So when's Dragon's Blood getting nerfed?

Luvsfuzzybunnies · July 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I will settle for bringing everyone down to my level. What do you want me to say? What would be the unbiased response? NBs are in fact the weakest class so whatever direction everyone is going, they ultimately will either go up or be the standard.

Ha ha stop it, you're killing me!

Weakest class in what? NBs have the best burst damage, the best sustainable damage currently on a par with DKs (~1.1k on trial bosses), a mixture of ranged and melee skills, as well a decent escape method for when things turn sour.

NBs are currently slightly better than Sorcs and well, well above Templars who can really only get in PvE or PvP groups as healers.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Even if I wasn't a NB I would say that.

Sure you would. And I'm the Pope

you're right because only NBs have a mixture of range and melee skills.

DKs aren't, iirc, the best DPS, they are just very good. That means NB, specifically tuned for single-target dps, is sharing the number two spot with the tank, who should be the lowest dps along with the healer, but most trial groups will turn you down as a nightblade regardless.

lol at NBs being better than sorc.

Not all of us actually have some sort of agenda, btw. I wouldn't even care that my class was weaker if it wasn't so ridiculous. It shouldn't take a small group of people to take out a DK who is using zero skill and just dropping banner/spamming GDB over and over.

Only NBs and Templars have a mixture of melee and ranged skills and the NB skills are much, much better. If you see no benefit from having a mixture of skills over Sorcs who only have ranged or DKs who have only melee then what can I can say really?

I didn't say all of you (plural) have an agenda, I said you (singular) have an agenda that I can see clear as day in your posts. And I've also quite clearly stated why I think so. The fact you keep saying your class is ridiculously underpowered further supports my argument, not yours.

You can lol all you want about NBs being better than Sorcs but it doesn't make it any less true. The inferior DPS of the Sorc was not so much of an issue in PvP while BE (which did need a "adjustment") would at least give him an escape, but that's no longer true. Currently NBs can out DPS, out-sustain, out-survive sorcs. Not that Sorcs are useless, they are great. It's just that NBs are better.

DKs were not designed to be just tanks, that's your assumption. They were designed to be melee DPS too. Melee DPS should be higher than ranged DPS to make up for the increased risk taken. So currently the two classes that can melee DPS post similar overall DPS. Which is balance I'd say.

You think it takes small army to take down a DK. I can show you videos of well-played DKs dying 1v1 against other classes. Though Scales do give them a huge advantage over Sorcs.

A DK under a banner spamming GDB is in fact going to survive less time than a NB under VoB spamming Grand Healing and do less DPS too (VoB does higher DoT tick than Standard). But never let bad play get in the way of a sensationalist statement like "it takes a small army to kill a DK, under a banner, spamming GDB"

I enjoy the conversation though. Exposes the bias more and more with every post

So veil of blades reduces damage taken by 30% and increases damage dealt by 30% as well. If you would rather maybe we could ask them to switch veil with standard maybe that's the solution here. Keep the activated abilities the same though shackle for standard and lifestealing attack for veil. Lets be real standard is on its own power level only rivaled by the power level of maybe bat swarm and negate magic.

Wifeaggro13 · July 2014

couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »

Daethz wrote: »

STOP BALANCING CLASS ABILITYS AROUND THE OP DESTRUCTION STAFF.

When will we see nerfs to dragons blood? Hopefully never! When will we see buffs to stamina builds? Hopefully they shut down the servers RIGHT NOW and do it, because its that important.

That first sentance, QFT. You all keep begging for Nerfs based on this Cloth and Staff system. Once they finally fix Cloth and Staff half these classes will be totally crippled from all of these freaking Nerfs.

This absolutely 1000% true. ZOS has ,shall we say, screwed the pooch with their nerf hard fix in increments. people are complaining about Dk survive ability. Its the only thing we have. We dont get a 300% execute. We dont get any type of escape. we dont have any ranged magica abilities. the whole class was based on utility and survivability. ZOS poorly tested their end game so when the DK playing community figured out we could produce Sorc DPS in a dress and stick and have all the benefits of magica and Crit, plus have maxed armor and spam banners . (which is only doable with a Light armor stave build) The player population flocked to them. people complained in PVP theywere getting killed by them. do you know why your getting killed by them? Because 75 % of the population in cyrodil was a flippingDK!.

I really dont give a crap anymore i long since Rerolled a sorc for tanking it destroys the DK as far as Tanking abilities go. produces way better trash AOE and trash management . the survivability is better because of Aegis and storm armor and you retain the best all around non ultimate DPS . ZOS is directly responsible for this mess lack of experience, poor post launch management. has destroyed the games balance even further. Ive already canceled my sub and wont return until they have actual balance, end game itemized(it's not itemized you can clear Shada the hardest 4 man delve in game and get items to break down for mats. same with COH).The end game is a god damn mess trials are just horribly implemented. Forcing guilds to reform and restart the raid after 3 wipes is [snip] stupid. Its a clear that from VR ranks to content they knew the game was broken and unfinished and they put time sinks like these to stop the community from getting to it.

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Trayyacakes · July 2014

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I will settle for bringing everyone down to my level. What do you want me to say? What would be the unbiased response? NBs are in fact the weakest class so whatever direction everyone is going, they ultimately will either go up or be the standard.

Ha ha stop it, you're killing me!

