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So when's Dragon's Blood getting nerfed?
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couchkyle25_ESO✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »omg, more QQing about DK's. L2P, I am DK and I seem to be unable to achieve this supposed OPness that everyone *** about. I get killed all the time, in a matter of seconds at times because I typically get jumped by like 5-15 ppl and get slammed with Pulsar, Snipe, and CC galore. I burn all my Stamina on CC breaking and have non left to really block with, and as a result get rofl-pwnd into the dirt. I can't survive in Cyrodiil as it is. Stop QQing about my damn Class already.
maybe the problem is that you just really suck and even an OP class can't save you.
Man, you die to 5-15 people though? that's nuts, I know the rest of the classes have no problem with that small of a group. It's not like a 1v1 fight is challenging for the rest of us or anything.
or maybe the DK just isn't that big of a freaking issue, since you all insist DKs are so damn easy you can just literally roll your face over your Keyboard and win as one. I get totally outplayed by other classes at times, because those ppl know wth they are doing. imo everyone still QQing about DKs simply need to play better.
Apparently DKs just drop standard, spam Dragon's Blood and people drop dead. Have you tried that?
Of course I've tried that, I even CC them with the infamous "TALONS OF OPness!" And they just roll out of them and out of the Standards range. People seem to think Standard is an instant death, each tick does not exactly do a lot of damage folks. Everyone in here saying that Cloth and Staff are the problem, are absolutely right, because I don't use those things and have these problems. DK's are not the issue, it is Cloth and Staff.
Yea I'm pretty sure this is a l2play issue. If every other DK can faceroll groups of people, you should be able to too.
My advice, run with a guild that emperor flips and become a vampire. Also, wear a dress and stick.
No, the issue is right there, what you said. "Do this, this this and this. Otherwise you are doing it wrong." Of course doing those things makes it OP, Do you not see how dumb this logic is? If something is TRULY OP, then your OP regardless of how you play the damn game. If your only OP by doing certain things, then it's not really being OP, and more of an optimum build. You people need to learn the freaking difference.1 -
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✭couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »omg, more QQing about DK's. L2P, I am DK and I seem to be unable to achieve this supposed OPness that everyone *** about. I get killed all the time, in a matter of seconds at times because I typically get jumped by like 5-15 ppl and get slammed with Pulsar, Snipe, and CC galore. I burn all my Stamina on CC breaking and have non left to really block with, and as a result get rofl-pwnd into the dirt. I can't survive in Cyrodiil as it is. Stop QQing about my damn Class already.
maybe the problem is that you just really suck and even an OP class can't save you.
Man, you die to 5-15 people though? that's nuts, I know the rest of the classes have no problem with that small of a group. It's not like a 1v1 fight is challenging for the rest of us or anything.
or maybe the DK just isn't that big of a freaking issue, since you all insist DKs are so damn easy you can just literally roll your face over your Keyboard and win as one. I get totally outplayed by other classes at times, because those ppl know wth they are doing. imo everyone still QQing about DKs simply need to play better.
Apparently DKs just drop standard, spam Dragon's Blood and people drop dead. Have you tried that?
Of course I've tried that, I even CC them with the infamous "TALONS OF OPness!" And they just roll out of them and out of the Standards range. People seem to think Standard is an instant death, each tick does not exactly do a lot of damage folks. Everyone in here saying that Cloth and Staff are the problem, are absolutely right, because I don't use those things and have these problems. DK's are not the issue, it is Cloth and Staff.
Yea I'm pretty sure this is a l2play issue. If every other DK can faceroll groups of people, you should be able to too.
My advice, run with a guild that emperor flips and become a vampire. Also, wear a dress and stick.
