Just awful. Plain and simple.

Vatter · July 2014

I like the feedback. I appreciate your posts and responses. I wanna clear something up. I love this game. I want this game to succeed. I want to continue this game. But most importantly, I want to be able to play this game. I'm really glad that some of you do not experience the same issues I have. Which is awesome. I wish I could enjoy the level of game experience that you do. But sadly I don't. Mainly because of the performance issues. I run a MAC. I have above recommended specs. not minimum. recommended. There is nothing wrong with my computer or my connection. Let me repeat. There is NOTHING wrong with my computer or connection. I won't be spending $199 for a full version of windows to play this game. ty. but no. I also know that I am not alone. I realize that most of the people who participate in the these forums have no issues with playing this game and enjoy a fantastic gaming experience. But there are a lot of us who don't, simply because of these performance issues. That is the main root cause of this forum post. That is the main theme here. Some main points.
1. Cyrodiil has serious performance issues. ( might not be everyone. but it happens for more then some.)
2. There are some serious exploits that have not been addressed. (I cannot list them or the thread will be closed.)
3. After the main story line (lvl 50) things go stale. (again this is my opinion. some will agree others will not.)
4. the grouping system is awful. why? no one uses it.
5. Big balance issues. Templars and Blades are no where near on par to sorcs or dk's. (DK's are seriously overpowered. try to disagree. I dare you.)
Again, I love this game. But I simply can't justify paying for something I can't use. I'm really glad some of you are able to run this game on ultra and have no issues what-so-ever. I'm jelly.

Loco_Mofo · July 2014

I hope you get your tech issues sorted OP and can continue to enjoy the game.

Don't mind the rabid fanboys in here telling you to move on, for some reason they take it personally when someone has issues with the game.

Wolfshead · July 2014

@‌ Vatter

I have to say it your computer that is main problem you say you don't run anything in background but you still get crash well i run ESO on 2 year old computer and thing run in background and have never have crash since game went live but i have few in beta and blame solo on game and company is not real fair you sure you don't have virus program run in background some of virus program can make game crash and if happen every hour it sound to me that something on your computer is make game to crash.

ExiledKhallisi · July 2014

I play on medium settings on almsot 6 yr old laptop in middle of no where Alaska using low end DSL.......

I have crashed probably 3 times since release. Stop overclocking your rigs. Stop playing in wabbalag.

ExiledKhallisi · July 2014

Kulthax wrote: »

Guy comes here to vent a legit issue and look at the LOLs on his post. Pathetic. All that is left playing this game are the *** fanbois.

The forum community is probably less than10% of the total

Akiainavas · July 2014

How about instead of complaining about crashes and low performance you actually get a decent gaming rig ? Sorry but I've been playing with all my friends for a few months now and none of us have those issues. The game never crashed and performance is very decent, even though my GPU is 3 years old.

Also, if you're getting passed for raid content as a templar - then maybe you should revise your build ? Templar is one of the strongest DPS classes...

Vatter wrote: »

Crash, crash, lag, crash, log back in, dead. crash, rolled back to main camp, crash, lag, crash and crash.

Nope mate, just nope. There is something wrong with your PC, not the game. It can't happen on 1 PC and not happen on thousands of others. Reinstall the OS, run some diagnostics, check for overheating, maybe get more RAM, or get it checked, update your drivers...

Kubota · July 2014

I've only played around 15 hours, but I gotta tell you I have not had a single issue since installing.

Sindala · July 2014

Vatter wrote: »

I run a Mac

That there is your problem. Stop trying to be special, as you will already know NOTHING works on a MAC. It's not supported by anyone so stop trying to be a hipster and join the 21st century and get a PC.

PC = Personal Computer, usable for anything.
MAC = Word processor, erm....you can type stuff on it but that's about it.

Madval · July 2014

Never had a crash myself. Just change your computer. Have a nice day.

Eirikur · July 2014

For what it's worth, the game has never crashed for me, and I'm still having a blast. No doubt this makes you feel a whole lot better!

Mondo · July 2014

" I run a Mac" ha ha ha ha ha ha you Sir made my Day!