Weakest class in what? NBs have the best burst damage, the best sustainable damage currently on a par with DKs (~1.1k on trial bosses), a mixture of ranged and melee skills, as well a decent escape method for when things turn sour.

NBs are currently slightly better than Sorcs and well, well above Templars who can really only get in PvE or PvP groups as healers.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Even if I wasn't a NB I would say that.

Sure you would. And I'm the Pope

you're right because only NBs have a mixture of range and melee skills.

DKs aren't, iirc, the best DPS, they are just very good. That means NB, specifically tuned for single-target dps, is sharing the number two spot with the tank, who should be the lowest dps along with the healer, but most trial groups will turn you down as a nightblade regardless.

lol at NBs being better than sorc.

Not all of us actually have some sort of agenda, btw. I wouldn't even care that my class was weaker if it wasn't so ridiculous. It shouldn't take a small group of people to take out a DK who is using zero skill and just dropping banner/spamming GDB over and over.

Only NBs and Templars have a mixture of melee and ranged skills and the NB skills are much, much better. If you see no benefit from having a mixture of skills over Sorcs who only have ranged or DKs who have only melee then what can I can say really?

I didn't say all of you (plural) have an agenda, I said you (singular) have an agenda that I can see clear as day in your posts. And I've also quite clearly stated why I think so. The fact you keep saying your class is ridiculously underpowered further supports my argument, not yours.

You can lol all you want about NBs being better than Sorcs but it doesn't make it any less true. The inferior DPS of the Sorc was not so much of an issue in PvP while BE (which did need a "adjustment") would at least give him an escape, but that's no longer true. Currently NBs can out DPS, out-sustain, out-survive sorcs. Not that Sorcs are useless, they are great. It's just that NBs are better.

DKs were not designed to be just tanks, that's your assumption. They were designed to be melee DPS too. Melee DPS should be higher than ranged DPS to make up for the increased risk taken. So currently the two classes that can melee DPS post similar overall DPS. Which is balance I'd say.

You think it takes small army to take down a DK. I can show you videos of well-played DKs dying 1v1 against other classes. Though Scales do give them a huge advantage over Sorcs.

A DK under a banner spamming GDB is in fact going to survive less time than a NB under VoB spamming Grand Healing and do less DPS too (VoB does higher DoT tick than Standard). But never let bad play get in the way of a sensationalist statement like "it takes a small army to kill a DK, under a banner, spamming GDB"

I enjoy the conversation though. Exposes the bias more and more with every post

So veil of blades reduces damage taken by 30% and increases damage dealt by 30% as well. If you would rather maybe we could ask them to switch veil with standard maybe that's the solution here. Keep the activated abilities the same though shackle for standard and lifestealing attack for veil. Lets be real standard is on its own power level only rivaled by the power level of maybe bat swarm and negate magic.

I hope you aren't a Night Blade because if you are you just proved you know nothing about your own class.

Veil does not allow a life steal synergy it allows a group stealth synergy. Soul shred is the life steal synergy. Veil reduces the damage your teammates take while inside of it by 30%, and reduces the damage the caster takes by 60%. It also snares enemies inside of it by 70%. It does more damage than standard does.

Standard doesn't increase your damage and reduce damage taken by 30% anymore. That got nerfed down to 20%.

Also If you aren't aware, you can pop veil of blades stand inside it and pop annulment, and you will take 0 damage from magicka spells. Oh and as for heals you have strife and its morphs which give you a small HOT, Refreshing path which is another small HOT, and Sap essence that if it hits enough enemies, and you have the right stats heals you for close to 400 as well as 5 allies near you. Basically If you wear Light armor and sword and board like these "unkillable" DKs do, you will be near unkillable too. What am I missing about how terrible Night Blades are?

Night Blades are a great class. Some of their passives are broken, and some of their skills don't work right/are broken. That isn't a balance issue. That is ZOS just needing to fix broken things.

Mr.Turtlesworth · July 2014

How about no.
Templars have a good heal, NBs have invisible move, sorcerer has bolt escape and op damage, so dragonknight gets this.

Wifeaggro13 · July 2014

TheBull wrote: »

It's pretty stupid as it stands. Didn't Wheeler say, "DKs still have too much survivability" about a month ago?

Update please!

What class do you play? Ill gladly trade my GDB for a 300% ranged damage execute . Its only usable one time and dimisnishes with multiple uses. if your dying to a DK because of GDB its because your not good at PVP not because that one *** ability. I never use it in PVP or PVE, why?. because there are healers and i dont need to heal myself and blow my magica on that.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

I like how willing you guys are to trade one of your ridiculous abilities (that would be fine if not combined with the whole package I guess) for another ability that would further tip the rest of your abilities over the top.

I will, by the way, happily trade VoB for banner. I love VoB, but banner is nuts.

Furthermore, you're just deflecting cherry-picking these skills when you know the real issue is your skills combined with one another make you effective at everything, (except escaping, but you don't usually have to anyway.)

Your only option seems to be telling other people they don't know their class, yet I have yet to see any of you give reasonable and effective ways to take out a DK.

If we suck so bad, then school us. Show us the light.

A NB popped in here and gave the ONLY effective way he had for dealing with a DK, and it required fast timing and very situational abilities regardless of the effort the DK was putting in. I would bet fairly good money it would fall flat on a lot of vr12 DKs.