No, the issue is right there, what you said. "Do this, this this and this. Otherwise you are doing it wrong." Of course doing those things makes it OP, Do you not see how dumb this logic is? If something is TRULY OP, then your OP regardless of how you play the damn game. If your only OP by doing certain things, then it's not really being OP, and more of an optimum build. You people need to learn the freaking difference.
no you could just do it as DK those extra help though. Any other class doing the same thing isn't ridiculous, but DK is. Also, I refer bakc to the level 40 something I mentioned, who was none of those other things. The issue with him was specifically GDB. What people are missing saying that it has diminishing returns is that normally you are taking damage when you do it, so it continues to heal for large amounts and keep your health up.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
couchkyle25_ESO✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »omg, more QQing about DK's. L2P, I am DK and I seem to be unable to achieve this supposed OPness that everyone *** about. I get killed all the time, in a matter of seconds at times because I typically get jumped by like 5-15 ppl and get slammed with Pulsar, Snipe, and CC galore. I burn all my Stamina on CC breaking and have non left to really block with, and as a result get rofl-pwnd into the dirt. I can't survive in Cyrodiil as it is. Stop QQing about my damn Class already.
maybe the problem is that you just really suck and even an OP class can't save you.
Man, you die to 5-15 people though? that's nuts, I know the rest of the classes have no problem with that small of a group. It's not like a 1v1 fight is challenging for the rest of us or anything.
or maybe the DK just isn't that big of a freaking issue, since you all insist DKs are so damn easy you can just literally roll your face over your Keyboard and win as one. I get totally outplayed by other classes at times, because those ppl know wth they are doing. imo everyone still QQing about DKs simply need to play better.
Apparently DKs just drop standard, spam Dragon's Blood and people drop dead. Have you tried that?
Of course I've tried that, I even CC them with the infamous "TALONS OF OPness!" And they just roll out of them and out of the Standards range. People seem to think Standard is an instant death, each tick does not exactly do a lot of damage folks. Everyone in here saying that Cloth and Staff are the problem, are absolutely right, because I don't use those things and have these problems. DK's are not the issue, it is Cloth and Staff.
Yea I'm pretty sure this is a l2play issue. If every other DK can faceroll groups of people, you should be able to too.
My advice, run with a guild that emperor flips and become a vampire. Also, wear a dress and stick.
No, the issue is right there, what you said. "Do this, this this and this. Otherwise you are doing it wrong." Of course doing those things makes it OP, Do you not see how dumb this logic is? If something is TRULY OP, then your OP regardless of how you play the damn game. If your only OP by doing certain things, then it's not really being OP, and more of an optimum build. You people need to learn the freaking difference.
no you could just do it as DK those extra help though. Any other class doing the same thing isn't ridiculous, but DK is. Also, I refer bakc to the level 40 something I mentioned, who was none of those other things. The issue with him was specifically GDB. What people are missing saying that it has diminishing returns is that normally you are taking damage when you do it, so it continues to heal for large amounts and keep your health up.
Right, except again, this comes down to Cloth armor, not the ability. From personal experience I know for a fact, you don't have the Magic Pool or the Regen to use CC's, DK attacks and GDB without Cloth, you simply don't, not with Potions, Food or anything else, without Cloth a DK cannot spam GDB and hope to survive. It's not going to happen. The whole way the game is established atm (Cloth and Staves Online) is the main factor here.
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✭couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »omg, more QQing about DK's. L2P, I am DK and I seem to be unable to achieve this supposed OPness that everyone *** about. I get killed all the time, in a matter of seconds at times because I typically get jumped by like 5-15 ppl and get slammed with Pulsar, Snipe, and CC galore. I burn all my Stamina on CC breaking and have non left to really block with, and as a result get rofl-pwnd into the dirt. I can't survive in Cyrodiil as it is. Stop QQing about my damn Class already.
maybe the problem is that you just really suck and even an OP class can't save you.
Man, you die to 5-15 people though? that's nuts, I know the rest of the classes have no problem with that small of a group. It's not like a 1v1 fight is challenging for the rest of us or anything.
or maybe the DK just isn't that big of a freaking issue, since you all insist DKs are so damn easy you can just literally roll your face over your Keyboard and win as one. I get totally outplayed by other classes at times, because those ppl know wth they are doing. imo everyone still QQing about DKs simply need to play better.
Apparently DKs just drop standard, spam Dragon's Blood and people drop dead. Have you tried that?
Of course I've tried that, I even CC them with the infamous "TALONS OF OPness!" And they just roll out of them and out of the Standards range. People seem to think Standard is an instant death, each tick does not exactly do a lot of damage folks. Everyone in here saying that Cloth and Staff are the problem, are absolutely right, because I don't use those things and have these problems. DK's are not the issue, it is Cloth and Staff.
