Limited Deletes - I can control myself, thanks

amm7sb14_ESO · July 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

I just think they should just allow the deletes to accumulate over time beyond the limit of 3. It would be just as effective against bots if the limit was 10.

No, and there is literally no situation in which you should need to delete 3 characters in a day.

No, but there is literally no situation where YOU should be concerned about MY (or anyone else's) character creation and deletion habits.

amm7sb14_ESO · July 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

oh for the love of god.

I really don't care if your breton's abs don't sparkle the way they did in the character select screen. I haven't gotten a goldspam email since this change and have seen all of one bot.

I have used 3 deletes total, all in one day to clear out unused alts. If I had had to wait another day, or two, or three, or four, it would not have been a big deal.

On the flip side, I can just as easily say that I don't really care if you don't know how to ignore bots and control your e-mail inbox, I don't want my character management dictated by your inability to deal with spam and an ignore list.

Artemiisia · July 2014

you can make 8 chars, so if you made one that dont fit what you need and have no deletes left, make a new char, and wait until you can delete the other one u dont like.

nerevarine1138 · July 2014

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

I just think they should just allow the deletes to accumulate over time beyond the limit of 3. It would be just as effective against bots if the limit was 10.

No, and there is literally no situation in which you should need to delete 3 characters in a day.

No, but there is literally no situation where YOU should be concerned about MY (or anyone else's) character creation and deletion habits.

When your character deletion habits enable gold-sellers, I have a damn good reason for not wanting you to be able to delete a lot.

And I've never seen a vast difference in appearance between character creation and the game, so I don't buy that argument.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

oh for the love of god.

I really don't care if your breton's abs don't sparkle the way they did in the character select screen. I haven't gotten a goldspam email since this change and have seen all of one bot.

I have used 3 deletes total, all in one day to clear out unused alts. If I had had to wait another day, or two, or three, or four, it would not have been a big deal.

On the flip side, I can just as easily say that I don't really care if you don't know how to ignore bots and control your e-mail inbox, I don't want my character management dictated by your inability to deal with spam and an ignore list.

lol you obviously don't know how bots work. You have not seen the neverending streams of bots being spawned. I assure you, I ignore every bot that sends me mail and report them.

It has nothing to do with ignore. They have access to an unending supply of accounts. Do you think I just let them keep sending me mail while fuming and waving my fists? I guess we've all been doing that then,

amm7sb14_ESO · July 2014

Artemiisia wrote: »

you can make 8 chars, so if you made one that dont fit what you need and have no deletes left, make a new char, and wait until you can delete the other one u dont like.

Except if the first character was given the name you want, then you have to wait a full day to get a delete back to delete the character with the name you want.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

you can make 8 chars, so if you made one that dont fit what you need and have no deletes left, make a new char, and wait until you can delete the other one u dont like.

Except if the first character was given the name you want, then you have to wait a full day to get a delete back to delete the character with the name you want.

yes after looking at numerous warnings that you only had a limited number of deletes. [snip]
[edited for baiting]

amm7sb14_ESO · July 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

I just think they should just allow the deletes to accumulate over time beyond the limit of 3. It would be just as effective against bots if the limit was 10.

No, and there is literally no situation in which you should need to delete 3 characters in a day.

No, but there is literally no situation where YOU should be concerned about MY (or anyone else's) character creation and deletion habits.

When your character deletion habits enable gold-sellers, I have a damn good reason for not wanting you to be able to delete a lot.

And I've never seen a vast difference in appearance between character creation and the game, so I don't buy that argument.

Awww, the classic "I didn't experience it so it doesn't exist" post. Typical.

And my deletion habits enable nothing. My creation and deletion habits impact me and my account only, so it's really none of your business what I do with the characters on my account.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

I just think they should just allow the deletes to accumulate over time beyond the limit of 3. It would be just as effective against bots if the limit was 10.

No, and there is literally no situation in which you should need to delete 3 characters in a day.

No, but there is literally no situation where YOU should be concerned about MY (or anyone else's) character creation and deletion habits.