Mac is State of the Art for Gaming

Awesome

Akiainavas · July 2014

Sindala wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I run a Mac

That there is your problem. Stop trying to be special, as you will already know NOTHING works on a MAC. It's not supported by anyone so stop trying to be a hipster and join the 21st century and get a PC.

PC = Personal Computer, usable for anything.
MAC = Word processor, erm....you can type stuff on it but that's about it.

And there we go with PC superior race elitist bullsh...

For many applications, Macs are WAY better than PCs. And for many others PCs are better ( although games are probably the only one that comes to my mind ). EVERYTHING works on a Mac, and the apps usually work better - but not games. So really, stop with that "nothing works on a mac" because it's simply not true and you're just repeating stereotypes found on 9gag memes...

Anyway, whatever might be said - games are still not a Mac thing. It is changing, but it's not there yet and will probably never be to the same extent as PCs.

Install Windows under bootcamp and run ESO like that - it will run better that way.

AngryNord · July 2014

Sindala wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I run a Mac

That there is your problem. Stop trying to be special, as you will already know NOTHING works on a MAC. It's not supported by anyone so stop trying to be a hipster and join the 21st century and get a PC.

PC = Personal Computer, usable for anything.
MAC = Word processor, erm....you can type stuff on it but that's about it.

I like you

Aeradon · July 2014

Ah Cyrodiil.. The motherland of all crashes.

_subjectnamehere_ · July 2014

dharbert wrote: »

Macs are for video editing and graphic designers. Macs were never meant to be gaming powerhouses, which they aren't.

Don't even start. Not all of us are die-hard gamers. A mac can game just fine for those who are more casual. My updated iMac (2013) has a 2GB video card and 16GB's of ram, Intel 3.4GHz i7 processor.

That is more than enough to play this game.

tordr86b16_ESO · July 2014

AreoHotah wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

been playing eso for 6 hours now... not a single crash.

Been playing ESO for 3 months now on a 700 euro PC and not a single crash.

PVE boring?? I bet you rushed to VR12 and missed the beautiful storyline and quests and locations. Typical...

Quite simple this game is not for you. Move on. Bye.

lolwhut

rich_nicholsonb16_ESO · July 2014

Boring pve - probably the quest grind and I agree, quests sometimes take 10mins to complete and the reward some gold and a tiny bit of Xp. It's faster to grind mobs than quest grind. Some ppl out there like quests some don't but the game needs more choice how to level up.

Crashes - not experienced any but fps and lag is bad in pvp again.

Other games - good luck there is non out there unless you like blinding cartoon colours.

Kayira · July 2014

@Vatter how much RAM do you have on your Mac? There is still a small memory leak when playing the game on Mac and I have been crashing before due to insufficient RAM. My mac runs on 16Gb RAM and I haven't crashed that often since they patched it (I still crash every so often after 4-5h but it is not frequent anymore).

You can play this game perfectly fine on a Mac there are still some additional bugs (like spider boss in Crypts of Heart veteran... worse than in windows) but overall it is a very smooth and nice experience.

(I can already predict several lols for this comment due to the reason that I am on a Mac, guess what I did not buy a Mac to game it just ended up being used to play this game as well)

Akiainavas · July 2014

Kayira wrote: »

@Vatter how much RAM do you have on your Mac? There is still a small memory leak when playing the game on Mac and I have been crashing before due to insufficient RAM. My mac runs on 16Gb RAM and I haven't crashed that often since they patched it (I still crash every so often after 4-5h but it is not frequent anymore).

You can play this game perfectly fine on a Mac there are still some additional bugs (like spider boss in Crypts of Heart veteran... worse than in windows) but overall it is a very smooth and nice experience.

(I can already predict several lols for this comment due to the reason that I am on a Mac, guess what I did not buy a Mac to game it just ended up being used to play this game as well)

Remember that Macs are not designed to play video games. Neither are PCs - strictly speaking, but lets agree that video games are PC's realm, are dominated by PC enthusiasts and elitist. Whenever you mention a Mac on ANY video game forum ( maybe except EVE as I believe this one is almost as popular on Mac as it is on PC, if not more ) expect those people to immediately spit acid at you... and let them, meanwhile enjoy your fast, stable and buttery smooth OS

Kego · July 2014

Is there any reason for a mac besides it's look and..well it's look?

tordr86b16_ESO · July 2014

Akiainavas wrote: »

Kayira wrote: »

@Vatter how much RAM do you have on your Mac? There is still a small memory leak when playing the game on Mac and I have been crashing before due to insufficient RAM. My mac runs on 16Gb RAM and I haven't crashed that often since they patched it (I still crash every so often after 4-5h but it is not frequent anymore).