Now if the problem is light armor/staff, then why isn't EVERYONE as ridiculous with light armor/staff. I run with that set up sometimes, and I assure you, I am not owning multiple people at once with minimal effort.

Obscure · July 2014

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »

hk11 wrote: »

It's a PvE game with one battleground. Why would you want to destroy the class to service the one battleground?

Because to these people, the one Battleground is the entire game. Who cares how badly all these nerfs ruin DK's in other aspects of the game, as long as they can just spam blast the DK dead like everyone else.

right because DKs are totally balanced in pve.

The only difference is other people aren't competing against you to notice how ridiculous you are.

a DK's entire purpose in this game, basically, is to take a crap ton of damage and CC. That is basically all they are good for, as far as 1h/s goes. Just like how Templar's are insanely OP with Heals, but no one cares about, because it's not stopping ppl from spam bursting ppl dead. I get the impression DK was mainly designed with "Tank" in mind, but lets all just complain about how that's unfair that they have survive-ability bonuses by design, and make sure to ignore all the other Classes that are OP in -something-, but get ignored because DK's aren't pathetic enough yet.

The survivability isnt the problem its the insane burst and resource management coupled with all their survivability...

I've been playing DK since before launch and have yet to find insane magicka resource management skills or passives for the class. Which is what GDB requires to be casted.

Me thinks you have a problem with Light Armor not with Dragonknights.

Wifeaggro13 · July 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I like how willing you guys are to trade one of your ridiculous abilities (that would be fine if not combined with the whole package I guess) for another ability that would further tip the rest of your abilities over the top.

I will, by the way, happily trade VoB for banner. I love VoB, but banner is nuts.

Furthermore, you're just deflecting cherry-picking these skills when you know the real issue is your skills combined with one another make you effective at everything, (except escaping, but you don't usually have to anyway.)

Your only option seems to be telling other people they don't know their class, yet I have yet to see any of you give reasonable and effective ways to take out a DK.

If we suck so bad, then school us. Show us the light.

A NB popped in here and gave the ONLY effective way he had for dealing with a DK, and it required fast timing and very situational abilities regardless of the effort the DK was putting in. I would bet fairly good money it would fall flat on a lot of vr12 DKs.

Now if the problem is light armor/staff, then why isn't EVERYONE as ridiculous with light armor/staff. I run with that set up sometimes, and I assure you, I am not owning multiple people at once with minimal effort.

Do you play a DK? Do you play one in anything but light armor and staff? . Yes DK in light armor and staff is pretty damn good due to the fact it builds ultimate very very fast and that banner can be dropped over and over its ridiculous in PVP. the DPs is not coming from anything else but a passive 161 per second for 17 seconds and implulse. GDB is usefull in PVP the surviveability comes from spiked armor. But from your statement you clearly dont PVE. there is a game outside of Cyrodil partner. not everything is based on the E peen of how many people i killed in PVP.And for PVE a NB in dress and stick does more ST DPS then a DK and heals way better in a healing spec. Personaly i dont give [snip] rats ass anymore i rerolled a sorc it does everything better then a DK. And this is my last sub cycle im done until they fix the [snip] game its broke beyond belief in PVE too your just too damn lazy or uninterested in anything other then your tiny little PVP world. Take GDB away lol you will still die. Why? because all the builds for every class are broken outside of a caster spec and two of the classes are non fucntioning NB and templar. Not because the DK is overpowered. if you PVE end game you would know this. If you did any research you would know some NB passives are not working as intended as well as some of the class actives.

DK in heavy armor or medium is useless in PVE and there is one spec in PVE light armor an staff. And that it is strictly DPS. none of the DK's abilities but banner and AOE generation which comes form Destruction staff are even used.maybe some of ardent flame.nerf the Dk to nothing still wont fix your Broken class nor will it compensate for poor skill

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smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I like how willing you guys are to trade one of your ridiculous abilities (that would be fine if not combined with the whole package I guess) for another ability that would further tip the rest of your abilities over the top.

I will, by the way, happily trade VoB for banner. I love VoB, but banner is nuts.

Furthermore, you're just deflecting cherry-picking these skills when you know the real issue is your skills combined with one another make you effective at everything, (except escaping, but you don't usually have to anyway.)

Your only option seems to be telling other people they don't know their class, yet I have yet to see any of you give reasonable and effective ways to take out a DK.

If we suck so bad, then school us. Show us the light.

A NB popped in here and gave the ONLY effective way he had for dealing with a DK, and it required fast timing and very situational abilities regardless of the effort the DK was putting in. I would bet fairly good money it would fall flat on a lot of vr12 DKs.

Now if the problem is light armor/staff, then why isn't EVERYONE as ridiculous with light armor/staff. I run with that set up sometimes, and I assure you, I am not owning multiple people at once with minimal effort.

Do you play a DK? Do you play one in anything but light armor and staff? . Yes DK in light armor and staff is pretty damn good due to the fact it builds ultimate very very fast and that banner can be dropped over and over its ridiculous in PVP. the DPs is not coming from anything else but a passive 161 per second for 17 seconds and implulse. GDB is usefull in PVP the surviveability comes from spiked armor. But from your statement you clearly dont PVE. there is a game outside of Cyrodil partner. not everything is based on the E peen of how many people i killed in PVP.And for PVE a NB in dress and stick does more ST DPS then a DK and heals way better in a healing spec. Personaly i dont give [snip] rats ass anymore i rerolled a sorc it does everything better then a DK. And this is my last sub cycle im done until they fix the [snip] game its broke beyond belief in PVE too your just too damn lazy or uninterested in anything other then your tiny little PVP world. Take GDB away lol you will still die. Why? because all the builds for every class are broken outside of a caster spec and two of the classes are non fucntioning NB and templar. Not because the DK is overpowered. if you PVE end game you would know this. If you did any research you would know some NB passives are not working as intended as well as some of the class actives.

