p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Jeez, I'd better go apologize to all those poor sorcerers & dragonknight vampires that I've killed. Apparently, with me being a nightblade, that wasn't supposed to happen.

I have NB that performs well, thank you. Almost killing everyone from stealth and is only level 40. Same with my Templar and especially my DK.

But you didn't read more than the second paragraph? I do not complain about classes or tactics. However, I do point the obvious ones.

And that the more power they put in the game, the less fun in the game, and ends up "who ever hits first wins". Which makes the game actually pointless.

Hence why Beta was so much better, because there wasn't that exponential powercreep.

I read your whole post. I was responding to this...

If you are not a Vampire, you aren't going to do much.
If you are not a Dragonknight or a Sorcerer, you are sub par.

I disagree that we aren't going to do much and are sub-par. There's also the fact that kills alone do not equal victory in this game.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

If you are not a Vampire, you aren't going to do much.
If you are not a Dragonknight or a Sorcerer, you are sub par. Because they have better AoE abilities and more CC than Nightblades and Templars.

This is a totally bogus analysis.
Calling out sorc as being superior in any way is a total joke as it has the absolutey least survivability of all the classes if they actually stay to fight and not run away. Sorc aoe damage comes from destro staff or mage's guild which is available to everyone. The one class ability they have is never used cause it costs way too much (ie daedric mines).

As for cc you have to be joking! NB can stun lock and templar can spear spam you to death. We all know about the shield rush claw expolit from DK. Sorc doesn't have anything that they can cc lock you to death with. Streak is an annoyance at best and only kills if someone has already been brought to the brink of death already through other players aoes. Other than knockdown from fragments they have no class only pvp usable cc as it takes too long to cast (ie rune prison) or sucks too much power (ie encase). You only see it from an occassional new guy that hasn't figured that out yet. The 2 ultimates they have are only situationally usable and require recharging after using once unlike the spammable cc from other classes.

PvP success comes from survivability more than damage meaning self healing and the sorc is the weakest of all for this in class abilities:

Templar has an entire self healing line plus a couple lifetaps.

DK has inhale, dragon blood, and fire whip. Plus they can reflect and reduce damage. Self regen so high extremely hard to take down.

NB with the proper swallow soul build, sap essence, leeching strike, soul siphon is deadly and hard to bring down as it all lifetaps especially combo'd with a resto.

The classes above have great lifetaps which you would think would be the domain of the sorc ala necro but it isn't.
What does sorc have? Crap
Sorc gets Crit Surge which requires you to crit to heal. It isn't guaranteed like the others and crits in pvp are reduced in frequency. The only other heal they have is Dark Deal which will heal alot but sucks all your stamina and makes you vulnerable while using it prostrating you in the air slowing movement to stealth speed and is interrupted if hit, pretty much only good out of the fight. Use it mid fight guaranteed death. Sorc doesn't get these great battle usable lifetaps other classes have. The measley little 100pt return from a fragment is a joke and negligible.

So stop whining about sorc claiming they are strong just because they can run away. It is stupid. I would give up streak any day to have the lifetaps other classes have. We should hvae some necro lifetap abilities but for some jacked up reason we are the only class that doesn't. It is totally backwards.

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

These comments were obviously made about early release pvp. Yes now nightblade and templar are better and sorcs are still able to run at will.

I'd rather have a decent battle usable lifetap like others than have to run for survivability. Sad when running is all you have and being reliant on a healer being nearby. I see no logical reason why a NB should have better lifetaps than a caster.

what ya gonna do when spell crafting is implemented?

@Imperator_Clydus , @Zero_Tolerance‌,

Thank you for reading my whole post and didn't stay on the paragraph two examples, like everyone else did.

@p_tsakirisb16_ESO‌, with the upcoming changes to softcaps, I fortunately think that the PvP experience will become closer to what you described from early beta PvP.

People will have much higher regen stats but their attribute stats will stay about the same. That means that people generally will be harder to kill and resource management will play a more significant role.

OP and Imperator Clydus you two hit enough nails on the head to build a fleet of Noah's Arks. Speaking as a veteran of early day Volendrung, I much preferred the pug environment of rolling with a nearly-full raid of 10s-40s or so, but as time passed and people hit vet that was about the time the unkillable DK emp builds came out. Soon after followed the plague of emp farming, and I can count on one hand the amount of people from all factions who earned emp because they clawed their way to the top, held onto power, and only relinquished it after much suffering and torment. One of the funnest emps to run with from EP was a mere 39 when he achieved his title, ironically he did so with the help of a guild of strong PVPers who instead of helping the EP community as a whole, indulged themselves with emp trading, to the point where they alienated the majority of the pug populace and other factions.

The worst part is you just cannot call these people out on their faults. They will not listen to any criticism for them it is 'learn to play" "we're not op you just fail". I am reminded of an analogy I read in a forum from a separate game where someone compared game mechanics to a study on how businesses work. Basically what happened is a particular business suffered a decline in revenue and investigation showed that a small clientele had effectively bullied away the majority of the everyday customers, until they made the business more like what "they" wanted.

There is no pvp anymore on Volendrung, nor any other server but the 'high trafficked' ones. Volendrung is basically the buff reservoir for the current elite guild that cheeseballed their way through emp farming, gutting the server to suit their own needs, and they selfishly defend their actions. I'd gotten somewhat bored with running Scout Brindle quests (because the daily seems to give you the remotest location available all the time) so I decided to dip my toe in the recent Dawnbreaker craze...and I see the same members of this guild there and I feel sickened. I can't stand being in eyesight of them, seeing them reminds me of what they did to the campaign and how they gloated about it. I actually exited DB and went back to running scout quests.

