Heavy armor in PvP

ItsRejectz · July 2014

Does anyone actually wear it? I'm just curious, as around 80% of players I seem to.see in PvP are wearing light armor..with a few nb's in medium.

Agrippa_Invisus · July 2014

It is, unfortunately, very weak in PVP.

The majority of the damage, aside from guards, is from magical based abilities.

Orchish · July 2014

I actually wear it, knowing full well that i am gimping my self. My main DK is spec'd for both Light and heavy, i switch between them depending on how competitive i feel. I am a DK Tank which switches out my taunt for flame lash etc for PvP. I find that my survivability as a tank is much greater when wearing light armour compared to wearing heavy armour in PvP. This is why i hope that we see some changes to heavy armour soon. I choose to wear heavy armour as one i prefer the look for my orc, and two because i am trying to play this game my way(ha).

That said, you are not pathetically weak in heavy armour, just at a disadvantage. I can beat many Vet 12's but have noticed if come up against another DK using the same build only he/she has light+set and i have heavy, they win.

maxilaub17_ESO · July 2014

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Does anyone actually wear it? I'm just curious, as around 80% of players I seem to.see in PvP are wearing light armor..with a few nb's in medium.

You are correct most PvP'ers don't wear heavy, and certainly no good PvP'er wears heavy. It's a shame the armor is so inbalanced there is no viable option to wear heavy and do well in PvP. So most dps builds wear light and some NB's wear medium.

With that said, I agree witht the poster above who said, "you are not pathetically weak in heavy armour, just at a disadvantage". But no PvP'er worth his salt wants to be at a disadvantage hence heavy sucks for PvP.

Kewljag_66_ESO · July 2014

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Does anyone actually wear it? I'm just curious, as around 80% of players I seem to.see in PvP are wearing light armor..with a few nb's in medium.

maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Does anyone actually wear it? I'm just curious, as around 80% of players I seem to.see in PvP are wearing light armor..with a few nb's in medium.

You are correct most PvP'ers don't wear heavy, and certainly no good PvP'er wears heavy. It's a shame the armor is so inbalanced there is no viable option to wear heavy and do well in PvP. So most dps builds wear light and some NB's wear medium.

With that said, I agree witht the poster above who said, "you are not pathetically weak in heavy armour, just at a disadvantage". But no PvP'er worth his salt wants to be at a disadvantage hence heavy sucks for PvP.

It is situational, yes, currently in more cases light armor will be better because it has the best protection against most the damage in the game (magic). But....

Light Armor users are vulnerable to Bow. With 2 second snipe now they do alot of damage to people with low armor factor. A Sneak attack snipe will take light armor users below half life. Light armor users will get 3 or even killed by 2 shots. this can happen in 4 seconds.

Light Armor is also very vulnerbale to NBs. ALL the melee NB abilities are based off of the targets armor factor (even tho they are magika abilities)

As a NB, Light Armor users are usually much easier to kill than heavy armor users. My toughest fights are against heavy Armor DKs and Templars.

Also as a NB you should not wear light armor unless you are a caster spec. Your melee NB abilities are all based off of weapon crit. Enchanting 1 ring with +magic resist will gives you the magic resist of light armor

belugian · July 2014

i do wear 3 pieces of heavy armor ( i am sorc ). i do it mostly for the look.

zdkazz · July 2014

I wear 6 heavy(if you count a shield) and two light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hunARs_sD_E

SBR_QuorTek · July 2014

Well solution to stuff could be putting the actual armor skill every armor type require to be needing at least 5 pieces equipped to work... eg. it neuters immoveable to a 5pc heavy armor set for starters, but it is just a suggestion, it would also make reason to be a heavy armor user if you guys know what I mean... and for sure make PvP quite a bit more interesting

Samadhi · July 2014

SBR_QuorTek wrote: »

Well solution to stuff could be putting the actual armor skill every armor type require to be needing at least 5 pieces equipped to work... eg. it neuters immoveable to a 5pc heavy armor set for starters, but it is just a suggestion, it would also make reason to be a heavy armor user if you guys know what I mean... and for sure make PvP quite a bit more interesting

I'd like to see this change in place to the Armour line actives.

