Do you care about lore?

SFBryan18 · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Khajiit aren't supposed to be that racist.

Kafolarbear · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Khajiit aren't supposed to be that racist.

Outside of the khajiit role-play, (as dopey but fun as it is) we deserve to be cut some slack after morrowind and skyrim.

SFBryan18 · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Kafolarbear wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Khajiit aren't supposed to be that racist.

Outside of the khajiit role-play, (as dopey but fun as it is) we deserve to be cut some slack after morrowind and skyrim.

I just remember High Elves and Nords being pretty racist, but the Khajiit were never really like that. They always seemed very relaxed like sort of a Bob Marley kind of perspective. Weren't they also into Skooma, or was that just the Argonians?

Auralia · July 2014

Yes, Not a lore stickler though.

Yes, I care about the lore, but am not a stickler and don't mind if they are flexible and change it a bit.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Anastasia wrote: »

Dcaliber wrote: »

So after reading the comments from the lastest poll, Which race would you like to see?
(http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121283/which-race-would-you-like-to-see-on-teso-and-why/p1), I saw that a lot of people care about the lore. This may not be a new thing to TES players, but in all MMOs the lore fans are very low. Not many even care about lore. I'm very glad to see a lot of ESO players do care about lore. It does make ZoS's job harder with new content though.
P.S Dragon Break!

**"but in all MMOs the lore fans are very low. Not many even care about lore."
Huge trite assumption I disagree with. Lore and storyline have always been fairly important and of interest to myself and the PvE folks I've guilded with. Please don't try to further crimp open the supposed divide between players who have mainly a background of pc MMO's and those who have primarily played single player games.

I have plenty of friends who played the ES games and while they may read some of the lore, they were most interested in their armor, stats, the huge map/exploring and/or combat.

Really, MMO'rs can read too and may even, *gasp, enjoy and actually be able to immerse themselves in the lore AT THE SAME TIME THEY ENJOY BEING COMPETITIVE!!

having played MMOs before TES, I agree that most MMO'rs don't care about lore.

You might, but most don't.

WoW is even doing away with the pesky fluff for their newer quests.

Grunim · July 2014

Yes, Not a lore stickler though.

Having decent lore is important to me in any RPG whether it's single player, multi player, offline, online or whatever. Taking some artistic license with the lore is fine with me if it helps tell an interesting story or provide some great atmosphere.

Kafolarbear · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Kafolarbear wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Khajiit aren't supposed to be that racist.

Outside of the khajiit role-play, (as dopey but fun as it is) we deserve to be cut some slack after morrowind and skyrim.

I just remember High Elves and Nords being pretty racist, but the Khajiit were never really like that. They always seemed very relaxed like sort of a Bob Marley kind of perspective. Weren't they also into Skooma, or was that just the Argonians?

Sadly despite the near (946?) year difference between TESO and Skyrim, many khajiit are still addicted to skooma after near 1000 years and likewise looked down upon by the rest of the khajiiti community.

To answer the first question: Dunmer, Nords, Altmer, and to some degree Bosmer are all offenders, the worst being the Dunmer taking many khajiit (as well as argonians and bretons) as slaves.

Edit: I cant tell you how much I hate doing quests for our slavers in the Ebonheart pact.

hk11 · July 2014

No, I'm a fan of the gameplay, not the lore

Technically I do hate all lore nerds I have met in person. Didn't want to generalize though.

Noctisse · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Of course I care about lore.
The ES universe has very extensive and interesting lore, and the fact that some of it appears in ESO is one of the things that make this game more of an Elder Scrolls game and less of a generic fantasy MMO in my opinion.

Lynx7386 · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Khajiit arent typicaly racist, no, but they were (by some accounts) denizens of tamriel long before any elves or men arrived.

Enkil · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Kafolarbear wrote: »

Edit: I cant tell you how much I hate doing quests for our slavers in the Ebonheart pact.

Not all Dumer are slavers... Mostly House Dres which a lot of Dunmer detest as well and House Telvanni which is not part of the Pact...

Noctisse · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Khajiit arent typicaly racist, no, but they were (by some accounts) denizens of tamriel long before any elves or men arrived.

True, along with Hist Trees and Argonians.
But Khajiit do have some extra bragging rights, because cats.

SFBryan18 · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Well, it's hard to say if the Khajiit were in Tamriel before the Dwemer because not a lot is know that far back.

Noctisse · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Well, it's hard to say if the Khajiit were in Tamriel before the Dwemer because not a lot is know that far back.

Not sure about that...If the Dwemer moved to Tamriel from Aldmeri around the same time as the other mer, then Khajiit & Argonians are definitely older. If not...nobody knows

ThisOnePosts · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Don't f*** with the lore! It's great.... it's what I get bored of with MMOs after hitting max level... I usually speed to max level and then that's it. This and TSW.. have amazing lore. TOR has okay lore, but it was like Bioware's B team not their Mass Effect quality team nor KOTOR 1 quality team... so TOR was just okay.. but still better than all other MMOs in lore other than ESO and TSW imo. So many acronyms!!! XD

Nazon_Katts · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Without it, I wouldn't be playing.

amm7sb14_ESO · July 2014

Yes, Not a lore stickler though.

" Yes, Not a lore stickler though."

I like the lore of Elder Scrolls, but when I'm creating my characters and their backstories, I sometimes fudge lore a bit to suit my needs for my character, their abilities, and my roleplay.