DK in heavy armor or medium is useless in PVE and there is one spec in PVE light armor an staff. And that it is strictly DPS. none of the DK's abilities but banner and AOE generation which comes form Destruction staff are even used.maybe some of ardent flame.nerf the Dk to nothing still wont fix your Broken class nor will it compensate for poor skill

this is too much to read since what I did read had a bunch of anger and rage.

I do pve. I am currently missing an unknown quest in malabol tor, and then I will be champion of all factions. I have done every quest I have been able to find.

DKs get things handed to them in pve too. I seriously doubt the advantage gained in pvp aren't bleeding out to pve. If anything, stuff is probably easier in pve. The reason you don't think it's easy because you aren't competing directly against other players in a way that measures their success versus your own.

Either way, I care more about balance in pvp, not if some carebear can faceroll 5 mobs at a time or not.

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Durham · July 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I like how willing you guys are to trade one of your ridiculous abilities (that would be fine if not combined with the whole package I guess) for another ability that would further tip the rest of your abilities over the top.

I will, by the way, happily trade VoB for banner. I love VoB, but banner is nuts.

Furthermore, you're just deflecting cherry-picking these skills when you know the real issue is your skills combined with one another make you effective at everything, (except escaping, but you don't usually have to anyway.)

Your only option seems to be telling other people they don't know their class, yet I have yet to see any of you give reasonable and effective ways to take out a DK.

If we suck so bad, then school us. Show us the light.

A NB popped in here and gave the ONLY effective way he had for dealing with a DK, and it required fast timing and very situational abilities regardless of the effort the DK was putting in. I would bet fairly good money it would fall flat on a lot of vr12 DKs.

Now if the problem is light armor/staff, then why isn't EVERYONE as ridiculous with light armor/staff. I run with that set up sometimes, and I assure you, I am not owning multiple people at once with minimal effort.

They are.... you must not solo much...... i have seen some nasty NBs using light and reslo staff... My friend runs a shield/resto NB i have seen him drop multiples in one fight... OMG a solo Temp is crazy right now.. I think the skill curve is higher wiith both NB and Temp in this set up ...but once you master it you are nutz... I refer you to the 100k duels found on utibe this is high end rvr....

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

Durham wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I like how willing you guys are to trade one of your ridiculous abilities (that would be fine if not combined with the whole package I guess) for another ability that would further tip the rest of your abilities over the top.

I will, by the way, happily trade VoB for banner. I love VoB, but banner is nuts.

Furthermore, you're just deflecting cherry-picking these skills when you know the real issue is your skills combined with one another make you effective at everything, (except escaping, but you don't usually have to anyway.)

Your only option seems to be telling other people they don't know their class, yet I have yet to see any of you give reasonable and effective ways to take out a DK.

If we suck so bad, then school us. Show us the light.

A NB popped in here and gave the ONLY effective way he had for dealing with a DK, and it required fast timing and very situational abilities regardless of the effort the DK was putting in. I would bet fairly good money it would fall flat on a lot of vr12 DKs.

Now if the problem is light armor/staff, then why isn't EVERYONE as ridiculous with light armor/staff. I run with that set up sometimes, and I assure you, I am not owning multiple people at once with minimal effort.

They are.... you must not solo much...... i have seen some nasty NBs using light and reslo staff... My friend runs a shield/resto NB i have seen him drop multiples in one fight... OMG a solo Temp is crazy right now.. I think the skill curve is higher wiith both NB and Temp in this set up ...but once you master it you are nutz... I refer you to the 100k duels found on utibe this is high end rvr....

duels are not real combat.

I'm sure DKs can hold their own, nay more than hold their own, and would continue to be able to do so if there were changes to make them somewhat balanced, or at least make them vulnerable to groups of 3 or less.

Durham · July 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I like how willing you guys are to trade one of your ridiculous abilities (that would be fine if not combined with the whole package I guess) for another ability that would further tip the rest of your abilities over the top.

I will, by the way, happily trade VoB for banner. I love VoB, but banner is nuts.

Furthermore, you're just deflecting cherry-picking these skills when you know the real issue is your skills combined with one another make you effective at everything, (except escaping, but you don't usually have to anyway.)

Your only option seems to be telling other people they don't know their class, yet I have yet to see any of you give reasonable and effective ways to take out a DK.

If we suck so bad, then school us. Show us the light.

A NB popped in here and gave the ONLY effective way he had for dealing with a DK, and it required fast timing and very situational abilities regardless of the effort the DK was putting in. I would bet fairly good money it would fall flat on a lot of vr12 DKs.

Now if the problem is light armor/staff, then why isn't EVERYONE as ridiculous with light armor/staff. I run with that set up sometimes, and I assure you, I am not owning multiple people at once with minimal effort.