Yea I'm pretty sure this is a l2play issue. If every other DK can faceroll groups of people, you should be able to too.
My advice, run with a guild that emperor flips and become a vampire. Also, wear a dress and stick.
No, the issue is right there, what you said. "Do this, this this and this. Otherwise you are doing it wrong." Of course doing those things makes it OP, Do you not see how dumb this logic is? If something is TRULY OP, then your OP regardless of how you play the damn game. If your only OP by doing certain things, then it's not really being OP, and more of an optimum build. You people need to learn the freaking difference.
no you could just do it as DK those extra help though. Any other class doing the same thing isn't ridiculous, but DK is. Also, I refer bakc to the level 40 something I mentioned, who was none of those other things. The issue with him was specifically GDB. What people are missing saying that it has diminishing returns is that normally you are taking damage when you do it, so it continues to heal for large amounts and keep your health up.
Right, except again, this comes down to Cloth armor, not the ability. From personal experience I know for a fact, you don't have the Magic Pool or the Regen to use CC's, DK attacks and GDB without Cloth, you simply don't, not with Potions, Food or anything else, without Cloth a DK cannot spam GDB and hope to survive. It's not going to happen. The whole way the game is established atm (Cloth and Staves Online) is the main factor here.
nope, that DK was not in cloth iirc. Like I said, he didn't have those other things involved.
So yea it is going to happen.
However it doesn't matter because anyone can use cloth, and no one else becomes ridiculous when they do. The problem is not cloth, the problem is DKs.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
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✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »NookyZooky wrote: »
the spammability is the problem. not the effects of the ability.kb.lang_ESO wrote: »
Um.... what?
Do you understand math? (specifically, percentages)
If you are at 40% health (meaning, you are DOWN 60%), then you get back 30% of 60%, or 20% of your total health. You are now at 60% (meaning, DOWN 40%).
If you then "spam" it again, you get back 30% of 40%, or 13%. You are now at 73% (meaning, DOWN 27 %)
If you then "spam" it again, you get back 30% of 27%, or 9%. You are now at 82% (meaning, DOWN 18 %)
If you then "spam" it again, you get back 30% of 18%, or 6%. You are now at 88% (meaning, DOWN 12 %)
If you then "spam" it again, you get back 30% of 12%, or 4%. You are now at 92% (meaning, DOWN 8 %)
If you then "spam" it again, you get back 30% of 8%, or 2.6%. You are now at 94-95% (meaning, DOWN 5 %)
If you then "spam" it again, you get back 30% of 5%, or 1.6%. You are now at 96% (meaning, DOWN 4 %)
If you then "spam" it again, you get back 30% of 4%, or 1.3%. You are now at 97% (meaning, DOWN 3 %)
If you then "spam" it again, you get back 30% of 3%, or 1%. You are now at 98% (meaning, DOWN 2 %)
"Spam..... I do not thin' that word means what you thin' it means." - Enigo Montoya
Elder maths Online.
Edited by Sotha_Sil on July 24, 2014 1:26PMRestoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!0 -
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✭✭There is no CDs in the game. 80% of the skills use magicka => you need magicka. Best mana management is light armor + resto staff. Everybody uses them. Where is the problem?Because I can!2 -
hk11✭✭✭✭It's a PvE game with one battleground. Why would you want to destroy the class to service the one battleground?Edited by hk11 on July 24, 2014 1:31PM2 -
couchkyle25_ESO✭✭✭It's a PvE game with one battleground. Why would you want to destroy the class to service the one battleground?
Because to these people, the one Battleground is the entire game. Who cares how badly all these nerfs ruin DK's in other aspects of the game, as long as they can just spam blast the DK dead like everyone else.
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✭couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »It's a PvE game with one battleground. Why would you want to destroy the class to service the one battleground?
Because to these people, the one Battleground is the entire game. Who cares how badly all these nerfs ruin DK's in other aspects of the game, as long as they can just spam blast the DK dead like everyone else.
right because DKs are totally balanced in pve.
The only difference is other people aren't competing against you to notice how ridiculous you are.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
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✭✭✭I enjoy the Q_Q from everybody in this thread!