I'd also like to see Block's default radius only impact the area in front of the person blocking; with the Bracing passive in Heavy Armour being modified so that it extends the Block radius to 360 degrees for players in 5+ pieces of Heavy Armour.

Suhxtob-yu · July 2014

I was wearing full heavy armor as a Templar healer but recently changed to medium. Did fine in heavy, doing fine in medium.

Thechemicals · July 2014

The heavy armor passives are terribad. Only one reason to use heavy 5 0r 7 in pvp and that's to improve unstoppables timer and that's stretching it. Now if they made all ultimates power damage/non-magical, heavy would be essential.

Najarati · July 2014

SBR_QuorTek wrote: »

Well solution to stuff could be putting the actual armor skill every armor type require to be needing at least 5 pieces equipped to work... eg. it neuters immoveable to a 5pc heavy armor set for starters, but it is just a suggestion, it would also make reason to be a heavy armor user if you guys know what I mean... and for sure make PvP quite a bit more interesting

I've been in favor of this since beta. The fact you can use an armor line's active skill without actually wearing that type of armor still strikes me as a curious design decision.

OtarTheMad · July 2014

I actually wear heavy armor (and 2-handed or sometimes a bow or 1-hand and shield) on my DK build as I pretty much refuse to roll him in light armor and staff for roleplay reasons. I would think that down the line they would make heavy armor more viable in PvP like they are doing with stamina weapons and medium armor as it does need a little work.

Honestly I don't find it to be that bad although it is underpowered but yeah most abilities are magic based until they fix the weapon skill lines, when those go back to more useable in PvP then things will change.

Durham · July 2014

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Does anyone actually wear it? I'm just curious, as around 80% of players I seem to.see in PvP are wearing light armor..with a few nb's in medium.

maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Does anyone actually wear it? I'm just curious, as around 80% of players I seem to.see in PvP are wearing light armor..with a few nb's in medium.

You are correct most PvP'ers don't wear heavy, and certainly no good PvP'er wears heavy. It's a shame the armor is so inbalanced there is no viable option to wear heavy and do well in PvP. So most dps builds wear light and some NB's wear medium.

With that said, I agree witht the poster above who said, "you are not pathetically weak in heavy armour, just at a disadvantage". But no PvP'er worth his salt wants to be at a disadvantage hence heavy sucks for PvP.

It is situational, yes, currently in more cases light armor will be better because it has the best protection against most the damage in the game (magic). But....

Light Armor users are vulnerable to Bow. With 2 second snipe now they do alot of damage to people with low armor factor. A Sneak attack snipe will take light armor users below half life. Light armor users will get 3 or even killed by 2 shots. this can happen in 4 seconds.

Light Armor is also very vulnerbale to NBs. ALL the melee NB abilities are based off of the targets armor factor (even tho they are magika abilities)

As a NB, Light Armor users are usually much easier to kill than heavy armor users. My toughest fights are against heavy Armor DKs and Templars.

Also as a NB you should not wear light armor unless you are a caster spec. Your melee NB abilities are all based off of weapon crit. Enchanting 1 ring with +magic resist will gives you the magic resist of light armor

Also remember upgrading medium to purple/orange with a mix of crit resists and plus armer takes you much closer to heavy because of soft cap.. after upgrading to blue you are already over soft cap so upgrading means diminished returns in armer allowing medium to close the gap.. with AF buffs you difference shinks more...sad actually...

Durham · July 2014

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I actually wear heavy armor (and 2-handed or sometimes a bow or 1-hand and shield) on my DK build as I pretty much refuse to roll him in light armor and staff for roleplay reasons. I would think that down the line they would make heavy armor more viable in PvP like they are doing with stamina weapons and medium armor as it does need a little work.

Honestly I don't find it to be that bad although it is underpowered but yeah most abilities are magic based until they fix the weapon skill lines, when those go back to more useable in PvP then things will change.