Do you play a DK? Do you play one in anything but light armor and staff? . Yes DK in light armor and staff is pretty damn good due to the fact it builds ultimate very very fast and that banner can be dropped over and over its ridiculous in PVP. the DPs is not coming from anything else but a passive 161 per second for 17 seconds and implulse. GDB is usefull in PVP the surviveability comes from spiked armor. But from your statement you clearly dont PVE. there is a game outside of Cyrodil partner. not everything is based on the E peen of how many people i killed in PVP.And for PVE a NB in dress and stick does more ST DPS then a DK and heals way better in a healing spec. Personaly i dont give F ing rats ass anymore i rerolled a sorc it does everything better then a DK. And this is my last sub cycle im done until they fix the F ing game its broke beyond belief in PVE too your just too damn lazy or uninterested in anything other then your tiny little PVP world. Take GDB away lol you will still die. Why? because all the builds for every class are broken outside of a caster spec and two of the classes are non fucntioning NB and templar. Not because the DK is overpowered. if you PVE end game you would know this. If you did any research you would know some NB passives are not working as intended as well as some of the class actives.

DK in heavy armor or medium is useless in PVE and there is one spec in PVE light armor an staff. And that it is strictly DPS. none of the DK's abilities but banner and AOE generation which comes form Destruction staff are even used.maybe some of ardent flame.nerf the Dk to nothing still wont fix your Broken class nor will it compensate for poor skill

this is too much to read since what I did read had a bunch of anger and rage.

I do pve. I am currently missing an unknown quest in malabol tor, and then I will be champion of all factions. I have done every quest I have been able to find.

DKs get things handed to them in pve too. I seriously doubt the advantage gained in pvp aren't bleeding out to pve. If anything, stuff is probably easier in pve. The reason you don't think it's easy because you aren't competing directly against other players in a way that measures their success versus your own.

Either way, I care more about balance in pvp, not if some carebear can faceroll 5 mobs at a time or not.

DK have no class range
DK have no escape
DK have only one single target burst DPS flame whip THIS RECIEVED A BOOST AND A NERF AT THE SAME TIME.. increased damage but a longer cool down..

Yes they are hard to take down at times...If they have ults up they can be a
handful ...however they have no where to go ... A NB can easily wipe a DK within 3 secs from stealth..with a friend.. have personaly been zapped by 1 NB in 4 sec before the stun is gone...

SEE YOU HAVE A HARD STUN...and marked 60 secs target... and if you get in trouble disapear... Give me a break...Sorcs hate NBs the most for a reason lol...

The DK is more of an AOE class but every ability has been nerfed recently... The grass is not greener anymore lol...

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

Durham wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I like how willing you guys are to trade one of your ridiculous abilities (that would be fine if not combined with the whole package I guess) for another ability that would further tip the rest of your abilities over the top.

I will, by the way, happily trade VoB for banner. I love VoB, but banner is nuts.

Furthermore, you're just deflecting cherry-picking these skills when you know the real issue is your skills combined with one another make you effective at everything, (except escaping, but you don't usually have to anyway.)

Your only option seems to be telling other people they don't know their class, yet I have yet to see any of you give reasonable and effective ways to take out a DK.

If we suck so bad, then school us. Show us the light.

A NB popped in here and gave the ONLY effective way he had for dealing with a DK, and it required fast timing and very situational abilities regardless of the effort the DK was putting in. I would bet fairly good money it would fall flat on a lot of vr12 DKs.

Now if the problem is light armor/staff, then why isn't EVERYONE as ridiculous with light armor/staff. I run with that set up sometimes, and I assure you, I am not owning multiple people at once with minimal effort.

Do you play a DK? Do you play one in anything but light armor and staff? . Yes DK in light armor and staff is pretty damn good due to the fact it builds ultimate very very fast and that banner can be dropped over and over its ridiculous in PVP. the DPs is not coming from anything else but a passive 161 per second for 17 seconds and implulse. GDB is usefull in PVP the surviveability comes from spiked armor. But from your statement you clearly dont PVE. there is a game outside of Cyrodil partner. not everything is based on the E peen of how many people i killed in PVP.And for PVE a NB in dress and stick does more ST DPS then a DK and heals way better in a healing spec. Personaly i dont give F ing rats ass anymore i rerolled a sorc it does everything better then a DK. And this is my last sub cycle im done until they fix the F ing game its broke beyond belief in PVE too your just too damn lazy or uninterested in anything other then your tiny little PVP world. Take GDB away lol you will still die. Why? because all the builds for every class are broken outside of a caster spec and two of the classes are non fucntioning NB and templar. Not because the DK is overpowered. if you PVE end game you would know this. If you did any research you would know some NB passives are not working as intended as well as some of the class actives.

DK in heavy armor or medium is useless in PVE and there is one spec in PVE light armor an staff. And that it is strictly DPS. none of the DK's abilities but banner and AOE generation which comes form Destruction staff are even used.maybe some of ardent flame.nerf the Dk to nothing still wont fix your Broken class nor will it compensate for poor skill

this is too much to read since what I did read had a bunch of anger and rage.

I do pve. I am currently missing an unknown quest in malabol tor, and then I will be champion of all factions. I have done every quest I have been able to find.

DKs get things handed to them in pve too. I seriously doubt the advantage gained in pvp aren't bleeding out to pve. If anything, stuff is probably easier in pve. The reason you don't think it's easy because you aren't competing directly against other players in a way that measures their success versus your own.