I like the lore, but I don't think I am as attached to it as others. I.E.: lore isn't why I play Elder Scrolls games. I play Elder Scrolls games for a certain style of gameplay and character designing and building and development that is massively appealing to me, moreso than other games.

It's been my largest disappointment with ESO, it doesn't feature the same elements of gameplay and character building that to me are the cornerstone of Elder Scrolls.

However, from a lore department, ESO is strong, and some of my recent experiences with the lore have really given my outlook of this game a positive boost. And the skills and character building, while not ideal for me, still does offer some levels of customization not found in a lot of MMO's

Lynx7386 · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Well, it's hard to say if the Khajiit were in Tamriel before the Dwemer because not a lot is know that far back.

Topal the Pilot, an aldmeri explorer, made notes reporting their first encounters with the "native cat-men" as they sailed the rivers of tamriel. The dwemer come from the Aldmeri, just like all other elves. They're not native to tamriel.

Of course, there's a contradictory creation myth many khajiit believe which states that khaijit were taken from "forest elf stock" and changed by azurah to be what they are now, linked to the moons. If you go by that creation myth, some elves were in tamriel before even the aldmer, and the khajiit were created from them (but those forest elves are usually believed to be the bosmer, which come from the aldmeri as well, so they couldnt have been there before the khajiit).

Sload, imga, and dreugh are also apparently pre-mer races native to tamriel.

AngryNord · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

lecarcajou_ESO wrote: »

Orcs suddenly riding around on choppers and goblins driving cars through their steampunk town were some of the things that turned me off to WoW, for example.

Instead, in ESO, we all of a sudden got Orcs that pretty much look like humans with fangs, and are the most nimble of all the races, when in all ES games, they've been big, slow, brutish and of low intelligence but strong (not nimble!) physique...

yiasemi · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Yes it makes the backdrop real, and gives meaning to the motivations of each character we play. I expect cosmetic and game-play changes, they happen every time a new version comes out. The feel is more than elder scrolls enough for me. Take time to explore and chat to NPCs rather than rushing to the next waypoint, and it feels like an elder scrolls world. It can be Morrowind or WoW depending on how you play.

The_Sadist · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Lore fanatic here personally.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · July 2014

I don't care either way.

The trouble with 'lore' is that it's flexible and so easily retconned .. I'm very interested in lore in off-line games but in MMOs it's often the first casualty of game design to pander to various sub-groups of players: LOTRO is a case in point, vast lore-breaks regularly throughout its life, Moria being one of the biggest.

ZOS already have 'bent' the lore in some areas, though nothing major that I have seen so far, however I think it's only a matter of time ...

Sotha_Sil · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

I love it. Although I still don't know why they did Craglorn... I don't find this very interesting concerning the lore.

But I'm really excited about Orsinium. That's really something I was expecting and we will see it.

gtclm67b16_ESO · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Lore is among main differences between a RPG and a non-RPG, isn't it ?
I've always been curious about my MMOs lore, not equally for all of them, of course.

AlexDougherty · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

The Elder Scrolls has a rich tapestry of Lore, how could we not enjoy it, it has both depth and quantity, covering thousands of years of history. There are stories and accounts that show culture, personality, and humour. The various law books (usually Dwemer) give a stark insight into cultures (fictional but cultures nonetheless), while the occassional historical book shows the characters at important points in Tamriels history. And then there are Philospohy and plays, and myths, and instruction books (magical, alchemical, and cookery plus more)

Of course it's important :Rolleyes:

Kinsaven · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

I think a majority of the people who play ESO were already Elder Scrolls fans to begin with, so you will find a lot more people who care about lore since that is a big part of any Elder Scrolls game.

Personally, lore is something that can make or break a game for me. I can more easily forgive some faults in gameplay than I can forgive the lack of a good story and background. Good lore is just very important to me.

shehieb17_ESO · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Malthorne wrote: »

The lore is a big reason as to why I'm playing ESO.

I'm also very pleased by the poll results so far!

Poll results are not 100% correct though: Lore nerds are generally people who like reading/writing, and forums mostly are populated by such people. Considering that most of the hardcore MMOers already left ESO, I'd say we only have lore nerders remaining onboard.

Hilgara · July 2014

No, I'm a fan of the gameplay, not the lore

This game had attracted a lot of TES fans (obviously) who are well into the lore of Tamriel. That's fine, I've always found serious lore nerds and RP'res a bit strange myself but to each his own.

Where you have to be careful is to what degree to you cater to that particular customer base? As long as the lore doesn't negetively impact on the gameplay it doesn't really matter but when you start to shape the game to suit their preferences you can often impact on the gameplay.

There aren't enough TES lore fans in the world to maintain this MMO as a sub based concern. You also have to draw in those from the full spectrum of gamers. All the way from the hardcore theory crafters who don't give a damn about the lore and just want to unravel the mechanics to the completionist nerds who read every single book, talk to every NPC and listen to every dialogue, making notes as they go.

There has to be something for them all to do. It has to have width as well as depth. At this stage in ESO's development I think its leaning a little to far towards the lore driving the game rather then the game driving the lore.

RianaTheBosmer · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

The whole thing about the series is the lore and I am a lore wh@re, admittedly so. I love the Elder Scrolls games because of the lore, the world of immersion that you are cast into.

Akiainavas · July 2014

Yes, it is one of my favorite things in ESO

Lore is one of the things that make ESO great for me, even if it has its problems and bugs. It makes ESO feel "full and meaningful" because the world has all the lore behind it. It makes a difference when compared to games like Rift, which is a good game, but the world feels shallow etc.