Runes farmed from below

OleVlad · July 2014

It drives me crazy farming rune stones in Craglorn. I see an Aspect stone and hope it is not a TA and it disappears with no one around. This is the most frustrating thing in the game for me. PLEASE fix this.

Soulshine · July 2014

Bots. They are everywhere in the game unfortunately and no matter how much it is reported, ZoS does not seem to have the means to get rid of them as they do in other games.

Isibis · July 2014

Is this issue confirmed to be Bot related, as opposed to nodes being laggy or failing to disappear for other reasons?
For instance, I noticed that the nodes that disappear when you get to them do not show keen eye glow, leading me to believe they are not normal nodes.

SirAndy · July 2014

Isibis wrote: »

Is this issue confirmed to be Bot related

Do a search here, this has been discussed Ad Nauseum.

It becomes really clear when you see the head of the underground bot pop up for just a fraction of a second before the node disappears.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · July 2014

Yeah I lose at least 5%, maybe more of nodes I try to grab. It's nothing like it was but still a pain.

Isibis · July 2014

SirAndy wrote: »

Isibis wrote: »

Is this issue confirmed to be Bot related

Do a search here, this has been discussed Ad Nauseum.

It becomes really clear when you see the head of the underground bot pop up for just a fraction of a second before the node disappears.

o.o I have never seen the heads, but lets keep it that way...

Romo · July 2014

Wonder if these bots are regular players? Seems to be limited to hard to get nodes rather than everything to get gold.

Natjur · July 2014

With the Line of Sight increase can see further then your shard. This means, the first 50 meters you see is your current shard, the next 50 could be your shard, or the underlining main shard.

This means if you see a rune at 100 meters away, it may NOT be in the shard that you are in. Run 50 meters forward, watch it disappear, take a few steps back, watch is reappear.

With lag and fast horses, this disappear may not happen until your 5-10 meters away, but next time you see one 'disappear' just before you harvest it, slowly back up (to about 50 meters) and see if you can see it 'redrawn back'. If it does, its was not taken by bots, its just not in your shard.

If you have the skill (Keen Eye), that gives nodes ' the glow', the glow is only ever added to nodes in your shard, so if it has no glow, don't bother, its not really there for you. I know added the 'glow' to runes is a waste as they show up so well anyway, it is useful to know which runes not to bother with (stops you wasting your time going for runes not in your shard)

Its not always the bots.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · July 2014

I can see em' a long way away. I run 2560x1600 with max distance. Makes farming easier, but they always disappear just as I reach out to grab them. Never had any disappear at distance.

Natjur · July 2014

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I can see em' a long way away. I run 2560x1600 with max distance. Makes farming easier, but they always disappear just as I reach out to grab them. Never had any disappear at distance.

The next one that disappear as you get close, slowly back up and tell me if they reappear.

If you got a Skill Point to waste, try added Keen Eye and can you tell me if the ones that disappear are always the ones without a glow (from Keen Eye) .

xaraan · July 2014

I think they are just gone and not updated on the server/client yet. I see nodes all the time, having keen eye, that don't glow and will vanish when I click them. I've also had it happen where a friend picked a flower and I wasn't facing him and thought he walked off without it and I went to pick it and it vanished and he said he had just grabbed it. I'd say it has more to do with instances and updating than botting - even when bots were bad they didn't mess with runes or alchemy mats that I ever saw.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · July 2014

Natjur wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I can see em' a long way away. I run 2560x1600 with max distance. Makes farming easier, but they always disappear just as I reach out to grab them. Never had any disappear at distance.

The next one that disappear as you get close, slowly back up and tell me if they reappear.

If you got a Skill Point to waste, try added Keen Eye and can you tell me if the ones that disappear are always the ones without a glow (from Keen Eye) .

I am not throwing skill points away. I can see a runestone a long way off. Keen Eye does nothing for me. They always disappear when my hand is about to grab them.

I did put one point into the clothing one as flax in Ghratwood is just another blue flower among many blue flowers.

I can see stuff across valleys and farm by riding my horse back and forth. I can see any type of mat very well from quite a distance.

Sapphy24 · July 2014

Bots running around at high speed in Cold Harbour above ground for ages.
Glowing nodes disappear constantly.
Obviously the powers that be don't have any powers to stop them.

Maotti · July 2014

Natjur wrote: »

With the Line of Sight increase can see further then your shard. This means, the first 50 meters you see is your current shard, the next 50 could be your shard, or the underlining main shard.

This means if you see a rune at 100 meters away, it may NOT be in the shard that you are in. Run 50 meters forward, watch it disappear, take a few steps back, watch is reappear.

With lag and fast horses, this disappear may not happen until your 5-10 meters away, but next time you see one 'disappear' just before you harvest it, slowly back up (to about 50 meters) and see if you can see it 'redrawn back'. If it does, its was not taken by bots, its just not in your shard.

If you have the skill (Keen Eye), that gives nodes ' the glow', the glow is only ever added to nodes in your shard, so if it has no glow, don't bother, its not really there for you. I know added the 'glow' to runes is a waste as they show up so well anyway, it is useful to know which runes not to bother with (stops you wasting your time going for runes not in your shard)

Its not always the bots.

Totally off topic question: Is this the same reason as to why i can sometimes see a Dolmen activate in the distance, only for it to shut down seconds later?

Pele · July 2014

Isibis wrote: »

Is this issue confirmed to be Bot related, as opposed to nodes being laggy or failing to disappear for other reasons?
For instance, I noticed that the nodes that disappear when you get to them do not show keen eye glow, leading me to believe they are not normal nodes.

That's been my experience as well. I can easily tell a dud node if it has no Keen Eye glow.

Srugzal · July 2014

Natjur wrote: »

With the Line of Sight increase can see further then your shard. This means, the first 50 meters you see is your current shard, the next 50 could be your shard, or the underlining main shard.

This means if you see a rune at 100 meters away, it may NOT be in the shard that you are in. Run 50 meters forward, watch it disappear, take a few steps back, watch is reappear.

With lag and fast horses, this disappear may not happen until your 5-10 meters away, but next time you see one 'disappear' just before you harvest it, slowly back up (to about 50 meters) and see if you can see it 'redrawn back'. If it does, its was not taken by bots, its just not in your shard.

If you have the skill (Keen Eye), that gives nodes ' the glow', the glow is only ever added to nodes in your shard, so if it has no glow, don't bother, its not really there for you. I know added the 'glow' to runes is a waste as they show up so well anyway, it is useful to know which runes not to bother with (stops you wasting your time going for runes not in your shard)

Its not always the bots.

Thank you. This is the best explanation of this I have seen yet. I don't have Keen Eye on runes (it's hardly necessary) but I do on all of the other crafts, and I have never seen a glowing node disappear: it's only the non glowing ones that do. That leads me to believe this is correct. It's a non-obvious latency related shard synchronization issue. My guess is that the fix is non-trivial.

I don't get worked up about it.