I dropped down to medium and 2 light with Warlock equiped... Im like you but i do find this stronger then heavy/Light...plus i wear a resists neck that puts me over 2000k resists.....

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · July 2014

One of the biggest problems is that light armor people can use the heavy armor activated with 0 heavy equipped. They should change it to 5 or the very least 2/so you can't have 7 light and immovable

Cody · July 2014

the protection offered by the armor is nice.... but the passives are terrible. like many people pointed out, 80-90% of the attacks in this game are magical, so most people go Light armor, as light armor has WAY better passives for this kind of PvP. it also depends on who you face. I am a NB archer, in full medium armor, and I get stealth criticals in almost every battle I do. I can take out people in light armor easy, without snipe, as long as no one decides to come to their aid.(I love interrupting crystal frag spammers with venom arrow. lol. )its the heavy armor tanks that I cant seem to beat. they will block most of my attacks, and because they have a crap ton of armor, my attacks don't do very much, even if I get a stealth critical. I almost always need help from teammates to kill these kinds of players. hopefully they do ALOT of improving to heavy armor in the future, as Light armor is pretty much better nowadays.

SBR_QuorTek · July 2014

Another thing, make armor values mean something, eg. if your physical armor rating is low you would be super squishy towards stamina attacks... likewise if your magical armor rating is low you would be taking a bigger hit from magical attacks.... where as the fun part would come with in between everything you would be able to evade alot but when you luck out you would take moderate high damage from either side.

Would basically mean two mages could have a long battle vs each other as they both am higher resist towards magic... same with two DPS fighters... tank vs tank would also be stalemate and by that providing more diversity as well is another way to go, it would also reduce those trains of light armor people... when a group of stamina people rush in and simply just waste them like that.

Again some more thoughts to stuff and in general would be a more right way to go and either way no matter how you go you would be sor of forced to lean more one way or the othe way but group wise be needing much more diversity to succeed.

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO · July 2014

I really can't understand why zenimax haven't fixed heavy armor yet. What are they waiting?

Durham · July 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

the protection offered by the armor is nice.... but the passives are terrible. like many people pointed out, 80-90% of the attacks in this game are magical, so most people go Light armor, as light armor has WAY better passives for this kind of PvP. it also depends on who you face. I am a NB archer, in full medium armor, and I get stealth criticals in almost every battle I do. I can take out people in light armor easy, without snipe, as long as no one decides to come to their aid.(I love interrupting crystal frag spammers with venom arrow. lol. )its the heavy armor tanks that I cant seem to beat. they will block most of my attacks, and because they have a crap ton of armor, my attacks don't do very much, even if I get a stealth critical. I almost always need help from teammates to kill these kinds of players. hopefully they do ALOT of improving to heavy armor in the future, as Light armor is pretty much better nowadays.

Its because they are using shield more ... not because of the armor sorry .. Heavy does not make the impact that you think it does ..... I want to use to Heavy in PVP but why should I? I hit cap on Green Armor (this is a penilty)... I have endo issues ... I have power issues .... I also do less damage across the board...... Yes I might mitigate 10% maybe 15% if im lucky this is nothing, and should be more mitigation...

Durham · July 2014

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

One of the biggest problems is that light armor people can use the heavy armor activated with 0 heavy equipped. They should change it to 5 or the very least 2/so you can't have 7 light and immovable

Yes why is this taking sooooo long to fix ... Imovable should have been fixed 2 patches ago... Im so tired of seeing casters using this ability to beef up their resists and make them immune to CC............ Yes you are a tank you can charge up to interupt/CC a caster then they hit Immovable bam they have over 2k+ armor probally more they you have as a tank, plus they laugh at you and hit you with what ever they want to.... Probally cast a hot on themselves or stun you ... Then you start to try to DPS them down then you notice thier health is not moving lol...You are taking spell damage btw ... You are out of options at this point they will hit immovable again and if you run or do anything they will DPS you down .. sorry but you are dead lol ... This game need to bring melee back into the fold.. Currently it is (Elder Castolote Scrolls) Bash was nerfed to severly IMO also it not interupting like it should now ....

