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Do you think ESO features (e.g.difficulty) should be decided by the majority of the players?
Kos
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Is majority right? If you think not please explain why.
Edited by Kos on July 26, 2014 4:03PM Do you think ESO features (e.g.difficulty) should be decided by the majority of the players? 168 votes
Yes
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28 votes
No
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's a far more complex subject than this poll shows options for, so I'm not voting.
Sometimes the majority is right, sometimes the majority is wrong, and sometimes the question is wrong to begin with.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Kos✭✭✭NoI think not because not all players have enough knowledge and experience(for instance I don't think I do).1
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NorthernFury✭✭✭✭NoNo. Because
Edited by NorthernFury on July 26, 2014 4:11PM
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoMost people are idiots. Ergo, most players are too.
We're not developers. We don't do this for a living. Let the developers make the game they want to make, and trust that it will be something enjoyable. Focus groups, polls, etc. are the death of good art.----
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Kos✭✭✭NoAlexDougherty wrote: »It's a far more complex subject than this poll shows options for, so I'm not voting.
Sometimes the majority is right, sometimes the majority is wrong, and sometimes the question is wrong to begin with.
Thanks for the comment Alex. I bet sometimes they are right, but how can we tell when?0 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Most people are idiots. Ergo, most players are too.
Yes, but even idiots are right sometimes.
Which is why I said it's far more complex than the poll is depicting.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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Kos✭✭✭No
I dont think most players are idiots, we don'tknow that. Please refrain from insulting others and let's have a friendly discussion.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Most people are idiots. Ergo, most players are too.
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No
I dont think most players are idiots, we don'tknow that. Please refrain from insulting others and let's have a friendly discussion.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Most people are idiots. Ergo, most players are too.
That's not an insult directed at anyone. It's a fact of life. To quote the Citizen Kane of our generation (Men In Black): "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."
Popular acclaim never created good art. Period.----
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Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭The majority might not be ready to decide on it , that simple.
Only zen knows how many are actually playing the VR content for example , how many of the majority they really represent?
One way or the other , when something is really out of place , tons will come to the forums to complain, that is the reason the content got changed to what it is now , tons were complaining it was too hard. In reallity it was just too badly balanced , but it is easier to nerf everything than it is to work case by case rebalancing the content."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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SueGale✭✭No. IF you polled every single player individually... a very hesitant maybe. What shows up on forums is not even close to the whole player population.
But, game companies DO make decisions based on what the population wants. They monitor ingame what folks partake of and what parts they ignore and make decisions accordingly.0 -
dennissomb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭YesIn a sense it is. Developers will make changes based on subscriptions, feedback, etc. They all do it to a point. However forum feedback is a tiny tiny part of the overall feedback ( I know us forum trolls think we represent a majority, but not even close)
Having said that, only the developers can make real decisions based on technology, their code, resources, etc. and of course their view of what they want the game to be0 -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoNo.
All it would take to ruin the game would be one time when people skipped voting on another open world ffa pvp poll. What the devs are doing now seems to be working. They are working on adding content, and getting the group and solo stuff out. They seem to be hitting the difficulty about right. Having some of the posters here deciding on how difficult something should be? No thanks. There are those extreme ones who still wouldn't be satisfied with the difficulty is set at "when you die the game deletes your character, all your saves, and reformats your hard drive immediately" level.0 -
Caroloces✭✭✭✭✭NoI voted no because I think there are a lot of mature, experienced players who understand the mechanics of this type of gameplay more so than the average player. I feel very comfortable with developers consulting with such players to determine correct settings for the game. For example, I believe the Tamriel Foundry guild has been involved in such consultations, and having used their websites and followed their tutorials and videos, I sense that they have a great grasp, not only of MMO mechanics, but with the Elder Scrolls tradition.
I worry about the game losing its challenge because of those players coasting through the content, not taking the time to learn the skills of their characters, and then complaining when they get wiped over and over again.1 -
Kinsaven✭✭✭NoNo, because players are often very opinionated but not knowledgeable enough to decide on features of a game, especially key features. Not to mention that there is often a bandwagon effect, where players will vote on the most popular choice or opinion just because it's the most popular, whilst not even really knowing what it's all about.1 -
ItsGlaive✭✭✭✭✭
✭The problem is, the majority don't always know what they want until they see it. Then of course there's 'group think' to take into account which can affect mass opinion on any range of topics.