When your character deletion habits enable gold-sellers, I have a damn good reason for not wanting you to be able to delete a lot.

And I've never seen a vast difference in appearance between character creation and the game, so I don't buy that argument.

Awww, the classic "I didn't experience it so it doesn't exist" post. Typical.

And my deletion habits enable nothing. My creation and deletion habits impact me and my account only, so it's really none of your business what I do with the characters on my account.

I couldn't care less what you do with your character. I just don't want my play experience destroyed by bots. Things are working as intended.

amm7sb14_ESO · July 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

I just think they should just allow the deletes to accumulate over time beyond the limit of 3. It would be just as effective against bots if the limit was 10.

No, and there is literally no situation in which you should need to delete 3 characters in a day.

No, but there is literally no situation where YOU should be concerned about MY (or anyone else's) character creation and deletion habits.

When your character deletion habits enable gold-sellers, I have a damn good reason for not wanting you to be able to delete a lot.

And I've never seen a vast difference in appearance between character creation and the game, so I don't buy that argument.

Awww, the classic "I didn't experience it so it doesn't exist" post. Typical.

And my deletion habits enable nothing. My creation and deletion habits impact me and my account only, so it's really none of your business what I do with the characters on my account.

I couldn't care less what you do with your character. I just don't want my play experience destroyed by bots. Things are working as intended.

And I can say that I don't want MY play experience hampered because of your inability to manage an ignore list.

Tonturri · July 2014

@ All the people saying that you can see your character in char creation ,and that should be enough...

Sometimes (and don't go and tell me that this 'sometimes' isn't enough to change anything >:U Hmph!) it really isn't. On multiple occasions, I've found that the character in-game looks different from how it does in character creation. It's also hard to tell how the character will look in-game, considering character creation doesn't allow you to move the character around, to see how they walk/run/fight/etc.

For example, if you look at the idle stance of most(?) characters, I think it's the right hip (your right) that looks a little strange. Because the character is leaning one way, it's difficult to tell the shape of the hips at some points. I've also had a great amount of trouble with armor - my characters' backs seem to chance proportions when going from char creation screen 'novice armor', to char create 'vet armor', to soul shriven starter armor you get from that little satchel thing after the tutorial. Not to mention that lean makes it difficult - for me, anyway - to get some other proportions right.

Also taking into consideration bank/inventory space limits - being unable to delete a character could be problematic, if you have a decent amount of mules.

I have two characters I play at the moment, and one in waiting. I remade them all upwards of 3 times before I actually started leveling with them.

While I know it's a good (and effective!) way of combating bots, I still think the current system could use a /tiny/ bit of change and/or refinement. There was a post earlier about making the times you regain one 'delete' be more reasonable. I'm sure there are some other ways, but trying to stay on topic...

A function that is good for the same? Yes! Could it be better? Yes. Does it make me want to tear my hair out when I run into it regularly because I like making alts? It certainly does!

And I've never seen a vast difference in appearance between character creation and the game, so I don't buy that argument.

Just because you don't see it...you know how that sentence ends :P I have a character (had) I would swear had boobs that changed size depending on what she was wearing. Please keep in mind that not everyone has the same eyes as you.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

I just think they should just allow the deletes to accumulate over time beyond the limit of 3. It would be just as effective against bots if the limit was 10.

No, and there is literally no situation in which you should need to delete 3 characters in a day.

No, but there is literally no situation where YOU should be concerned about MY (or anyone else's) character creation and deletion habits.

When your character deletion habits enable gold-sellers, I have a damn good reason for not wanting you to be able to delete a lot.

And I've never seen a vast difference in appearance between character creation and the game, so I don't buy that argument.

Awww, the classic "I didn't experience it so it doesn't exist" post. Typical.

And my deletion habits enable nothing. My creation and deletion habits impact me and my account only, so it's really none of your business what I do with the characters on my account.

I couldn't care less what you do with your character. I just don't want my play experience destroyed by bots. Things are working as intended.

And I can say that I don't want MY play experience hampered because of your inability to manage an ignore list.