You can play this game perfectly fine on a Mac there are still some additional bugs (like spider boss in Crypts of Heart veteran... worse than in windows) but overall it is a very smooth and nice experience.

(I can already predict several lols for this comment due to the reason that I am on a Mac, guess what I did not buy a Mac to game it just ended up being used to play this game as well)

Remember that Macs are not designed to play video games. Neither are PCs - strictly speaking, but lets agree that video games are PC's realm, are dominated by PC enthusiasts and elitist. Whenever you mention a Mac on ANY video game forum ( maybe except EVE as I believe this one is almost as popular on Mac as it is on PC, if not more ) expect those people to immediately spit acid at you... and let them, meanwhile enjoy your fast, stable and buttery smooth OS

Sindala · July 2014

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Akiainavas wrote: »

Kayira wrote: »

@Vatter how much RAM do you have on your Mac? There is still a small memory leak when playing the game on Mac and I have been crashing before due to insufficient RAM. My mac runs on 16Gb RAM and I haven't crashed that often since they patched it (I still crash every so often after 4-5h but it is not frequent anymore).

You can play this game perfectly fine on a Mac there are still some additional bugs (like spider boss in Crypts of Heart veteran... worse than in windows) but overall it is a very smooth and nice experience.

(I can already predict several lols for this comment due to the reason that I am on a Mac, guess what I did not buy a Mac to game it just ended up being used to play this game as well)

Remember that Macs are not designed to play video games. Neither are PCs - strictly speaking, but lets agree that video games are PC's realm, are dominated by PC enthusiasts and elitist. Whenever you mention a Mac on ANY video game forum ( maybe except EVE as I believe this one is almost as popular on Mac as it is on PC, if not more ) expect those people to immediately spit acid at you... and let them, meanwhile enjoy your fast, stable and buttery smooth OS

could do with another bunch under the console peasants called the Mac stable boys.

Akiainavas · July 2014

Kego wrote: »

Is there any reason for a mac besides it's look and..well it's look?

- Tons of unique OS features
- integration with services between OS X and iOS
- bunch of quality apps
- stability ( although that changed a little bit for the worse recently )
- security ( whatever the reason is, malware and viruses are almost non-existent when compared to Windows)
- free updates
- unified user interface
- fast and responsive UI
- and a lot of exclusive apps that are not available on other platforms and are in my opinion better then their Windows equivalents.

That is - if you asked seriously, and not as a scornful comment. Macs are great for a bunch of stuff - it's just gaming isn't one of them.

tino.antoninieb17_ESO · July 2014

Some guys here never heard of performance problems this game have ? Really ? Ok guys now just browse forums and try to read some of extensive materials u have there. You will notice that performance problems are not exclusive Mac issue. Even if it is - ZOS advertised and sold game to people who run Macs. Now some of you guys are laughing at people who payed and cant play ? You think that his rig ( recommended setup ) is not good enough and still u think that problem is on his side ? I will tell u from personal experience that performance issue is on game and not rig side. How i know ?
I have rig dedicated to this game. I just play this game on it . Never do other stuff nor play with setup. Had problems with fps on 3 occasions ( 4-5 days each time ) . Fps problem just appear for me( 5-10 fps in cyro during large clashes) and like it came unprovoked that way it just goes away ( 25-30 fps large clashes in cyro ). That is how i know that problem is not on players side.
My message here is that if u dont have problem it doesn't mean that problem doesn't exist and dont be so cocky or u may be next.

With rest of op opinion i don't agree.

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO · July 2014

dharbert wrote: »

Macs are for video editing and graphic designers. Macs were never meant to be gaming powerhouses, which they aren't.

