I'd kinda like to see it go by weight. Seems unfair when I am gathering my food supplies, that a white grape uses up the same amount of space as a two handed battle axe. But then again... there is no possible way, real life we could carry around as much stuff as we can with out a horse and cart...

I think the simplest solution is shared and character bank space (like LoTRO)

That is each character has a bank and there is an account bank. That way you can keep mats for each character's crafting profession in their bank and also have some space for gear/pots/food that all your toons use.

Simples...

Nova Sky wrote: »

Everyone:

1. Bank Space
Players can purchase bank space now, but, as everyone knows, the costs steadily rise as your bank space increases.

Why not include, ESO developers, a 25 percent chance that, upon purchasing a 10-space limit, you could buy your *next* 10-space increase for, say, 75 percent of the ordinary gold cost? Hey, let's get really crazy: In addition to the 25 percent chance of getting your next bank space purchase for only 75 percent of its true cost, how about including a 10 percent chance of getting your next bank space purchase for only 50 percent of its normal cost? The odds of these instances happening would be limited to no more than four times in 30 days for the 25 percent discount, and no more than twice in 30 days for the 50 percent discount.

2. Bag Space
Chests are scattered throughout the world. They provide a variety of things — from gold to armor to weapons to jewelry, soul gems and more.

Why not simply add a small chance that they will also contain leather bags, and if you find a chest with a leather bag in it, it will add either 5 or 10 spaces to your bag space? The 5-space leather bag could drop up to 10 percent of the time, with a hard limit of no more than two per week, while the 10-space leather bag would have a 5 percent chance of appearing in a chest, with a hard limit of no more than two every 30 days.

On a related note, make it so bank and bag space sync at 240 slots apiece. Right now, bank is 240 and bag is 160.

Well, folks, what do you think? Offer your thoughts below for perusal by your fellow players and, perhaps, even a lurking ESO developer or two!

Not sure if you're factoring in the horse as part of this. While not ideal, it does add additional storage.

I think the numbers (change percentages) would have to be considerable smaller than this. Even then, I think it would add another rare item that people would then sit and farm to obtain. Some people would obtain it. Some would not. Imbalance results.

While inventory size is a pain, especially when first starting out, and more so for those without the imperial edition, it is manageable. A side effect of having to stop on occasion to sell some goods also leads to armor repair opportunities.

Larger bag space leads to longer outings, which can lead to untimely death.

Mats collected can be a little more focused. Once you realize you do not make everything from everything, you can limit what you pick up to the items/ingredients you use. Believe it or not, you will see a pattern.

Once you've leveled a bit, I'm going to say you can get away with 30 items or less on your person, leaving 100+ for collection purposes at any given time. You'll find you don't need 10 different versions of health potions and items such as Foul Hide, Elemental Essence lose their worth when you can pick up armor/weapons worth considerably more.

I would like to see like items stack, however. 10 of the same glyph found in the environment or made by the same character should stack. Same for weapons/armor. If it's at 100%, it's no different than another at 100%. Damage it and it becomes a unique item (taking a separate slot) until repaired again.

It's time consuming, yes. It's expensive, heck yes. But it's doable as it is without adding more trophy type items (found bag space.)

One possible addition I could see would be self-made bags from clothing stations - every 5 levels in the skill would net you an extra # of slots, or even item specific bags (alchemical/gems/jewelry/maps). Self-made to prevent high levels from selling them at equally outrageous prices.

Kcttocs wrote: »

I'd kinda like to see it go by weight. Seems unfair when I am gathering my food supplies, that a white grape uses up the same amount of space as a two handed battle axe. But then again... there is no possible way, real life we could carry around as much stuff as we can with out a horse and cart...

@Kcttocs‌, this worked well in past TES games. It involved other stats (strength, etc), but was more realistic. Side effect of that is you'd have people complaining that their 85 pound Altmer couldn't carry as much as their 350 pound Orc pal. Armor and weapons would have to have weights to them at that point (which is not unreasonable.)

Programmatically (database), it was simpler to implement a number of slots rather than cross check total weight carried.

zgrssd wrote: »

The big issues is not "how can we add inventory space/bank space?"
It is "how the heck are we storing all that data while also having it reasonably accessible?"

The DB server for inventory and bank are among the highest duty servers of the game. They propably have a higher performance requirement then Mail, Chat and Archievement server combined.

And thier performance drops exponentially as more slots are added.
It won't come before the more pressing perfomance issues are solved. Propably after the EU server move and Console launch.

@zgrssd‌, indeed. The sheer volume of data accessed it impressive.

moxiesauce wrote: »

level a bag horse LOL

@moxiesauce‌, you do now...up to level 50. I think some people forget that it's a gift that the horse inventory is automatically added to your own. They could have made it a separate container, requiring frequent trips to the mini-bank.

On the same note, then benefit from that would have been nice, buy another horse and level it, and your items on the first one remain, albeit inaccessible until your switch horses.

On a side note, I find it a little odd that I have to empty the saddle bags of my first horse in order to have the stable master feed my second one...

Loyheta wrote: »

I'd rather just have GW2 style collection tabs for crafting and trophies/minipets/costumes. With those out of the way it'd free up 80% of your bank space.

This, I have 145 inventory, but like 120 are regularly taken up by crafting materials and trophies, the minipets and costumes I send to an alt specifically created for them.

I'd also prefer if costumes didn't just disappear when you engage in combat

zgrssd wrote: »

The big issues is not "how can we add inventory space/bank space?"
It is "how the heck are we storing all that data while also having it reasonably accessible?"

The DB server for inventory and bank are among the highest duty servers of the game. They probably have a higher performance requirement then Mail, Chat and Achievement server combined.

And their performance drops exponentially as more slots are added.
It won't come before the more pressing performance issues are solved. Probably after the EU server move and Console launch.

I am extremely skeptical of the assertion that bank slots significantly impact server performance.

Kalann_Pander wrote: »

You could also add also add "looter's bag" in the fighter guild skill-line (for armor and weapons), a "mage's bag" in the mage guild (for
jewelery), and even a "trophy bag" in the Soul-Magic skill-line (which mirrors the main quest) for all the collectible stuff.

@Kalann_Pander‌ , Good stuff. Trophies and Quest items should definitely not count against inventory space.

Nestor wrote: »

... Adding a 100 bag slots would not impact the servers in any way shape or form. ...

Worst case estimate:
100 extra bag slots per character,
= potentially 800 per account,
= potentially 617 million extra slots given 772k* accounts.

That's an awful lot of database space even when people are logged out (and when they are logged in, it'd need to be stored in memory).


(* Although who knows if the 772k accounts estimate is anywhere near reality or not. Sounds far too small to me).

WyndStryke wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

... Adding a 100 bag slots would not impact the servers in any way shape or form. ...

Worst case estimate:
100 extra bag slots per character,
= potentially 800 per account,
= potentially 617 million extra slots given 772k* accounts.

That's an awful lot of database space even when people are logged out (and when they are logged in, it'd need to be stored in memory).


(* Although who knows if the 772k accounts estimate is anywhere near reality or not. Sounds far too small to me).

Then the 160 per account we get now must be a big problem for the servers.

The only reason there is a limitation on bag space is Matt Fiore wants to create friction in the crafting lines forcing people to socialize to craft. There is no technical reason for this. At all.

Nestor wrote: »

... Then the 160 per account we get now must be a big problem for the servers. ...

Probably does need a bunch of servers to support it, yes.