An I've explained to you clearly that ignore doesn't work. They continuously make new accounts, so I assume I have to preemptively ignore them? How should I do this.

Furthermore, even if that was possible, they would still exist in the game, causing the real problems which are taking up spawns and nodes and just generally making people unhappy.

If you had been playing when the bots were around, you would not be making such asinine statements.

aleister · July 2014

This is an effective compromise that, along with some other changes, has all but completely solved the bot problem while not significantly impacting players. I can see how someone might occasionally run into this if they are experimenting with different characters, but it's no issue at all for the vast majority. Well worth it.

Fleymark · July 2014

indytims_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Yep. To combat bots we are going to punish our paying customers.

While this is not a problem for me, I do understand that it is for a lot of people who test out looks and whatnot with the character creator. It is one of the bright spots in this game but like all other good things, it got nerfed.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all.

You can -see- your character just fine during creation. If that's not good enough... tough.

There is no 'punishment' in having this feature. Please dig deeper in order to find more to complain about, Mablung. You fail on this one.

No, you can't. Some things like body proportions aren't accurately rendered in the creation tool and you really don't know what it looks like or how it animates until you are actually in game with it.

Yet another example of inconveniencing the paying customer to "combat bots." Or her games do it just fine but, for some reason, this bunch just can't seem to handle doing it through substantial means, like automating sniffing out scripts like this or taking a fraction of the money we pay them and assigning staff to look for it. Even better, both. If this stupidity is how they combat bots then it should come as no surprise that they can't handle balancing the game and other basics. It's completely idiotic.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Fleymark · July 2014

The_Sadist wrote: »

Echoing everyone else, it's an awesome anti-botting measure.

If you seriously use up all your 8 slots, plus your daily deletes, and feel the need to point out this anti-measure is horrible for normal costumers.. Well you are definitely the 1%. It's one of the more reasonable anti-botting measures I've seen in all my years of gaming. It literally has next to no repercussions on an average gamer, I'm surprised this is even a topic.

ROFL. Classic "I have no problem so there is no problem" post.

As has been mentioned, the creation tool doesn't accurately render some things. You can't see animations and some body proportions don't look the sake as in game.

You don't speak for "the average gamer" and you have no idea what percentage of player this inconveniences.

I disagree. There is nothing reasonable about it. When you have used all of your slots, particularly because of the similarly idiotic inventory system, this limitation is a massive inconvenience.

Honestly, takes the cake as one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in a game. This ZOS bunch just keeps raising the bar on ridiculous. My credit card was removed from account several weeks ago because of other things on the list of BS about this game. Still debating if I'm going to stick around when it sunsets. Things like this don't help.

Guppet · July 2014

Maybe they could let you raise a ticket to get an extra delete. When it's raised a GM looks at you playing history to check for suspicious activity. If it finds non, you get an extra delete. If it finds some you get banned. Fair enough?

txfeinbergsub17_ESO · July 2014

adamrussell52_ESO wrote: »

Sorry but the gain here far outweighs the loss.

Completely agree. Since this was implemented, I have not seen one bot whereas before they were everywhere and pissing me off. Good move by ZoS.

Fleymark · July 2014

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Guppet wrote: »

Maybe they could let you raise a ticket to get an extra delete. When it's raised a GM looks at you playing history to check for suspicious activity. If it finds non, you get an extra delete. If it finds some you get banned. Fair enough?

I don't care what they do, just stop with the stupid inconveniences to the paying customer at every turn. I know a lot of people don't care to hear this, but combating botting falls under the category of "not my problem" yet this system makes it so.

If brick and mortar retail stores can manage to thwart shoplifting without frisking people coming in and out of the store, these amateurs can come up with something better than this. I don't care what it is, just leave me out of it. Because if I got frisked coming in and out of a store every time, I would stop giving them my business.

Which is what's about to happen here.

amm7sb14_ESO · July 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

I just think they should just allow the deletes to accumulate over time beyond the limit of 3. It would be just as effective against bots if the limit was 10.

No, and there is literally no situation in which you should need to delete 3 characters in a day.

