blatant AD and DC collusion on Wabba

PlagueMonk · July 2014

So DC is holding 5 of the 6 scrolls and the majority of the keeps right now and instead of AD trying to get their keeps/scrolls back they are attacking EP? (along with DC of course). Real BS that you are helping DC catch up, can't win w/o help?

I thought the idea was that the two underdogs would team up to take out the king on the hill but all I ever see is AD (the kings atm) and DC (AD's lapdogs apparently) teaming up to attack EP endlessly. Really gets tiresome and discouraging to have to constantly fight a 2 front war.

Well Zenimax your "system" is failing.

Gaettusk · July 2014

A simple fix would be to remove guesting and make AP gains get halved if a faction doesn't have both of their scrolls. AP reduction of 25% for each scroll. Nothing will get fixed though: ZoS doesn't care about its PvP system. So slow at fixing all the exploits

shimmyatwa_ESO · July 2014

Didn't seem to bother you when AD helped you all win the last campaign lol. But try again, we've been fighting AD and EP all day. Not our fault they can't take on more than one objective at a time

Dleatherus · July 2014

I had hoped that more populated campaigns would make this kind of collusion impossible - I guess it was wishful thinking

are you sure it's collusion - wabba (NA) seems to have a large enough population that the number of legit players in any alliance would not make this possible?

that said, this is EXACTLY why the solution proposed by some of not letting 'former emperor' buffs apply unless you can hold the throne for more than 3 days is a failed suggestion

all that would happen is that some of the most influential guilds in the 3 alliances would coordinate so that they would work in 3 day cycles of attacking/defending and the emperor farming would still continue as usual, just at a much slower pace

these guilds could also arrange AP farm fight clubs amongst each other just like already happens in some of the emp farming campaigns

ZOS actually cares greatly about the PvP system - they just have a very borked response/communication system that is slowly ( and painfully) getting better

D.

Dekkameron · July 2014

AD and DC working together kinda fits lore.

So keep it up folks!

Fissh · July 2014

Pettiness. Its AvA. Such is the way of the war. Bringing this to forums with cries does not make it wrong.
ACTUALLY, you should take it as a compliment. Collaboration against an alliance signifies that alliance as a threat.

Gaettusk · July 2014

shimmyatwa_ESO wrote: »

Didn't seem to bother you when AD helped you all win the last campaign lol. But try again, we've been fighting AD and EP all day. Not our fault they can't take on more than one objective at a time

LOL @ someone claiming AD was helping EP win the campaign. You've just insulted the Oceanic AD guilds,e.g.,TKG,Iqni Ferroque(sp?), and DiE. They did their best to try and help DC win. /takes shimmy's tinfoil hat

quakedawg_ESO · July 2014

The politics of war! Nothing wrong in sleeping with the enemy

Yolokin_Swagonborn · July 2014

Yeah this is amusing. Last campaign, EP just sat there and let AD take their scrolls and keeps as long as they kept DC pushed back enough not to lose AP lead. That was the entire strategy.

EP: "You guys can emporer and bleakers farm to your hearts content as long as we are still ahead in points."

AD: "OK. Hey guys lets take bleakers and farm noobs!"

I guess the guilds that made that deal are no longer playing on wabba.

shimmyatwa_ESO · July 2014

Was more of a joke at people's perceptions of one faction helping another than a claim. DC just actually has people coming back to play after the fps problem, and finally some coordination. Oh and for once the leaders are actually working together, rather than yell at each other about who's fault it is we're losing.

AD probably is going after EP so hard because they don't see us as much of a threat and you're catching up to them. Of course we're gonna take advantage of you all fighting between chalman and alessia all day, you would do the same in our position.

Gaettusk · July 2014

Some DC players truly believe that Oceanic AD and EP had some sort of deal? LOL, no more bong hits for you, please

mikeymike2785b14_ESO · July 2014

jdnchaosb14a_ESO wrote: »

Yeah this is amusing. Last campaign, EP just sat there and let AD take their scrolls and keeps as long as they kept DC pushed back enough not to lose AP lead. That was the entire strategy.

EP: "You guys can emporer and bleakers farm to your hearts content as long as we are still ahead in points."

AD: "OK. Hey guys lets take bleakers and farm noobs!"