Primarily because of the biased agenda that it serves
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couchkyle25_ESO✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »It's a PvE game with one battleground. Why would you want to destroy the class to service the one battleground?
Because to these people, the one Battleground is the entire game. Who cares how badly all these nerfs ruin DK's in other aspects of the game, as long as they can just spam blast the DK dead like everyone else.
right because DKs are totally balanced in pve.
The only difference is other people aren't competing against you to notice how ridiculous you are.
a DK's entire purpose in this game, basically, is to take a crap ton of damage and CC. That is basically all they are good for, as far as 1h/s goes. Just like how Templar's are insanely OP with Heals, but no one cares about, because it's not stopping ppl from spam bursting ppl dead. I get the impression DK was mainly designed with "Tank" in mind, but lets all just complain about how that's unfair that they have survive-ability bonuses by design, and make sure to ignore all the other Classes that are OP in -something-, but get ignored because DK's aren't pathetic enough yet.4 -
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✭couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »It's a PvE game with one battleground. Why would you want to destroy the class to service the one battleground?
Because to these people, the one Battleground is the entire game. Who cares how badly all these nerfs ruin DK's in other aspects of the game, as long as they can just spam blast the DK dead like everyone else.
right because DKs are totally balanced in pve.
The only difference is other people aren't competing against you to notice how ridiculous you are.
a DK's entire purpose in this game, basically, is to take a crap ton of damage and CC. That is basically all they are good for, as far as 1h/s goes. Just like how Templar's are insanely OP with Heals, but no one cares about, because it's not stopping ppl from spam bursting ppl dead. I get the impression DK was mainly designed with "Tank" in mind, but lets all just complain about how that's unfair that they have survive-ability bonuses by design, and make sure to ignore all the other Classes that are OP in -something-, but get ignored because DK's aren't pathetic enough yet.
and kick out massive dps right?
So they get to take damage AND cc AND dps.
That makes sense.
You are not designed to be ridiculous compared to other classes. If you want to tank, you have to take a hit to dps and things like cc. If you want to dps, you have to take a hit to tankiness.
As it stands, DKs can do everything at once PLUS heal themselves effectively.
It is not a biased "agenda" to want them brought down to everyone else's level.
My NB can do one thing well, sneak. My dps doesn't even end up the highest possible. Even when I'm doing destro or resto staff. I can get good damage when I sneak, but even then, since I am setting up every attack if I start cloaking/surprise attacking, it drops my dps.
imo, templars are at the perfect level, and everything needs to be balanced to their level. NBs up, sorcs and DKs down (though really, with sorc, its just BE that I find problematic.)Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
couchkyle25_ESO✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »It's a PvE game with one battleground. Why would you want to destroy the class to service the one battleground?
Because to these people, the one Battleground is the entire game. Who cares how badly all these nerfs ruin DK's in other aspects of the game, as long as they can just spam blast the DK dead like everyone else.
right because DKs are totally balanced in pve.
The only difference is other people aren't competing against you to notice how ridiculous you are.
a DK's entire purpose in this game, basically, is to take a crap ton of damage and CC. That is basically all they are good for, as far as 1h/s goes. Just like how Templar's are insanely OP with Heals, but no one cares about, because it's not stopping ppl from spam bursting ppl dead. I get the impression DK was mainly designed with "Tank" in mind, but lets all just complain about how that's unfair that they have survive-ability bonuses by design, and make sure to ignore all the other Classes that are OP in -something-, but get ignored because DK's aren't pathetic enough yet.
and kick out massive dps right?
So they get to take damage AND cc AND dps.
That makes sense.
You are not designed to be ridiculous compared to other classes. If you want to tank, you have to take a hit to dps and things like cc. If you want to dps, you have to take a hit to tankiness.
As it stands, DKs can do everything at once PLUS heal themselves effectively.
It is not a biased "agenda" to want them brought down to everyone else's level.
My NB can do one thing well, sneak. My dps doesn't even end up the highest possible. Even when I'm doing destro or resto staff. I can get good damage when I sneak, but even then, since I am setting up every attack if I start cloaking/surprise attacking, it drops my dps.
imo, templars are at the perfect level, and everything needs to be balanced to their level. NBs up, sorcs and DKs down (though really, with sorc, its just BE that I find problematic.)