No, but there is literally no situation where YOU should be concerned about MY (or anyone else's) character creation and deletion habits.

When your character deletion habits enable gold-sellers, I have a damn good reason for not wanting you to be able to delete a lot.

And I've never seen a vast difference in appearance between character creation and the game, so I don't buy that argument.

Awww, the classic "I didn't experience it so it doesn't exist" post. Typical.

And my deletion habits enable nothing. My creation and deletion habits impact me and my account only, so it's really none of your business what I do with the characters on my account.

I couldn't care less what you do with your character. I just don't want my play experience destroyed by bots. Things are working as intended.

And I can say that I don't want MY play experience hampered because of your inability to manage an ignore list.

An I've explained to you clearly that ignore doesn't work. They continuously make new accounts, so I assume I have to preemptively ignore them? How should I do this.

Furthermore, even if that was possible, they would still exist in the game, causing the real problems which are taking up spawns and nodes and just generally making people unhappy.

If you had been playing when the bots were around, you would not be making such asinine statements.

Actually, I WAS playing when bots were around, thank you very much.

I played in beta, I played at launch, I took a break, and I recently came back. So I know full well what the bot problem was. And as soon as I saw them in chat, or got messages from them, it was a simple "*right click*, *ignore*"

nerevarine1138 · July 2014

Guppet wrote: »

Maybe they could let you raise a ticket to get an extra delete. When it's raised a GM looks at you playing history to check for suspicious activity. If it finds non, you get an extra delete. If it finds some you get banned. Fair enough?

Waste of time.

So far, in this very thread, we have had a total of two people who claim that their "playstyle" requires the constant deletion of characters. First, that's not a playstyle. Second, the only people who regularly delete hordes of characters (or want to) are gold-sellers. They have a real reason.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

I just think they should just allow the deletes to accumulate over time beyond the limit of 3. It would be just as effective against bots if the limit was 10.

No, and there is literally no situation in which you should need to delete 3 characters in a day.

No, but there is literally no situation where YOU should be concerned about MY (or anyone else's) character creation and deletion habits.

When your character deletion habits enable gold-sellers, I have a damn good reason for not wanting you to be able to delete a lot.

And I've never seen a vast difference in appearance between character creation and the game, so I don't buy that argument.

Awww, the classic "I didn't experience it so it doesn't exist" post. Typical.

And my deletion habits enable nothing. My creation and deletion habits impact me and my account only, so it's really none of your business what I do with the characters on my account.

I couldn't care less what you do with your character. I just don't want my play experience destroyed by bots. Things are working as intended.

And I can say that I don't want MY play experience hampered because of your inability to manage an ignore list.

An I've explained to you clearly that ignore doesn't work. They continuously make new accounts, so I assume I have to preemptively ignore them? How should I do this.

Furthermore, even if that was possible, they would still exist in the game, causing the real problems which are taking up spawns and nodes and just generally making people unhappy.

If you had been playing when the bots were around, you would not be making such asinine statements.

Actually, I WAS playing when bots were around, thank you very much.

I played in beta, I played at launch, I took a break, and I recently came back. So I know full well what the bot problem was. And as soon as I saw them in chat, or got messages from them, it was a simple "*right click*, *ignore*"

Then you weren't experiencing the majority of what bots were doing. See they spam chat a little bit, send out one round of mail, and then they get banned. Sign up with stolen credit info and make another account. Of course, well more than one account is running at a time.

And I'm not even calculating in the damage to the player economy, or the disenfranchisement of new players.

Both of you can be inconvenienced until the cows come home as far as I am concerned. I'll take my no bots in the game, as will about 99% of players, tyvm.

Fleymark · July 2014

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amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

I just think they should just allow the deletes to accumulate over time beyond the limit of 3. It would be just as effective against bots if the limit was 10.

No, and there is literally no situation in which you should need to delete 3 characters in a day.

No, but there is literally no situation where YOU should be concerned about MY (or anyone else's) character creation and deletion habits.

When your character deletion habits enable gold-sellers, I have a damn good reason for not wanting you to be able to delete a lot.