I guess the guilds that made that deal are no longer playing on wabba.

Yeah you're right! EP should have chased down those dirty AD guesting players and let Dc just take the entire north (and sneak a win) in the process!

obvious AD former emp group at bleakers is obvious.

WTB an Oceanic guild for either DC or EP side to contend with the off hours that occur (and still occur) from AD Oceanic, because god knows how many times i've woken up just to help un-do what they've done to the map

As far as EP winning the campaign...apparently riding out a lead & letting the clock wind down is considered a conspiracy too nowadays..

SBR_QuorTek · July 2014

It is three factions... if one of the three poses a bigger threat... that one gets attacked more... it cannot be more simple than that.

Happy it is not a mindless 2 faction thing as it is... would be soo boring...

Honfold · July 2014

There have been plenty of nights in the past two weeks when AD was attacking DC owned ASH and EP was going for Glademist with ZERO AD/EP conflicts. People probably just get bored fighting on the same fronts over and over again.

PlagueMonk · July 2014

SBR_QuorTek wrote: »

It is three factions... if one of the three poses a bigger threat... that one gets attacked more... it cannot be more simple than that.

Happy it is not a mindless 2 faction thing as it is... would be soo boring...

So you are saying that EP is a bigger threat even though it's currently #2? That doesn't make sense.

Honfold wrote: »

There have been plenty of nights in the past two weeks when AD was attacking DC owned ASH and EP was going for Glademist with ZERO AD/EP conflicts. People probably just get bored fighting on the same fronts over and over again.

As further proof........Fighting today at Sej, we were about to wipe DC out and AD come in and walk all over us BUT do not take the keep. They just walk back out and allow DC to repair. So even on a single outpost we were still fighting on two fronts.

Now I'm not saying that ALL of AD and DC are working together because I do see the occasional skirmish between the two. I guess not everyone is in on the handshake. By and large though, the two are not actively going after each other.

shimmyatwa_ESO · July 2014

Guess you missed the almost 2 hour fight DC had with AD earlier for roe.

Oh and while that was going on EP was hitting warden and rayles. Guess that means those AD and EP groups are colluding.

Columba · July 2014

we can't help it if AD is stupid.

Kiljaz · July 2014

Funny, I never hear complaints when EP and DC are hittinh AD keeps from two sides for a week straight.

rammstein2001pub18_ESO · July 2014

Gaettusk wrote: »

Some DC players truly believe that Oceanic AD and EP had some sort of deal? LOL, no more bong hits for you, please

soo derp'n derp derp naive .. ever listen to the top guilds vents/ts3/mumble .. you'l hear the most absurd things and think to yourself do these people have any morals

Gaettusk · July 2014

rammstein2001pub18_ESO wrote: »

Gaettusk wrote: »

Some DC players truly believe that Oceanic AD and EP had some sort of deal? LOL, no more bong hits for you, please

soo derp'n derp derp naive .. ever listen to the top guilds vents/ts3/mumble .. you'l hear the most absurd things and think to yourself do these people have any morals

I'll make sure I pay more attention in my guild's TS3 then. I'll let you know if your conspiracy theory is true, bud.

dbishop · July 2014

Wow I must have been dreaming last night about a Blue Hoard that we skirmished with for 2-3 hours between Alessia and Fare.
Was priceless when the Blues stacked in the barn just north of Fare and surged out at once as a massive blue blob. Eventually they let us have Alessia when they realised we weren't going away and turned there attention to the EP scroll which they took.
It was 11pm-2am AEST for those Oceanics looking for action. I would love to know who the Blue Blob are.

AkelDamascus · July 2014

In a game with more than two PvP teams you will often see collusion and much of it is simply "field collusion". That is when some of the opposite team players/leaders visually take notice of each other and coordinate merely through reactionary means, without any real direct communication. This happens especially when there's a shared grudge and/or common threat in the vicinity that, to them, takes precedence. Field collusion is acceptable and party of the multi team flavor. If you're on the team getting double teamed then your faction is likely doing something right.

A couple would-be-opponents hanging out and leading together in the same voice-comms though is not very cool. But there really isn't a way of policing that so it just is what it is. If the opponents are doing this against your team, then, again, your team is likely doing something right.

Peace.

