Beat way to sort it out....get rid of emperor....fixed

I agree, it's yet another thing Zos needs to sort out but if they sort it they need to start from scratch so ppl who has farmed it loses it. Atm with the returning fps/lag problems, zergballing, emperor farming and major balancing needed they have a lot of work still to do!

I for one is playing less and less now just waiting for Camelot unchained.

shimmyatwa_ESO wrote: »

But most emp farmers run in groups. So their scores will usually be relatively close to each other. Once the top person gets emp they can just log an alt to let everyone pass by.

It becomes a progressive math problem. Even a group of guys will eventually get tired of having to outdo each other.

A more realistic number figure would be like on Dawnbreaker right now.

The emps leaving the campaign after losing emp are often 300k-500k higher in score than the one below them. That is a significant amount of AP to generate, even in a farm situation, and it only takes one or two people not in that core group to completely blow them out of the water.

What it does is prevent ongoing abuse, sure one or two in a dedicated group might make it, but as it keeps notching higher and higher, its gets insane quick.

Right now on DB the top guys have over 3 million AP, some have over 5 million. When you start talking about needing millions to overcome top dog, who cant leave anymore to boost you to first, you start seeing the deterrence factor.

You also cant realistically expect people to just play alts either. The majority would not. They could not, why would they? I am one of the few people I even know that plays multiple vets in PvP. Most I run with or face are always the same toons.

And one last point, for every alt played in that farm group, effectiveness drops. A mature fully geared and skilled out character takes significant time. Time that is not available during a strong AP grind. Then there is cost of gear, possible respecs, it becomes madness to think that farm group would have a cadre of effective alts to farm with. Not in PvP.

there is no 'simple' fix due to the dynamics involved

from discussions with devs and members of the player base, something along these lines might work:

1) instead of removing former emp passives, they will be available to everybody in Cyrodiil, progressively unlocked by achieving ranks of first sgt, major, tribune etc

1a) the full emperor buffs will stay in their current format

(former emps aren't punished, their passives aren't removed, and now everybody has an opportunity to earn similar passives legitmately)

2) the title of 'former emperor' will be removed from the game, and replaced by one title that can only be worn by one person at a time: 'Wabbajack's Longest Serving Emperor' and as the title implies, can only be worn by the one person per campaign who holds the record for defending the throne the longest per campaign

(the second reason for emp farming, the title, is removed, and there will now be huge respect and prestige in wearing this title instead of 'former emperor' now associated as 'cheat and jerk')

3) once dethroned a player cannot become emperor again for 60 days - he does not need to leave the campaign or lose his AP or leaderboard ranking or campaign rewards - when his alliance next recaptures the throne, the person with the highest AP who has not been an emperor within the past 60 days will be crowned

(though not perfect, this timer system a lot of the issues of abdications, AP farms, Emperor 'hoarders' etc)


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Armitas wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

1) instead of removing former emp passives, they will be available to everybody in Cyrodiil, progressively unlocked by achieving ranks of first sgt, major, tribune etc

1a) the full emperor buffs will stay in their current format

(former emps aren't punished, their passives aren't removed, and now everybody has an opportunity to earn similar passives legitmately)

I think there may be one downside to this. The potential strength of former emperor buffs was strong enough to cause all the effects we are currently witnessing. All the bad behavior such as collusion, sabotage, selling emperor, harassing current emperors to abdicate was the result of the potential strength of former emperor buffs. If that potential strength still exists it will just manifest itself in the new system only in a different way.

Some of the behavior that might manifest are.
1) Trading AP by collusion and alternate accounts
2) Oil farming, Oil farming with scrolls (will be reduced soon)
3) Siting on AP farms while keeps and scrolls are taken
4) X. What we can't anticipate but know will happen because the drive to do it is there.

I like this idea but it needs a counter measure or we will just be trading one bad behavior for another.

One thought would be to provide an AP bonus on each scoring. Either an earned bonus or directly released AP. That system would need to be balanced upon how many opponents are online at the time otherwise DC would just sit in bloodthorn, and EP in Volendrung all day.

If it's scaled right one might have the thought, "I could sit here and AP farm...or I could save our scroll, or save this keep and earn the same AP from the point system." It would give players an incentive to engage in alliance warfare system as opposed to sitting on farms all day

The irony being that the best AP I've earned usually is in defense of Imperial Keeps while owning emperor for my faction. This maintains the crown for our faction and is deeply profitable on a personal level.

just remove former emperor AND emperor buffs completely. heck maybe even remove emperor completely. cant trade for something if it is non-existent!