Either way, I care more about balance in pvp, not if some carebear can faceroll 5 mobs at a time or not.

DK have no class range
DK have no escape
DK have only one single target burst DPS flame whip THIS RECIEVED A BOOST AND A NERF AT THE SAME TIME.. increased damage but a longer cool down..

Yes they are hard to take down at times...If they have ults up they can be a
handful ...however they have no where to go ... A NB can easily wipe a DK within 3 secs from stealth..with a friend.. have personaly been zapped by 1 NB in 4 sec before the stun is gone...

SEE YOU HAVE A HARD STUN...and marked 60 secs target... and if you get in trouble disapear... Give me a break...Sorcs hate NBs the most for a reason lol...

The DK is more of an AOE class but every ability has been nerfed recently... The grass is not greener anymore lol...

I have a hard stun and you have a knockdown.

Did you know NBs have no direct knockdown? We have to stealth, surprise attack, then heavy attack to get the effect.

And don't even try to use marked target, that effect is reflected back on the NB, just because someone made a thread saying it's OP doesn't mean it is. It has almost no real return. It could last for 2 seconds and would be more useful because you'd be less destroyed when the enemy turns around and smashes you.

If marked target was OP, NBs would actually use it. Not many do.

You are able to do everything exceptionally for yourself but get away. You don't have to get away because you will most likely survive against 3 or fewer players assuming you have some idea how to play your class.

If you want to get someone close to you, use your chain, or charge in on them.

I'd kill to be able to pluck someone out of a group for me to beat on so I could run faster. Preferably not via a fiery chain though, that's not my style.

Wifeaggro13 · July 2014

Durham wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I like how willing you guys are to trade one of your ridiculous abilities (that would be fine if not combined with the whole package I guess) for another ability that would further tip the rest of your abilities over the top.

I will, by the way, happily trade VoB for banner. I love VoB, but banner is nuts.

Furthermore, you're just deflecting cherry-picking these skills when you know the real issue is your skills combined with one another make you effective at everything, (except escaping, but you don't usually have to anyway.)

Your only option seems to be telling other people they don't know their class, yet I have yet to see any of you give reasonable and effective ways to take out a DK.

If we suck so bad, then school us. Show us the light.

A NB popped in here and gave the ONLY effective way he had for dealing with a DK, and it required fast timing and very situational abilities regardless of the effort the DK was putting in. I would bet fairly good money it would fall flat on a lot of vr12 DKs.

Now if the problem is light armor/staff, then why isn't EVERYONE as ridiculous with light armor/staff. I run with that set up sometimes, and I assure you, I am not owning multiple people at once with minimal effort.

Do you play a DK? Do you play one in anything but light armor and staff? . Yes DK in light armor and staff is pretty damn good due to the fact it builds ultimate very very fast and that banner can be dropped over and over its ridiculous in PVP. the DPs is not coming from anything else but a passive 161 per second for 17 seconds and implulse. GDB is usefull in PVP the surviveability comes from spiked armor. But from your statement you clearly dont PVE. there is a game outside of Cyrodil partner. not everything is based on the E peen of how many people i killed in PVP.And for PVE a NB in dress and stick does more ST DPS then a DK and heals way better in a healing spec. Personaly i dont give F ing rats ass anymore i rerolled a sorc it does everything better then a DK. And this is my last sub cycle im done until they fix the F ing game its broke beyond belief in PVE too your just too damn lazy or uninterested in anything other then your tiny little PVP world. Take GDB away lol you will still die. Why? because all the builds for every class are broken outside of a caster spec and two of the classes are non fucntioning NB and templar. Not because the DK is overpowered. if you PVE end game you would know this. If you did any research you would know some NB passives are not working as intended as well as some of the class actives.

DK in heavy armor or medium is useless in PVE and there is one spec in PVE light armor an staff. And that it is strictly DPS. none of the DK's abilities but banner and AOE generation which comes form Destruction staff are even used.maybe some of ardent flame.nerf the Dk to nothing still wont fix your Broken class nor will it compensate for poor skill

this is too much to read since what I did read had a bunch of anger and rage.

I do pve. I am currently missing an unknown quest in malabol tor, and then I will be champion of all factions. I have done every quest I have been able to find.

DKs get things handed to them in pve too. I seriously doubt the advantage gained in pvp aren't bleeding out to pve. If anything, stuff is probably easier in pve. The reason you don't think it's easy because you aren't competing directly against other players in a way that measures their success versus your own.

Either way, I care more about balance in pvp, not if some carebear can faceroll 5 mobs at a time or not.

DK have no class range
DK have no escape
DK have only one single target burst DPS flame whip THIS RECIEVED A BOOST AND A NERF AT THE SAME TIME.. increased damage but a longer cool down..

Yes they are hard to take down at times...If they have ults up they can be a
handful ...however they have no where to go ... A NB can easily wipe a DK within 3 secs from stealth..with a friend.. have personaly been zapped by 1 NB in 4 sec before the stun is gone...

SEE YOU HAVE A HARD STUN...and marked 60 secs target... and if you get in trouble disapear... Give me a break...Sorcs hate NBs the most for a reason lol...

The DK is more of an AOE class but every ability has been nerfed recently... The grass is not greener anymore lol...

Many prefer the nerf to play then L2P method

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I like how willing you guys are to trade one of your ridiculous abilities (that would be fine if not combined with the whole package I guess) for another ability that would further tip the rest of your abilities over the top.