As for difficulty, Sagey has already said that the nerf and other changes came as a direct result of feedback on the forums. They are listening, they just might not always agree with the ideas they receive.Allow cross-platform transfers and merges2 -
drkeys143✭✭✭NoNo, for most of the reasons already stated, whether I love or hate something in game, I would not like to think it had been forced on me by a vocal part of the player base, I realise that my likes are someone else's dislikes, and vice versa of course.
Would rather leave it to the devs to make the game they want.1 -
Dayel✭✭✭NoNo, because if the majority of players voted on the difficulty, I bet it would become so easy that even I would get bored, and that would be very easy. I think the hard core overestimates greatly their numbers in the game.0 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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I dont think most players are idiots, we don'tknow that. Please refrain from insulting others and let's have a friendly discussion.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Most people are idiots. Ergo, most players are too.
yea sorry but most players are morons, (no I'm not saying you are, I don't know you.) They also don't generally actually know what they want. Look how much conjecture there has been on some potentially wonderful features that has people threatening to unsub over them. They haven't even tried it out on pts or even know the full details. I don't feel like the players are truly capable of knowing what will make them happy until they receive it (and then they will complain anyway.)
Plus, if you ever listen to /zone when people are having a political or philosophical discussion... it's mind-blowingly stupid. Makes one wonder what our public schools are actually teaching.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
Kos✭✭✭NoInterestingly, minority of the responders think majority should decide about the game features. I think in this case they wish developers went with the minority. I have a headache.0
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Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The Majority of Who?
People who come to the forums or the people who play the game and complain or the people who play the game and are happy with it and see no reason to comment one way or the other?
Edited by Nestor on July 26, 2014 7:02PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Kos✭✭✭NoThe Majority of Who?
People who come to the forums or the people who play the game and complain or the people who play the game and are happy with it and see no reason to comment one way or the other?
It says majority of the players which means all players and not only those who visit forums.0 -
Saerydoth✭✭✭✭NoNo. Most players are not knowledgeable enough to design a game. There's nothing wrong with providing feedback, but the final say should come from the designers.
Game design by majority vote will always turn out to be a disaster. Cataclysm is what happens when game designers listen to the player base TOO much. Cataclysm is basically a laundry list of all the suggestions players gave Blizzard over the years, collected into an expansion.Edited by Saerydoth on July 26, 2014 7:05PM1 -
Falmer✭✭✭✭NoAh yes... the Tyranny of the Majority. A popular concept use by despots and dictators who like to cloak their oppressive natures by hiding it behind the "will" of the people.
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Logan9a✭✭✭NoWell, I don't consider myself all that competent of player however
Watching a lot of the people fight is like watching a bunch of mentally handicapped monkeys trying to hump a door handle.
Initially funny but it eventually just makes you sad.Edited by Logan9a on July 26, 2014 7:42PM1 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It says majority of the players which means all players and not only those who visit forums.
Out of those three groups, who are you going to get the most feedback from? The complainers. So, the game gets changed for them, and it makes it worse for the majority who were liking things the way that they are.
Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Taz✭✭✭NoNot in an official sense, no. I think the devs should take into account much of the feedback received from players, but implement or not implement them based on their best judgment.0
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoI don't think the majority should decide for all, but I am not opposed to individual
chosen difficulty settings.Edited by TequilaFire on July 26, 2014 7:45PM1 -
Phantax✭✭✭✭✭
✭I didn't vote because as some already said the answer is not so black and white.
However in a way Zenimax are already allowing us to decide. They have to make a game that appeals to the masses not the minority, hence the majority of their decisions will in some way be based on what we(the players) want.
They just have to do it in a way that is also fair and balanced for all groups within the player-base.
At the end of the day they are a company in this to make money, making a game we all hate is not good business. Take the latest Battlefield game for example, that's just been pulled from release due to the fact all the focus groups/beta testers hated it !
At least we have an up and running game that is for most parts, very good indeed !
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