I think that Sheogorath should hand each mod the Wabbajack. That should take care of it.

None of these options really fit how I feel about things.

The report button works in theory, but in my experience, it's the trolls who can dish it out but can't take it who use the button. They post something reprehensible; someone calls them on their behavior; they report that someone; that someone gets a post removed and a warning. The troll's post remains, because the people trying to make a better community don't use the report tool. They're trying to use the powerful tool of shame to convince others to behave better. They're trying to self-police the community.

But because trolls are bullies and cowards, they jump on the report button as soon as someone gives them the response they've earned. And the wrong person receives action by ZOE mods.

How I actually feel is that the forum mods here should be using a lot more judgement and a lot less sticking to black-and-white rules that weren't necessarily that well-thought-out.

I wouldn't be surprised if some people intentionally provoke others so they can use the "flag".

Therefore stay calm and friendly, in 10 years WOW I never got a warning and I do intend the same at ESO

Insignia91 wrote: »

I think if you get bullied on a forum you fail at life.. I mean seriously don't reply to another person who is being disrespectful.

I agree and disagree with this just because of how its worded. If someone is luring you and you feel yourself heating up just back away trust me its for the best but sometimes you can get sucked in without realizing it and bam it turns into an issue so I wouldn't say you fail at life that's a bit harsh XD Just try to be aware of whats going on when you make posts. Easiest way to tell I have found is make 1 counter argument with good logic, if they still seem to argue with you and ignore the logic completely back away.

My solution:

Whenever you get trolled, bullied, or baited, a mod should be required to tell you to stop letting yourself get trolled, bullied and baited.

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Im fine with how things are currently , but i dont report people almost never , hell , from day one to now mayb once or twice.

I have been using the forums often , honestly i dont see much that breaks the rules , mostly is just people that disagree with one another.

Good point, it does seem like a lot of times its just two sides getting overheated and letting the whole situation blow up out of proportion.

DeLindsay wrote: »

The underlying problem isn't that Mods don't respond, it's that people who maybe don't like a certain player can spam report against players for comments that don't remotely fit in any description of the CoC's definitions in some attempt to get people banned. The second issue is Mods have even said it's a very gray area in regards to defining what is and what is not against CoC. Third, some people seem to get comments removed that are identical to other comments that are allowed to stay. This shows that either there are players on the rampage to get a few banned or that the Mods aren't universally acting against ALL comments.

The solution? Even Mods are Human and make mistakes, have time issues, get annoyed by constant reporting that isn't a reportable offense, etc. I think as we continue to grow as a community things will improve and less hate filled threads will be seen.

I really hope this is how the community grows. I have seen some become nothing but griefers and others that become proper community's that discuss issues with understanding of opposite views. I think part of it lately anyways is that tensions have been high for a lot of players, doesn't happen to everyone but I have had a few days of playing where it is just crash after crash or other issues and after awhile it can take its toll. The smart thing to do is just take a break from everything and go do something else but isn't always how things go.

seanolan wrote: »

I have yet to see anything I considered "bullying" on here. Sure, trolling and flaming, but insulting someone is not automatically bullying. Bullying implies repetitive and methodical behavior targetted at one person or a group of people sharing a common trait.

For instance, if I disagree with you, I am not doing any of those things. If I call you a moron because I disagree with you (or just for the heck of it) then I am flaming you, but not necessarily trolling or bullying you. If I disagree with you just for the heck of it, to draw you into anger and useless disagreement, that would be trolling, but not flaming nor bullying. If I target you across multiple posts and/or multiple threads, then I am engaging in bullying behavior. I have yet to see any of this latter behavior.

I would disagree simply on the terminology. In my mind trolling, flaming etc is just a type of bullying, one instance of it is still bullying. Multiple instances of that would be more along the lines of Harassment. Just a difference in what terms mean what though. In the end you can always just call it for what it is: just somebody being an ass.

I completely dislike how someone who has a different opinion and isn't afraid to be blunt about things is labeled a troll.
Ditto to those trying to inject a little humor into things.

I'll say this:

Currently, it seems that one can be suspended from the forums...and in doing so, one will also lose game time.
Should this ever happen to me for speaking my mind, they've lost a customer.

MercyKilling wrote: »

I completely dislike how someone who has a different opinion and isn't afraid to be blunt about things is labeled a troll.
Ditto to those trying to inject a little humor into things.

I'll say this:

Currently, it seems that one can be suspended from the forums...and in doing so, one will also lose game time.
Should this ever happen to me for speaking my mind, they've lost a customer.

I wouldn't say they are immediately labeled a troll, at least I have never seen that. There is a pretty clear difference between someone trying to make a joke and someone picking on another with the intent of making them mad. The same would go for anyone who simply speaks their mind, although some things are simply offensive and you have to watch what you say, once again though there's a clear difference between an accident and intending to cause anger and frustration. It is the mods responsibility to look at the entire situation I think and determine what is really going on. I haven't had a situation personally where I disagreed with their decision but enough have commented about it that it has happened at times.

You can't fix internet people.

How do you think Trolling/Bullying/Baiting should be handled on the forums by mods.

Personally I think the Mods should stop doing it ! Its very unprofessional and Zenimax should reprimand them for it...rofl

Valn wrote: »

You must have been trolled pretty hard to make a thread like this

Have in the past, I think a lot have at some point or another. I made the post though just because of how heated things got with the whole steam and wolfhound issue etc. Maybe the discussion could have gone better if things were done differently not just by the mods but by us the players, not sure, but wanted to discuss it nonetheless.

Reivax wrote: »

Everyone should just grow a thicker skin, if you ask me. Like that stupid germ killing lotion you see everywhere now, it will just result in people having less exposure to germs, and deny their body the chance to build immunities against them. Nobody ever died from touching the same shopping cart as some runny-nosed kid, and no one is ever going to die from some fool baiting you in a forum.

Perhaps not. But I can guarantee that more consumers will shop somewhere else that cleans their carts and doesn't have snot infested communities given the option. The "Thick Skin" argument is simply a rationalization to justify poor behavior at the expense of others.