And I've never seen a vast difference in appearance between character creation and the game, so I don't buy that argument.

Awww, the classic "I didn't experience it so it doesn't exist" post. Typical.

And my deletion habits enable nothing. My creation and deletion habits impact me and my account only, so it's really none of your business what I do with the characters on my account.

I couldn't care less what you do with your character. I just don't want my play experience destroyed by bots. Things are working as intended.

And I can say that I don't want MY play experience hampered because of your inability to manage an ignore list.

An I've explained to you clearly that ignore doesn't work. They continuously make new accounts, so I assume I have to preemptively ignore them? How should I do this.

Furthermore, even if that was possible, they would still exist in the game, causing the real problems which are taking up spawns and nodes and just generally making people unhappy.

If you had been playing when the bots were around, you would not be making such asinine statements.

Actually, I WAS playing when bots were around, thank you very much.

I played in beta, I played at launch, I took a break, and I recently came back. So I know full well what the bot problem was. And as soon as I saw them in chat, or got messages from them, it was a simple "*right click*, *ignore*"

Exactly.

This limitation is a far greater inconvenience to me than the bots ever were.

If it weren't for the fact that 5 of 8 of my slots are currently occupied by mules because of the idiotic inventory system, it wouldn't be as bad. But what we have in practicality, which is typical of this game apparently, is stupid compounding stupid.

It's like it never occurs to these people that there are paying customers playing their game.

amm7sb14_ESO · July 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

I just think they should just allow the deletes to accumulate over time beyond the limit of 3. It would be just as effective against bots if the limit was 10.

No, and there is literally no situation in which you should need to delete 3 characters in a day.

No, but there is literally no situation where YOU should be concerned about MY (or anyone else's) character creation and deletion habits.

When your character deletion habits enable gold-sellers, I have a damn good reason for not wanting you to be able to delete a lot.

And I've never seen a vast difference in appearance between character creation and the game, so I don't buy that argument.

Awww, the classic "I didn't experience it so it doesn't exist" post. Typical.

And my deletion habits enable nothing. My creation and deletion habits impact me and my account only, so it's really none of your business what I do with the characters on my account.

I couldn't care less what you do with your character. I just don't want my play experience destroyed by bots. Things are working as intended.

And I can say that I don't want MY play experience hampered because of your inability to manage an ignore list.

An I've explained to you clearly that ignore doesn't work. They continuously make new accounts, so I assume I have to preemptively ignore them? How should I do this.

Furthermore, even if that was possible, they would still exist in the game, causing the real problems which are taking up spawns and nodes and just generally making people unhappy.

If you had been playing when the bots were around, you would not be making such asinine statements.

Actually, I WAS playing when bots were around, thank you very much.

I played in beta, I played at launch, I took a break, and I recently came back. So I know full well what the bot problem was. And as soon as I saw them in chat, or got messages from them, it was a simple "*right click*, *ignore*"

Then you weren't experiencing the majority of what bots were doing. See they spam chat a little bit, send out one round of mail, and then they get banned. Sign up with stolen credit info and make another account. Of course, well more than one account is running at a time.

And I'm not even calculating in the damage to the player economy, or the disenfranchisement of new players.

Both of you can be inconvenienced until the cows come home as far as I am concerned. I'll take my no bots in the game, as will about 99% of players, tyvm.

Funny, because the inconvenience that you deem acceptable in character deletions is the inconvenience I deemed acceptable in bots. It was an annoyance, but nothing more. It never hampered my experience.

Also funny enough - I've played plenty of other MMO's that dealt with the spammer problem WITHOUT infringing on legitimate player's character management.

But it's okay, your chat box was filled with spammers that you couldn't ignore, that gives you and everyone else the right to butt into other player's character management habits, make generalizations about them, and just generally be rude to what they like to do with their character screen.

Guppet · July 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Maybe they could let you raise a ticket to get an extra delete. When it's raised a GM looks at you playing history to check for suspicious activity. If it finds non, you get an extra delete. If it finds some you get banned. Fair enough?

Waste of time.