I will, by the way, happily trade VoB for banner. I love VoB, but banner is nuts.

Furthermore, you're just deflecting cherry-picking these skills when you know the real issue is your skills combined with one another make you effective at everything, (except escaping, but you don't usually have to anyway.)

Your only option seems to be telling other people they don't know their class, yet I have yet to see any of you give reasonable and effective ways to take out a DK.

If we suck so bad, then school us. Show us the light.

A NB popped in here and gave the ONLY effective way he had for dealing with a DK, and it required fast timing and very situational abilities regardless of the effort the DK was putting in. I would bet fairly good money it would fall flat on a lot of vr12 DKs.

Now if the problem is light armor/staff, then why isn't EVERYONE as ridiculous with light armor/staff. I run with that set up sometimes, and I assure you, I am not owning multiple people at once with minimal effort.

Do you play a DK? Do you play one in anything but light armor and staff? . Yes DK in light armor and staff is pretty damn good due to the fact it builds ultimate very very fast and that banner can be dropped over and over its ridiculous in PVP. the DPs is not coming from anything else but a passive 161 per second for 17 seconds and implulse. GDB is usefull in PVP the surviveability comes from spiked armor. But from your statement you clearly dont PVE. there is a game outside of Cyrodil partner. not everything is based on the E peen of how many people i killed in PVP.And for PVE a NB in dress and stick does more ST DPS then a DK and heals way better in a healing spec. Personaly i dont give F ing rats ass anymore i rerolled a sorc it does everything better then a DK. And this is my last sub cycle im done until they fix the F ing game its broke beyond belief in PVE too your just too damn lazy or uninterested in anything other then your tiny little PVP world. Take GDB away lol you will still die. Why? because all the builds for every class are broken outside of a caster spec and two of the classes are non fucntioning NB and templar. Not because the DK is overpowered. if you PVE end game you would know this. If you did any research you would know some NB passives are not working as intended as well as some of the class actives.

DK in heavy armor or medium is useless in PVE and there is one spec in PVE light armor an staff. And that it is strictly DPS. none of the DK's abilities but banner and AOE generation which comes form Destruction staff are even used.maybe some of ardent flame.nerf the Dk to nothing still wont fix your Broken class nor will it compensate for poor skill

this is too much to read since what I did read had a bunch of anger and rage.

I do pve. I am currently missing an unknown quest in malabol tor, and then I will be champion of all factions. I have done every quest I have been able to find.

DKs get things handed to them in pve too. I seriously doubt the advantage gained in pvp aren't bleeding out to pve. If anything, stuff is probably easier in pve. The reason you don't think it's easy because you aren't competing directly against other players in a way that measures their success versus your own.

Either way, I care more about balance in pvp, not if some carebear can faceroll 5 mobs at a time or not.

DK have no class range
DK have no escape
DK have only one single target burst DPS flame whip THIS RECIEVED A BOOST AND A NERF AT THE SAME TIME.. increased damage but a longer cool down..

Yes they are hard to take down at times...If they have ults up they can be a
handful ...however they have no where to go ... A NB can easily wipe a DK within 3 secs from stealth..with a friend.. have personaly been zapped by 1 NB in 4 sec before the stun is gone...

SEE YOU HAVE A HARD STUN...and marked 60 secs target... and if you get in trouble disapear... Give me a break...Sorcs hate NBs the most for a reason lol...

The DK is more of an AOE class but every ability has been nerfed recently... The grass is not greener anymore lol...

Many prefer the nerf to play then L2P method

I've already covered the lrn2play point, so perhaps the problem is you need to lrn2read?

WeerW3ir · July 2014

Stop crying and accept the DK-s power

CheesyDaedra · July 2014

Give every class a godmode button plz.

SFBryan18 · July 2014

So wait, can this ability be spammed? Because the Sorcerer Dark Exchange not only requires stamina, it also immobilizes the player during the healing. I'm just wondering if Dragons Blood immobilizes the DK?

dsalter · July 2014

SFBryan18 wrote: »

So wait, can this ability be spammed? Because the Sorcerer Dark Exchange not only requires stamina, it also immobilizes the player during the healing. I'm just wondering if Dragons Blood immobilizes the DK?

it does not immobilize , it's instant and it's quite spammable if you setup right since DK durability is natural so they tend to have a free moment to use it

SFBryan18 · July 2014

dsalter wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

So wait, can this ability be spammed? Because the Sorcerer Dark Exchange not only requires stamina, it also immobilizes the player during the healing. I'm just wondering if Dragons Blood immobilizes the DK?

it does not immobilize , it's instant and it's quite spammable if you setup right since DK durability is natural so they tend to have a free moment to use it

See, that's what really matters. A self heal that can be cast while moving versus a self heal that stops us in our tracks. That makes a huge difference.

Tonturri · July 2014

See, that's what really matters. A self heal that can be cast while moving versus a self heal that stops us in our tracks. That makes a huge difference.

Worth noting that there's a morph of Dark Exchange that allows it to be channeled while moving.

SFBryan18 · July 2014

Tonturri wrote: »

See, that's what really matters. A self heal that can be cast while moving versus a self heal that stops us in our tracks. That makes a huge difference.

Worth noting that there's a morph of Dark Exchange that allows it to be channeled while moving.

That's good to know.

