yea I have all health with magicka enchants, many of the enchants are gold, and some are purple. My light armor is all gold and purple.

Still not capped on magicka.

Nestor wrote: »

It's only 4900 gold to respec your attributes, that's one or two trips through a public dungeon depending on how much inventory space you can free up before hand.

Glyphs for Health add a ton more health than the ones for Mana/Stamina. So, it's easier to max health than mana with Glyphs. Increasing your Mana will increase your magic damage, so if your main attack is Mana based, that might be a consideration.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121899/spell-damage

However I don't know if that total used is base total just from attributes or is it the total from Attributes plus Passives/Gear

The biggest question I would ask is are you running out of Mana in a battle? Have you optimized your gear (Set Crafted) and Passives to give you the most Attribute bang?

that's true of attribute points too though

Nestor wrote: »

It's only 4900 gold to respec your attributes, that's one or two trips through a public dungeon depending on how much inventory space you can free up before hand.

Glyphs for Health add a ton more health than the ones for Mana/Stamina. So, it's easier to max health than mana with Glyphs. Increasing your Mana will increase your magic damage, so if your main attack is Mana based, that might be a consideration.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121899/spell-damage

However I don't know if that total used is base total just from attributes or is it the total from Attributes plus Passives/Gear

The biggest question I would ask is are you running out of Mana in a battle? Have you optimized your gear (Set Crafted) and Passives to give you the most Attribute bang?

When you're still trying to level your crafting, you make no money. I am a VR1, that hasn't wasted ANY gold, save for one respec (7500), and I currently have about 16,000 gold. Sure, once you max everything else, gold is easy to come by, but I don't have time to stand around for hours on end, trying to sell my gear no zone chat to get something decent for them, and vendoring gives about 25-40 gold per item. Let's say I have about 70 spaces to spare in my inventory at any given time, and the average gold you get per full inventory is 30-35. 35*70=2450. To fill my inventory with stuff actually WORTH that, is a couple or few hours at a time of grinding.

Now, for people that live for the game and grinding, that doesn't sound like much, but to the rest of us, that's a lot of gold. Again, remember, I am having to decon and research still too, because even though I have, literally, deconned everything I have come across, by VR1, I am averaging level 30-35 on all my crafting skills.

Anyway, I appreciate the advice on the other stuff, I just don't need a lecture on how easy it is to gain gold when you don't have to level anything, are max level so you get lots of gold for a lot of the items you collect etc.

As for optimizing gear, I stated that earlier. I have no sets yet. Finding optimized trinkets in VR 1 areas is near impossible, so there is more gold I would have to spend.

As for whether I am running out of magicka or not, then the answer would be no, but ONLY because I am being conservative with my magicka consumption. I am not able to maximize my dps currently, especially during AoE parts, unless the enemies have low health, then I get back maicka from destruction passive.

Nestor wrote: »

Troponin wrote: »

but I don't have time to stand around for hours on end, trying to sell my gear no zone chat to get something decent for them, and vendoring gives about 25-40 gold per item.

Who sells things in Zone Chat? That has to be biggest time waster to sell dropped items. I for sure would never buy anything from Zone Chat that was dropped, only crafted, and then it would have to be a Crafted Set.

And, if your going into Public Dungeons that are anywhere near your level then the items will sell for 50 to 150 gold each to a vendor. All my level 40 plus gear I get sells for 80 on average, I made 7,000 the other night on my level 32 Sorcerer in two trips. This is the public dungeon in Malabal Tor near Velyn Harbor. 60 Slots with items that sell for 50 min gold gives you 3000.

You only have two things to spend money on in this game, bag slots and respecs.

tbf, you can't really sell any of that stuff while leveling up crafting, you have to decon it if you want to keep up skill wise with the mats you get in each zone.

Azarul wrote: »

Troponin wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

decon and research still too, because even though I have, literally, deconned everything I have come across, by VR1, I am averaging level 30-35 on all my crafting skills.

This surprises me some. I deconned everything and crafted absolutely nothing and hit 50 in all 3 crafts by V1. Not saying your doing something wrong, just surprised.

I thought you were quoting someone else and was so confused.

I think I was actually at 50 around vr1 maybe vr3, but I can see not reaching that in that time period. FOr example if you started later.

Enchanting on the other hand, I was like vr9 before I got that to 40.

The health thing was true when all the glyphs for armor were the same x1, now the health ones give the same 1.5x bonus as skill points.

Doesn't really matter how you do it now, it is all the same... EXCEPT if your armor breaks. If your armor breaks you will only have your natural stats to boost spell and weapon damage (and magicka boosts spell damage a lot, not even counting how many times you can cast). Casting a spell with default magicka will be weak, and you can't cast it a lot...

Not a common case, but a good mix will help you if everything goes south suddenly.

Nestor wrote: »

And, if your going into Public Dungeons that are anywhere near your level then the items will sell for 50 to 150 gold each to a vendor.

Please, tell me what magical dungeon you're farming your VR1 drops from, I would love to hear it.

(The white gear I kept because they can be researched still)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu139/Troponin/F48A5A85-C0B4-476E-A7BE-EB1D033711BA_zpsk1feqcah.jpg

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu139/Troponin/AD9826D6-5B8F-45D5-9785-1084F4FFDEF2_zpsfseovndw.jpg

So can we now agree you're grossly underestimating the value of gold and items in this game and move on?

Well, here is how you can get 20000 gold an hour in Stone Falls, a starter island

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42ilh-9-QvI

Here is where you can do it in Grahtwood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Xw8YrZNHI

There are many others, but the common theme is, find a public dungeon, use AoE and farm. Go to vendor, sell, go back to public dungeon and farm again.

I think the only thing we agree on is you want to spend more time arguing and complaining than going out and actually doing something to get the gold. It's been 2 1/2 hours since I gave the suggestion to get as much gold as you want, you could have had enough gold by now to respec and buy the Light Horse.

I put all but 5 attribute points into magicka. I never have more than 2 magicka enchantments on armor as it is sufficient to softcap magicka and magicka regen. All of my other enchants go into health.

Troponin wrote: »

So can we now agree you're grossly underestimating the value of gold and items in this game and move on?

I can't agree with you when this is what I got from 5 minutes farming the Zombie mobs just outside the city in Coldharbour. A nice mix of 36, 58 and 100 plus gold items. Note, this is my crafter, these items were gathered by my L47 character.

As far as gold there are multiple ways to get it but not really the point of this thread.

As for attributes there are multiple advantages to going in to all health. Both Health and Magicka/Stamina attribute points and enchants work about the same way in most circumstances. Health gives 1.5X what a magicka/stamina would, that is if you put it in attributes or have an enchants. 1 attribute point will give 15 health or 10 magicka. An enchant that would give 50 Magicka would give 75 Health. The only place I don't see this is jewelry those give the same amount of health and magicka/stamina so those spots are kind of a ripoff for gaining Health.

So with all in Health you have the option to put on all Magicka clothing/jewelry to get your Magicka. I have all my classes with all health attributes and all of them are able to hit 2100+ magicka with blue food. This also gives you the option to gear for more stamina if you want, and if you want to tank with a ton of health you can put on clothes that give health. If you throw your attribute points in to Magicka you are locked in to Magicka and can only get you health so high.

Also as a healer I see people trying to do VR dungeons a lot that put their points in to Magicka and they get one-shot left and right. As a general rule of thumb you should try to go in to VR dungeons with 2000+ health. I see people run in with 1500 health and all their attributes in Magicka then they complain that I can't keep them alive .. well you can't heal a one-shot sorry. If they took 75% of your health that is fine I can heal that but not a one-shot.