So far, in this very thread, we have had a total of two people who claim that their "playstyle" requires the constant deletion of characters. First, that's not a playstyle. Second, the only people who regularly delete hordes of characters (or want to) are gold-sellers. They have a real reason.

That was kind of my point, the requests would be so few as gold sellers would not want the accounts looked at. With so few requests there's no point having an automated system, may as well let GM's do them as one offs, to keep em off the forums. They can say there is an option, which you can use if you are not a gold seller.

Gold sellers cant get any extra deleted, genuine customers that have what ever issues can.

Maverick827 · July 2014

The delete cap is an incredibly amateur solution from a software design perspective.

Fleymark · July 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

I just think they should just allow the deletes to accumulate over time beyond the limit of 3. It would be just as effective against bots if the limit was 10.

No, and there is literally no situation in which you should need to delete 3 characters in a day.

No, but there is literally no situation where YOU should be concerned about MY (or anyone else's) character creation and deletion habits.

When your character deletion habits enable gold-sellers, I have a damn good reason for not wanting you to be able to delete a lot.

And I've never seen a vast difference in appearance between character creation and the game, so I don't buy that argument.

Awww, the classic "I didn't experience it so it doesn't exist" post. Typical.

And my deletion habits enable nothing. My creation and deletion habits impact me and my account only, so it's really none of your business what I do with the characters on my account.

I couldn't care less what you do with your character. I just don't want my play experience destroyed by bots. Things are working as intended.

And I can say that I don't want MY play experience hampered because of your inability to manage an ignore list.

An I've explained to you clearly that ignore doesn't work. They continuously make new accounts, so I assume I have to preemptively ignore them? How should I do this.

Furthermore, even if that was possible, they would still exist in the game, causing the real problems which are taking up spawns and nodes and just generally making people unhappy.

If you had been playing when the bots were around, you would not be making such asinine statements.

Actually, I WAS playing when bots were around, thank you very much.

I played in beta, I played at launch, I took a break, and I recently came back. So I know full well what the bot problem was. And as soon as I saw them in chat, or got messages from them, it was a simple "*right click*, *ignore*"

Then you weren't experiencing the majority of what bots were doing. See they spam chat a little bit, send out one round of mail, and then they get banned. Sign up with stolen credit info and make another account. Of course, well more than one account is running at a time.

And I'm not even calculating in the damage to the player economy, or the disenfranchisement of new players.

Both of you can be inconvenienced until the cows come home as far as I am concerned. I'll take my no bots in the game, as will about 99% of players, tyvm.

Again, not my problem. It's not my job to join the fight against botters. I'm not an employee or a beta tester. Sorry. And, yes, I experienced all of that. Ignore is easy. Deleting an email is easy. Having to wait days to play a toon is not.

And, again, you don't speak for anyone but yourself. You have no idea what percentage of player is inconvenienced or not by this. Message board participation is zero indication of what most players think.

People ending their billing when they reach their threshold with the typical stupid on top of stupid in this game has more of an impact on you and the game in general than botters ever did or will. A problem, I might add, was only as bad as it was because of the particular design of the game client.

Fleymark · July 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

The delete cap is an incredibly amateur solution from a software design perspective.

Brevity not being my strong suit, you sir summed up my entire point perfectly.

nerevarine1138 · July 2014

Fleymark wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

The delete cap is an incredibly amateur solution from a software design perspective.

Brevity not being my strong suit, you sir summed up my entire point perfectly.

So far, it's the most effective solution I've seen. Blizzard didn't have spam under control to this degree years into their game.

amm7sb14_ESO · July 2014

WoW is on a whole different level. I have never in my life had a WoW account and I still get spam from them.

amm7sb14_ESO · July 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

The delete cap is an incredibly amateur solution from a software design perspective.

Brevity not being my strong suit, you sir summed up my entire point perfectly.

So far, it's the most effective solution I've seen. Blizzard didn't have spam under control to this degree years into their game.

But I disagree. I have seen the bot / spammer problem taken care of in a lot of MMO's without going into legitimate player character creation habits to do so.