Relic_ESO · July 2014

I use armor set pieces over 5/2 combos depending on the situation. Soulshine and Undaunted for example, both require heavy, so i use them over full light sets. It serves me well. And i feel you're wrong. Many use light and heavy stam as fillers for dps so soft cap Armor IS worth it. Experience proven. Imo

jdroebuckb16_ESO · July 2014

I'm a Templar playing about with 5pc pact armour heavy set. Doesn't everyone mostly use aoe spells while rolling with a group? If so, your 5pc set reduces damage by 25%....? (5% to all damage, 20% to aoe/siege). Keep up harness magicka (annulment morph) to further reduce spell damage 50%.. Block constantly.... Keep up blazing shield to both stay alive and blow up in peoples faces... Stop blocking occasionally to click oil pots in middle of enemy zergs. Use heavy resto to regen magicka as needed. Use magicka pots on cool down.

Granted in 1 on 1 PVP your reliant on people simply blowing themselves up, (use eclipse on distance mages) or just getting tired of your survivability and leaving you alone. That said, I typically PVP mostly with my guild and we go capture keeps/scrolls so heavily guarded pinch points is my thing (which this feels best suited to)

Works in theory?

kijima · July 2014

I'm an NB in medium and while it's not as good as light, it's getting there slowly.

If I was a DK wanting something a little closer to stereotypical heavy armour wearing type of toon, then I'd be utterly disappointed in heavy armour.

IMO it also looks the best in game too.

Galrukh · July 2014

The fact that magicka builds out performs stamina builds combined with the inbuilt 42% spell penetration (whoever thought this was a good idea ?) just means that Light Armor is much, much better than the other 2 types since it both debuffs defense against the best skills in the game and protects a little against them at the same time.
My goodness I would love to see this fixed.
Make weapons dangerous so armor rating is actually important and dont focus the entire game on spells.

maxilaub17_ESO · July 2014

Galrukh wrote: »

The fact that magicka builds out performs stamina builds combined with the inbuilt 42% spell penetration (whoever thought this was a good idea ?) ...since it debuffs defense against the best skills in the game

I couldn't agree more, another wtf were the devs thinking issue.

Bashev · July 2014

jdroebuckb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm a Templar playing about with 5pc pact armour heavy set. Doesn't everyone mostly use aoe spells while rolling with a group? If so, your 5pc set reduces damage by 25%....? (5% to all damage, 20% to aoe/siege). Keep up harness magicka (annulment morph) to further reduce spell damage 50%.. Block constantly.... Keep up blazing shield to both stay alive and blow up in peoples faces... Stop blocking occasionally to click oil pots in middle of enemy zergs. Use heavy resto to regen magicka as needed. Use magicka pots on cool down.

You use heavy armor because of the set bonus not because of the armor passives.

Rylana · July 2014

There is a sense of real hilarity when a SnB Heavy DK with the right set bonuses (dominion and syrabane being two of them) just walks through a zergball for five minutes while the staffers scratch their heads.

Not me btw, but Ive seen it done before, and its fricken hysterical. "y u no die"

RedTalon · July 2014

I wear heavy armor in pvp on my main, it has some drawbacks againsts pure mage builds, but bow users and some nightblade builds can't harm me has much has the light armor uses next to me.

Also noticed I seem able to take damage and handle it better from siege weapons, on sure on why that it is.

Agrippa_Invisus · July 2014

Rylana wrote: »

There is a sense of real hilarity when a SnB Heavy DK with the right set bonuses (dominion and syrabane being two of them) just walks through a zergball for five minutes while the staffers scratch their heads.

Not me btw, but Ive seen it done before, and its fricken hysterical. "y u no die"

Resto Staff FTW.

Halrloprillalar · July 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

There is a sense of real hilarity when a SnB Heavy DK with the right set bonuses (dominion and syrabane being two of them) just walks through a zergball for five minutes while the staffers scratch their heads.

Not me btw, but Ive seen it done before, and its fricken hysterical. "y u no die"

Resto Staff FTW.

more like: scales-GDB-scales-GDB

then danananan batswarm