Tanking in ESO IS CCing, This is not WoW. Tanking is not "Hold the whole group of Mobs". Personally my full Tank set up I do very little damage to people, unless I actually change to DPS centric gear and abilities. I am not some ungodly warrior of OPness that rofl pwns everything. I see DK's getting killed in Cyrodiil all the time, they rush ahead of everyone and hold RMB and get burned down by large packs of people.0 -
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✭This is just another case of a player losing to a DK and jumping on the band wagon without really thinking of what the real issue is here.
Yes DK's needed nerfs, yes they got nerfs. Yes some builds on certain classes can be very strong at the moment when combining light armour sets and using a stick. Green dragonblood it's self is not an OP skill. We cannot balance everything around light armour and magicka regen. Not until those two things them selves have been balanced.
Nerfing these abilities would completely kill off the few DK heavy armour users we have left. Yes, amazing as it sounds, but some people still use heavy armour despite it being inferior to light. As i said, the issue with spamming certain abilities is not a class or ability issue, but rather how easy it is to regenerate magicka so fast with certain light sets and passives.Edited by Orchish on July 24, 2014 2:15PM7 -
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✭✭✭This is just another case of a player losing to a DK and jumping on the band wagon without really thinking of what the real issue is here.
Yes DK's needed nerfs, yes they got nerfs. Yes some builds on certain classes can be very strong at the moment when combining light armour sets and using a stick. Green dragonblood it's self is not an OP skill. We cannot balance everything around light armour and magicka regen. Not until those two things them selves have been balanced.
Nerfing these abilities would completely kill off the few DK heavy armour users we have left. Yes, amazing as it sounds, but some people still use heavy armour despite it being inferior to light. As i said, the issue with spamming certain abilities is not a class or ability issue, but rather how easy it is to regenerate magicka so fast with certain light sets and passives.
You're doing it wrong, you use logic. Stop it, this is not what this thread wants.EU | PC | AD0 -
There is only one broken class in ESO and it aint DKThere is only one god and his name is Death. And there is only one thing we say to Death: “Not today...”
"We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the songs the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La."
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couchkyle25_ESO✭✭✭This is just another case of a player losing to a DK and jumping on the band wagon without really thinking of what the real issue is here.
Yes DK's needed nerfs, yes they got nerfs. Yes some builds on certain classes can be very strong at the moment when combining light armour sets and using a stick. Green dragonblood it's self is not an OP skill. We cannot balance everything around light armour and magicka regen. Not until those two things them selves have been balanced.
Nerfing these abilities would completely kill off the few DK heavy armour users we have left. Yes, amazing as it sounds, but some people still use heavy armour despite it being inferior to light. As i said, the issue with spamming certain abilities is not a class or ability issue, but rather how easy it is to regenerate magicka so fast with certain light sets and passives.
QTF. This is the problem, right here.
I am one of those mythical Heavy users, and personally all these Nerfs just make me want to reroll, because I refuse to conform to this "Cloth and Staff" mentality.Edited by couchkyle25_ESO on July 24, 2014 2:21PM2 -
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✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »imo, templars are at the perfect level, and everything needs to be balanced to their level. NBs up, sorcs and DKs down (though really, with sorc, its just BE that I find problematic.)
you realize I'm not a templar right? So no, I'm not biased. I'm not pushing the pro-templar agenda you think I am lol
Love this thread all you want, I will enjoy the coming nerfs that are inevitable.
I will feast on your tears.Edited by ZOS_JoanaL on July 25, 2014 2:42AMDear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
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✭It seems like a lot of people are afraid to lose it. I mean, with so many abilities, why is that one so essential to keep from getting nerfed unless it was the one thing giving the upper hand. I say, make them work for their kills like everyone else. Nerf anything that is viewed as essential.Edited by SFBryan18 on July 24, 2014 2:21PM4 -
couchkyle25_ESO✭✭✭It seems like a lot of people are afraid to lose it. I mean, with so many abilities, why is that one so essential to keep from getting nerfed unless it was the one thing giving the upper hand. I say, make them work for their kills like everyone else. Nerf anything that is viewed as essential.
fine, then nerf NB Stealth, Templar Heals, Sorc Mana Regen as well. See how all of you enjoy that.1 -
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✭couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »It seems like a lot of people are afraid to lose it. I mean, with so many abilities, why is that one so essential to keep from getting nerfed unless it was the one thing giving the upper hand. I say, make them work for their kills like everyone else. Nerf anything that is viewed as essential.
fine, then nerf NB Stealth, Templar Heals, Sorc Mana Regen as well. See how all of you enjoy that.