SoulScream · July 2014

There will always be some collusion and this isn't some big game breaking constant example of it. The OP is acting like a spoiled brat, move along and don't feed the troll.

Junipus · July 2014

They should make a sub-forum for AvA complainers when things don't go their way. They can all complain to each other and forment themselves into a frenzy whilst the rest of us get on with grown up things in the proper forums.

ferzalrwb17_ESO · July 2014

Every second day there's a claim from some campaign (sometimes the same one) stating different factions are colluding.

Nearly all of it is paranoia. This would be another case.

Xsorus · July 2014

in a 1v1v1 If it seems like someone isn't colluding with the other side, then something is very very wrong with that matchup

sbanned_530978 · July 2014

Dleatherus wrote: »

I had hoped that more populated campaigns would make this kind of collusion impossible - I guess it was wishful thinking

are you sure it's collusion - wabba (NA) seems to have a large enough population that the number of legit players in any alliance would not make this possible?

that said, this is EXACTLY why the solution proposed by some of not letting 'former emperor' buffs apply unless you can hold the throne for more than 3 days is a failed suggestion

all that would happen is that some of the most influential guilds in the 3 alliances would coordinate so that they would work in 3 day cycles of attacking/defending and the emperor farming would still continue as usual, just at a much slower pace

these guilds could also arrange AP farm fight clubs amongst each other just like already happens in some of the emp farming campaigns

ZOS actually cares greatly about the PvP system - they just have a very borked response/communication system that is slowly ( and painfully) getting better

D.

Alright D this parade of anti emperor stuff is getting pretty ridiculous.

You ask if it's collusion then you go into saying this is 'EXACTLY" why one of Alacrity's solution is a 'failed suggestion'

I am the only 1 who held emp 3 days on Waba since reset. So It would work (17 days 1 person with former emp title). You throw down ideas when its working right now OMG pay attention.

Ive been on every night watching the flow of waba. Today EP capped alessia a few minutes ago when DC has their 2 scrolls lol

Its not collusion its just some not so good zerg mentality lol

So D stop trashing others ideas when its working on the most populated campaign. As long as the new 4 campaigns stay in high population it will work as well, maybe 5 days would be better than 3 tho kinda like you would have to defend for the length of the new short campaigns.

rammstein2001pub18_ESO · July 2014

uhh i can't believe these who think that people aren't doing this in ts3 etc.. i was in one of the top guilds till i over heard them in vent with the AD/DC telling them what forts to take etc .. all the while yelling out to ebon to stop attacking them etc ..

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Dleatherus · July 2014

@krayiss‌

it's not an anti Alacrity thing, nor am i trashing your guild

the 3 day, 5 day, 7 day term limits have been proposed many times before Alacrity brought it up, and in fact we ourselves thought it to be a good solution at one point

we have put a proposal forward directly to the devs that was well received - whether any part or all of it is given any further consideration is totally out of our hands

my comment is made based upon the following:

it's a fact that some of the strongest guilds from all of the alliances have gotten together with each other and arranged to systematically farm the emperor title - sometimes in as little as an hour despite the efforts of those trying to defend/attack legitimately

it's not a stretch to see that the same can happen, just on an extended cycle of 3 days

and so the 3 day proposal (or 5 or 7), regardless of who proposed it, is flawed

and i'd say my 'parade of anti emperor stuff' is far less ridiculous than the current parade of former emperors given how many of them 'acquired' their title

please also understand that personally not having one, but two toons that are former emperors, my comments aren't based upon jealousy or resentment etc, but rather upon what i see happening in the game

our opinions differ, am fine with that - that's why we have forums to express our opinions, whether they be in agreement or opposing

D.

p.s. i do agree with you that my earlier thought of having a player's toon only be allowed emperorship once, and once only, is too 'harsh', and that once a campaign would be more reasonable

Columba · July 2014

sho how can you explain that DC has held 5 scrolls most of the day? lol

Columba · July 2014

rammstein2001pub18_ESO wrote: »

uhh i can't believe these who think that people aren't doing this in ts3 etc.. i was in one of the top guilds till i over heard them in vent with the AD/DC telling them what forts to take etc .. all the while yelling out to ebon to stop attacking them etc ..

funny i've been in the primary ts. i never heard that at all.

Moderator Edit: Edited quote from moderated post.