If the campaigns were designed to accommodate 2000 players each, you'd think if say a million or more people played ESO, the servers would be moderately full, but if there is that few people playing Cyro, that speaks for more than just PVP in general. Having worked in retail for almost a decade, I know first hand it is a poor decision to neglect legitimate complaints. While I understand development is a painstaking process, there were very simple measures that could have been taken to curtail such rampant exploitation. How many people including myself requested emp farming (in my definition using excessive force and exploitative tactics to secure the inner ring then relinquishing it within the hour with a token/nonexistant defense as well as colluding with opposing factions) be considered a bannable offense, and cries were drowned out by the same culprits responsible for the state of PVP currently? I can't think of any other game where using exploits is permitted for so long and so flagrantly.

The worst part of it is the whole min-maxing aspect behind emp farming and exploitative builds/tactics. Being a veteran of a older MMO, I remember too well how when I attempted to enter the 'hardcore raiding scene" I was expected to sacrifice the elements of my class that I enjoyed personally to make things 'more convenient' for everyone else. I wanted to play my class a certain way, yet I was constantly expected if not demanded to spec in such a way that I would be no more than a mana battery for a 'better class".

Now I play a sorc, but I play a very oddball build. I aimed for a classic "witchhunter' of the older ES games specializing in bow and spells. I have a personal philosophy of 'do the best you can with what you got". I brew my own potions and cook my own food, but I won't deviate from my chosen playstyle just to eke out more dps or glean more points. If you choose to minmax that's your entitled choice, but expecting it from a community as a whole then punishing them in the process is inherently wrong and despicable. I would hope that some of these elite guilds would understand the impact they've had, but most of the time the only responses they field is that they are best and everyone else is less than a person.

Just thought I'd add, I don't have a photobucket or imgr account or the like for various reasons, but currently the score on Vol is EP around 150k, AD at close to 50k, and DC at almost 10k....AD and DC's scores have not changed in the last two-three WEEKS. If either of them get the courage to field a decent raid and take so much as a keep, a node, a outpost, they are descended upon with impunity by the reigning elite guild. This guild does not want legitimate pvp unless they have the advantage. They want the buffs, and now it's gotten to the point where everyone and their actual mom has former emperor buffs, so basically they're back to square one. They made the sandbox and have to play in it with everyone else then wonder why it's full of so much crap.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Baphomet wrote: »

@p_tsakirisb16_ESO‌, with the upcoming changes to softcaps, I fortunately think that the PvP experience will become closer to what you described from early beta PvP.

People will have much higher regen stats but their attribute stats will stay about the same. That means that people generally will be harder to kill and resource management will play a more significant role.

Lets hope so, but I have no faith. Higher softcaps, will mean that more damage to be done.

Went on PTS, tried my "new"crafted gear, and believe me when you have a spell that hits for 1100 "normal" damage, and crits for twice as much, you lose fait.

And yes was normal "class" spell. And some classes have already spells going to that area, and will do more when comes to Update 3.

It's probably worth noting that though many of the softcaps are being raised, the Spell Damage softcap (which impacts all class skills) is actually being lowered.

Samadhi wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Baphomet wrote: »

@p_tsakirisb16_ESO‌, with the upcoming changes to softcaps, I fortunately think that the PvP experience will become closer to what you described from early beta PvP.

People will have much higher regen stats but their attribute stats will stay about the same. That means that people generally will be harder to kill and resource management will play a more significant role.

Lets hope so, but I have no faith. Higher softcaps, will mean that more damage to be done.

Went on PTS, tried my "new"crafted gear, and believe me when you have a spell that hits for 1100 "normal" damage, and crits for twice as much, you lose fait.

And yes was normal "class" spell. And some classes have already spells going to that area, and will do more when comes to Update 3.

It's probably worth noting that though many of the softcaps are being raised, the Spell Damage softcap (which impacts all class skills) is actually being lowered.

what? for serious? where is this coming from?

For quick reference:

New softcaps:

Bashev wrote: »

Here you can see the new soft caps of the stats.
PvP

PvE

Current softcaps:

Atreyu wrote: »

Xnemesis wrote: »

can you post a comparison between PTS and Live?

here are LIVE

152 Spell Damage cap down to 129 Spell Damage cap.

Pretty much everything else is increasing though.

Renuo wrote: »

Yes but 130 is pretty much what everyone already has (that run a spell damage build).

Indeed, and given how many are using Warlock set, I doubt they are near 119 either.
My Khajiit Templar has 131, with 2 gold glyphs.

Which will become obsolete, the moment the new armour sets are out

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

I played mainly at Cyrodiil from January beta, until the last one. (Jan beta made me pre-order the game)

It was fun, great fun I must say. But since the week two after launch is not any more.

Why, some might ask.


SNIP

These are my thoughts, and I would like to know if someone else shares the same opinion.
I do not plan to leave the game, nor propose "my solution" as usually is "accustomed". I just write my thoughts to see if anyone else around believe that less is more when comes to abilities and "power" when comes to Cyrodiil, hence we enjoy it a lot more in Beta.

Thanks.

its like warhammer all over again . to almost everyone you ask who played it , the best pvp was in tier 1 and 2. Simply because all the op FOTM builds and balanced issues didn,t emerge till the top tiers

so with less abilities and disparity between the classes made it more fun