lvl 7 (If I recall right) quest mob that is in forced solo quest line. They could have chosen some other mob as the boss there and introduce harvesters a bit later in the game. Yes I did that during the beta and early access period so I know what it has been. And I understand the nerf, maybe bit too much of a nerf but anyway.

Doesn't encourage many people to continue with the game when you hit brick wall of boss in a solo quest in less than lvl 10.

I wouldn't say it constituted a brick wall for me. I died 6 or 7 times and was incredibly frustrated, sure. But I went out into the world, got some more experience and skills, came back and tried again. On my second go, I still died 2 or 3 times, but I made the adjustments needed for the fight and got 'er done. That fight was the one that really tought me that I would absolutely HAVE to make adjustments to my skills and my bar, study the boss, and adjust my fighting style appropriately depending on the situation.

One shouldn't expect to be able to fight every enemy in exactly the same way, IMO. One should expect this fight can be vastly different than your last fight, and a different strategy may need to be hammered out. For all the QQing about "play how you want", I personally never expected to lolfaceroll the game.

I still play this char. She is my main, and I just LOVE playing her. Though I've been playing her since early access, she only just broke vet levels. I still die (sometimes repeatedly) when facing tough solo bosses. Manimarco killed me SO MANY TIMES. But again, that fight was a matter of putting the correct combo of skills together for that particular fight, and it took some trial and error on my part.

Some people have these experiences, and then rush to the forum to scream OMG NERF THIS PLZ! TOO HARD NEED MOAR BUFFS!!!". I choose to revel in the sense of accomplishment for a victory well earned.

Edited for bad autocorrect.

AngryNord wrote: »

Daethz wrote: »

When I fought her back on release day, or the day after I don't remember, she was insanely difficult and I died like a dozen times, got help and beat her.

So you got help with a forced-solo boss, huh...

I helped my friend pre-nerf with Doshia...I had killed Doshia with my bow so I handed Larzette my bow and sent her back in then gave her encouragement and tips before the fight. I think she still died a few times but she said I helped get her through it and she did kill Doshia after several tries. Sometimes help doesn't have to be someone there with you, just someone with tips and encouragement can be enough.

We both thought Doshia was too hard for the level at which you're sent to kill her at but now killing her is way too easy. There needs to be a middle ground where she's a tough fight and can kill you if you're careless or under geared too much but not so hard people rage quit.

I'm happy I killed Doshia pre-nerf, I found it was the best boss fight I've been in :T

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

I remember when the game was challenging, good times.

Beta phases usually are the most challenging as stupidly over-tuned content is found and adjusted.

Found and adjusted to stupidly under tuned content which now we shouldn't even consider a boss. Before if you died you were doing something wrong. Now she's not worthy of a boss title.