LOL u are pathetic...
guess Zenimax should never had developed the mac version from the beginning ? and steam & blizzard & developers all over the world should just cancel all mac related development ?
and why not just scrap the OpenGL development also ?

Malpherian · July 2014

I would always use a pc/windows for gaming, You can't beat a PC in that area. Mac is meant for software and graphic design. Not gaming. Doesn't matter what kind of mac you have they are not actually made for it.

Can you game with them? sure. Will your experience be anywhere close to what it would be on a PC? Not a chance in hell.

If you want a decent gaming PC at a good price mail me, I build them for a living.

Knootewoot · July 2014

Akiainavas wrote: »

Kego wrote: »

Is there any reason for a mac besides it's look and..well it's look?

- security ( whatever the reason is, malware and viruses are almost non-existent when compared to Windows)

The reason is because nobody wants to program that for a minority. If 5% of the world had windows and 95% had a MAC, then it would be the other way around.

henrycupcakerwb17_ESO · July 2014

Sindala wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I run a Mac

That there is your problem. Stop trying to be special, as you will already know NOTHING works on a MAC. It's not supported by anyone so stop trying to be a hipster and join the 21st century and get a PC.

PC = Personal Computer, usable for anything.
MAC = Word processor, erm....you can type stuff on it but that's about it.

why should we already know NOTHING works on a mac or its just based on your empty assumption ?

yea yea yea , And there we go with PC superior race elitist bullish.. god... thats what nerds are huh ? you ve obviously led a very sad and difficulty lie to be so twisted

i aint gonna let a lame windows pc ruin my room's interior design ...
( well , razer / alienware/ origin PC are acceptable,but still, NERD )

who doesn't love the mac's design with the all-white aesthetic favored by Jonathan Ive and Steve Jobs ? ah , right , NERD

and nerds like this are probably a fandroid/ google fanboi , you do know even google's headquarter uses like 40,000 + mac right ?

How Google manages over 40,000 Macs…without much help from Apple

http://9to5mac.com/2013/11/27/how-google-manages-over-40000-macs-without-much-help-from-apple/

Akiainavas · July 2014

Knootewoot wrote: »

Akiainavas wrote: »

Kego wrote: »

Is there any reason for a mac besides it's look and..well it's look?

- security ( whatever the reason is, malware and viruses are almost non-existent when compared to Windows)

The reason is because nobody wants to program that for a minority. If 5% of the world had windows and 95% had a MAC, then it would be the other way around.

Whatever the reason is - the fact is they're still more secure, even if the reason for that is less popularity. All Unix based systems and their siblings are more secure in general, that includes OS X, Linux etc.

Oh, and please don't tell me that Linux is more secure because it's less popular

Most of the servers on this planet run on linux based operating systems... The world of IT doesn't revolve around Windows and games, it's funny how people who use their PCs MAINLY for games and not much else are suddenly experts in IT, just because they can buy high-end expensive gear and put the GPU in the motherboard

CapuchinSeven · July 2014

er guys, while I'm sure you're all software engineers and computer scientists, so this maybe doesn't need to be said but I'll say it anyway (because clearly it does).

Just because many people are not crashing but some are does not mean their computers have to be the fault, ZOS have mentioned crashing problems a number of times, it's perfectly possible for the game to be 100% at fault while only effecting a small number of users.

You can't post "YOU'RE TO BLAME NOOB" when ZOS have already stated crashing problems are being worked on.

Fact is, the people who come to posts like this with comments like "*scoff scoff scoff* erm no, I'm enjoying the game, it works fine *scoff scoff scoff*" are the very reason the game industry is such a mess for gamers but makes bucket loads of cash for companies like EA.

This game is a buggy mess, and while bugs will never go away, some of them are not only inexcusable, they are pushed out anyway. I can't help but laugh whenever I look at the Nights Silence set, not only changed for some random reason from health regen to sneak increase, but given a crazy value like 200% AND then doesn't actually work. But of course, pushed out anyway. That's a single tiny bug, comically there are far worse, pushed out despite warnings on the test server.

The more you defend that, the more games will be released before they are ready because a shareholder or a suit wants to make money of people that lap it up.