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✭✭couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »This is just another case of a player losing to a DK and jumping on the band wagon without really thinking of what the real issue is here.
Yes DK's needed nerfs, yes they got nerfs. Yes some builds on certain classes can be very strong at the moment when combining light armour sets and using a stick. Green dragonblood it's self is not an OP skill. We cannot balance everything around light armour and magicka regen. Not until those two things them selves have been balanced.
Nerfing these abilities would completely kill off the few DK heavy armour users we have left. Yes, amazing as it sounds, but some people still use heavy armour despite it being inferior to light. As i said, the issue with spamming certain abilities is not a class or ability issue, but rather how easy it is to regenerate magicka so fast with certain light sets and passives.
QTF. This is the problem, right here.
I am one of those mythical Heavy users, and personally all these Nerfs just make me want to reroll, because I refuse to conform to this "Cloth and Staff" mentality.
That is the same for all classes, however. I mean, I loved using Streak on my medium armor melee Sorc before the nerf. Over any one fight, I could cast it a couple of times to stay mobile and not get focused too much. But it was nerfed because of light armor Sorc who could cast it 12+ times in a row and now it is useless for me because two casts in a row = no magicka and just one cast of Streak will not get you out of range.
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Jaxom✭✭✭✭couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »It's a PvE game with one battleground. Why would you want to destroy the class to service the one battleground?
Because to these people, the one Battleground is the entire game. Who cares how badly all these nerfs ruin DK's in other aspects of the game, as long as they can just spam blast the DK dead like everyone else.
right because DKs are totally balanced in pve.
The only difference is other people aren't competing against you to notice how ridiculous you are.
a DK's entire purpose in this game, basically, is to take a crap ton of damage and CC. That is basically all they are good for, as far as 1h/s goes. Just like how Templar's are insanely OP with Heals, but no one cares about, because it's not stopping ppl from spam bursting ppl dead. I get the impression DK was mainly designed with "Tank" in mind, but lets all just complain about how that's unfair that they have survive-ability bonuses by design, and make sure to ignore all the other Classes that are OP in -something-, but get ignored because DK's aren't pathetic enough yet.
and kick out massive dps right?
So they get to take damage AND cc AND dps.
That makes sense.
You are not designed to be ridiculous compared to other classes. If you want to tank, you have to take a hit to dps and things like cc. If you want to dps, you have to take a hit to tankiness.
As it stands, DKs can do everything at once PLUS heal themselves effectively.
It is not a biased "agenda" to want them brought down to everyone else's level.
My NB can do one thing well, sneak. My dps doesn't even end up the highest possible. Even when I'm doing destro or resto staff. I can get good damage when I sneak, but even then, since I am setting up every attack if I start cloaking/surprise attacking, it drops my dps.
imo, templars are at the perfect level, and everything needs to be balanced to their level. NBs up, sorcs and DKs down (though really, with sorc, its just BE that I find problematic.)
Tanking in ESO IS CCing, This is not WoW. Tanking is not "Hold the whole group of Mobs". Personally my full Tank set up I do very little damage to people, unless I actually change to DPS centric gear and abilities. I am not some ungodly warrior of OPness that rofl pwns everything. I see DK's getting killed in Cyrodiil all the time, they rush ahead of everyone and hold RMB and get burned down by large packs of people.
I bolded the important part of the quote. Large Packs of People. Right, that is the only time you see DK's getting killed because it takes an army to burn them down.3 -
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✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »imo, templars are at the perfect level, and everything needs to be balanced to their level. NBs up, sorcs and DKs down (though really, with sorc, its just BE that I find problematic.)
Lol, you're not biased at all. Not a smidget.