Jimm_ay · July 2014

Sigh....lets nerf everything..take away all skills and powers...and give us all sticks we can poke each other with so these cry babies will be happy...well until the first When are they going to Nerf Sticks thread starts....

Mataata · July 2014

I think it'd be best if Dragon Blood went on an internal cooldown for a few seconds if the Dragonknight was attacked. That way it'd have to be used out of combat for quick regeneration rather than to become invincible mid-combat.

Tigeracer · July 2014

I've read a lot of really incorrect comments in this thread.

First of all, dragons blood is an awesome ability, probably the best ability in the game, but it's not going to make someone overpowered. There is always a way to beat someone.
I play a nightblade and your single dot that you think cripples me, comes off with my dark cloak (it removes 4 dots).
I've never had a problem against a DK, only a templar once who seemed to heal himself back to full health before wiping the floor with my ***. That doesn't mean he/she was overpowered, just that I probably messed up or they were just a better player than me.

Also, all classes have an ultimate that is "overpowered" and they can all cancel each other out. If a DK uses DB and I am using veil of blades, there goes the healing (VoB halves healing received). Sorcs have negate magic, which ruins any build that isn't stamina based and templars have the "holy crap I need to heal" button that brings them back to full health.

In my eyes DK's should be the toughest toe-to-toe, they are the warrior class! A sorc should have to use their magic to cancel out and wither down the DK, a templar should have to keep healing up while blocking/evading the storm and a NB should have to slip into the shadows and stab them from the back.

I feel that ESO has this excellent balance already and just needs to work on fixing annoying ability bugs, but no more nerfing needs to be done, not even to dragons blood.

Mojomonkeyman · July 2014

dsalter wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

So wait, can this ability be spammed? Because the Sorcerer Dark Exchange not only requires stamina, it also immobilizes the player during the healing. I'm just wondering if Dragons Blood immobilizes the DK?

it does not immobilize , it's instant and it's quite spammable if you setup right since DK durability is natural so they tend to have a free moment to use it

Dark Exchange is the worst thing you can do when facing a DK. His heal is instant, your`s is not and is consuming stamina. A good DK will just pray for you to throw your hands in the air and invasion/talon you knowing there is no stamina left for that pityful mage to break free/dodge.

End result: The mage is left not only with prolly the same amount of health as before trying to Dark Exchange, but at strategical disadvantage due to momentum lost and no stamina. Genius move.

Duel more, guys.

Stx · July 2014

Eh, Im a Nightblade, and I dont think Dragon Blood is too powerful. Its really great if they use it when low health, but its not very efficient when used back to back, and I don't really see how you could argue it is better for survival (at least in PvP) when compared to bolt escape, dark cloak, or especially, blazing shield, that skill is way better.

SFBryan18 · July 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

So wait, can this ability be spammed? Because the Sorcerer Dark Exchange not only requires stamina, it also immobilizes the player during the healing. I'm just wondering if Dragons Blood immobilizes the DK?

it does not immobilize , it's instant and it's quite spammable if you setup right since DK durability is natural so they tend to have a free moment to use it

Dark Exchange is the worst thing you can do when facing a DK. His heal is instant, your`s is not and is consuming stamina. A good DK will just pray for you to throw your hands in the air and invasion/talon you knowing there is no stamina left for that pityful mage to break free/dodge.

End result: The mage is left not only with prolly the same amount of health as before trying to Dark Exchange, but at strategical disadvantage due to momentum lost and no stamina. Genius move.

Duel more, guys.

This is what I was thinking.

pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO · July 2014

Nerf'o'holics, gimme a break, will you? I'm pretty sure ESO should not be built around the requirements of PvP crowd as I would say there are more PvE players than those who regularly go to Cyrodiil. Some people depend on this skill in PvE and it would ruin their experience of the game.

Also, there are a lot of inconsistencies I see in people explaining why DK's are OP:

1. Great resource management -> mostly for staff/dress builds
2. Spammable heal -> Only for staff/dress builds... and not much point in spamming it anyways
3. Great damage mitigation -> Mostly for 1h/shield builds
4. Great single target burst damage -> Mostly 1h/shield
5. Spammable spell/projectile reflect -> Mostly staff/dress builds

And there are some other points as well and you seem to pile it all in one heap and create a real chimera-DK that can outheal any damage, has bursts of 1000 dps, mitigates damage coming from a dozen players and, yet, not running out of resources! Wow! Fantastic!

Tell me now, how much stamina does blocking cost? So if DK is standing there spamming GDB and blocking all damage from 12 people, how many hits can he take before running out of stam? Probably 4 and 2 more with stamina bottle ready. That means that 6 people of the 12 of you are standing doing nothing because what in the world stops you from making a DK run out of stam, knocking him down and destroying in a second? And this is with the case of really OP DK.

I'm in no position to tell you to L2P as I'm only rank 4 in PvP, but a group of several players not being able to take down one makes me question their sanity. Unless it's an DK-Vampire-Emperor, of course.

Tigeracer · July 2014

@pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO‌

I agree with you completely, except for the blocking thing. If you have all one hand and shield passives as well as defensive posture (which my NB tank does have) it costs very little to block at all. I think that a good DK player should be able to block all day with all of these and GDB. That's not to say that it should be nerfed though, just making a point.

Also, how can someone get huge burst damage from one hand and shield? I've never heard of this before. I would guess it begins with a shield charge?