Love this thread
you realize I'm not a templar right? So no, I'm not biased. I'm not pushing the pro-templar agenda you think I am lol
Love this thread all you want, I will enjoy the coming nerfs that are inevitable.
I will feast on your tears.
I know you're not a Templar and that you're a NB. That's why you think that NBs need to be pushed up to be brought to Templar level, rather than down.
You're pushing the NB agenda and I can see it clear as day, but of course you're so biased and used to playing the victim card (class-wise) that you're kinda used to it and find it normal. It makes it all the more funny
DK nerfs or not, if you're expecting tears from me to feast on then prepare for famine.EU | PC | AD1 -
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✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »imo, templars are at the perfect level, and everything needs to be balanced to their level. NBs up, sorcs and DKs down (though really, with sorc, its just BE that I find problematic.)
Lol, you're not biased at all. Not a smidget.
Love this thread
you realize I'm not a templar right? So no, I'm not biased. I'm not pushing the pro-templar agenda you think I am lol
Love this thread all you want, I will enjoy the coming nerfs that are inevitable.
I will feast on your tears.
I know you're not a Templar and that you're a NB. That's why you think that NBs need to be pushed up to be brought to Templar level, rather than down.
You're pushing the NB agenda and I can see it clear as day, but of course you're so biased and used to playing the victim card (class-wise) that you're kinda used to it and find it normal. It makes it all the more funny
DK nerfs or not, if you're expecting tears from me to feast on then prepare for famine.
I will settle for bringing everyone down to my level. What do you want me to say? What would be the unbiased response? NBs are in fact the weakest class so whatever direction everyone is going, they ultimately will either go up or be the standard.
Even if I wasn't a NB I would say that.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
Obscure✭✭✭✭✭couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »It seems like a lot of people are afraid to lose it. I mean, with so many abilities, why is that one so essential to keep from getting nerfed unless it was the one thing giving the upper hand. I say, make them work for their kills like everyone else. Nerf anything that is viewed as essential.
fine, then nerf NB Stealth, Templar Heals, Sorc Mana Regen as well. See how all of you enjoy that.
That's fine. Anything essential is over powered.
By that definition using any skill is OP. Me thinks you have no ***ing idea what your talking about.
I enjoy a good debate but your doing a fine job of weakening your every argument without my assistance. But don't mind me, please do continue. I enjoy using your posts as examples of thoughtless nonsense.1 -
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✭couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »It seems like a lot of people are afraid to lose it. I mean, with so many abilities, why is that one so essential to keep from getting nerfed unless it was the one thing giving the upper hand. I say, make them work for their kills like everyone else. Nerf anything that is viewed as essential.
fine, then nerf NB Stealth, Templar Heals, Sorc Mana Regen as well. See how all of you enjoy that.
That's fine. Anything essential is over powered.
By that definition using any skill is OP. Me thinks you have no ***ing idea what your talking about.
I enjoy a good debate but your doing a fine job of weakening your every argument without my assistance. But don't mind me, please do continue. I enjoy using your posts as examples of thoughtless nonsense.
How could "any skill" be essential? If they all work equally well, none of them would be essential. It's called balance. When one skill is needed more than any other, there's something wrong with that skill.
Same goes for classes. When one class is needed more than any other, there's something wrong with that class.Edited by SFBryan18 on July 24, 2014 2:43PM0 -
Obscure✭✭✭✭✭couchkyle25_ESO wrote: »It seems like a lot of people are afraid to lose it. I mean, with so many abilities, why is that one so essential to keep from getting nerfed unless it was the one thing giving the upper hand. I say, make them work for their kills like everyone else. Nerf anything that is viewed as essential.
fine, then nerf NB Stealth, Templar Heals, Sorc Mana Regen as well. See how all of you enjoy that.
That's fine. Anything essential is over powered.
By that definition using any skill is OP. Me thinks you have no ***ing idea what your talking about.
I enjoy a good debate but your doing a fine job of weakening your every argument without my assistance. But don't mind me, please do continue. I enjoy using your posts as examples of thoughtless nonsense.
How could "any skill" be essential? If they all work equally well, none of them would be essential.
If they all work equally well they are all essential...0
