wonderful, thank you Highly Skilled Trials guild member.

I didn't want to do them anyway...

To much entitlement in posts like this. You need to pull your weight if you expect to complete endgame content with 11 other individuals who are investing time and energy into each run; end of story my friend. With the current state of the game you're probably not going to be able to do this with a hodgepodge medium/2hander build. It's just not as efficient as the other options that are available to you. This is how it is in every other MMO to date, ESO is no different (despite the "play how you want" mentality).

A medium armoured NB can pull 600-850 dps, and some people I know have no problem being in trials with that build

jambam817_ESO wrote: »

wonderful, thank you Highly Skilled Trials guild member.

I didn't want to do them anyway...

You really need to use some common sense. Blaming other people is not the solution to your problems. People just need to realize that trials are not like the rest the game.

You state very clearly that you built around AoE and trials are not an AoE fight. They are single target, boss fights. Is it really too much to ask that people level more than 5 skills and 1 weapon? You can play your standard build for the other 99.9% of the game.

I play a high burst, DW, Medium armor NB, but realize that my build is next to worthless during trials so I switch builds during trials or VR dungeons to help the team.

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To much entitlement in posts like this. You need to pull your weight if you expect to complete endgame content with 11 other individuals who are investing time and energy into each run; end of story my friend. With the current state of the game you're probably not going to be able to do this with a hodgepodge medium/2hander build. It's just not as efficient as the other options that are available to you. This is how it is in every other MMO to date, ESO is no different (despite the "play how you want" mentality).

Completely uncalled for. No where did i demand to be allowed in trials, i simply wanted to confirm what i had already heard.
What you are saying is if i went to trials i wouldn't be putting in time and energy just because my build is different/suboptimal? Goodness, this attitude is disgusting.

And yes, i might be butt hurt, as are the other subscribers that have a decent build but are denied Trials because YOU NO HAZ STICK.

Unfortunate, at least the rest of the game is fun

many fights are range fights in trails, so while you are doing melee only, you wont actually help the raiding party, as you just stand there half the time not doing damage, and many of the fights if they take longer the fights get worse, with more adds and such, and more tent to die as well.

you can be a orc sors, if you like and duel wield no doubt, just make sure if you wanna do trails to have a range weapon at lvl 50 skill as well as second weapon

you can play what ever you like, people just need to adjust to boss tactics to be able to contribute to the fight, or else the rest of the raid just carry you to get loot, that dont seem fair either to the other 11 people in the raid.

)) I have alike sorc build on one of my chars, it's good AoE but my second weapon bar for one target group dangeons bosses is bow, cause 2h is not enought usefull for all cases.

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Artemiisia wrote: »

many fights are range fights in trails, so while you are doing melee only, you wont actually help the raiding party, as you just stand there half the time not doing damage, and many of the fights if they take longer the fights get worse, with more adds and such, and more tent to die as well.

you can be a orc sors, if you like and duel wield no doubt, just make sure if you wanna do trails to have a range weapon at lvl 50 skill as well as second weapon

you can play what ever you like, people just need to adjust to boss tactics to be able to contribute to the fight, or else the rest of the raid just carry you to get loot, that dont seem fair either to the other 11 people in the raid.

Agree; also, most vet dungeon boss fights are also ranged fights. Melee is at a serious disadvantage. I have a toon that is a 2H melee that was great on the trash, but it was extremely tough to maintain rhythm on most of the bosses due to their mechanics that disproportionately punish those in melee range.

I agree. I had not planned on a range specific weapon because i had ranged class skills, but of course those are only sustainable while Magika lasts. In 1-50 dungeons that wasn't really an issue, but I now see the error in my ways so i may try Bow or Staff for a bit more versatility.

And while i enjoyed my nightblade and would love to go back and play him (he was already a Staff/Light armor dps/healer)he is on a different faction then my current RL friends are on, so he's kinda shelved due to alliance preference. I told them EP was the best cuz MUSHROOMS, but i guess they didn't beleive me

thanks for the input guys, these posts were helpful

Look, some sorc instant skills are delayed or continious (such like velocious curse or liquid lightning) so you can overlap them with stamina based attacks in your build (if you'll choose bow) to rise DPS or you can use dark exchange to restore magika from stamina as you have medium armor build.

jambam817_ESO wrote: »

Completely uncalled for. No where did i demand to be allowed in trials, i simply wanted to confirm what i had already heard.
What you are saying is if i went to trials i wouldn't be putting in time and energy just because my build is different/suboptimal? Goodness, this attitude is disgusting.

And yes, i might be butt hurt, as are the other subscribers that have a decent build but are denied Trials because YOU NO HAZ STICK.

Unfortunate, at least the rest of the game is fun

The entitlement point was more just a general commentary about the "elitist trials groups that won't let me play with them" type of posts that crop up frequently.

Also, I'm not saying that YOU aren't putting in time and effort during trials, just that you should also take into consideration the time and effort expended by the others in your group. The main point here is that it's a waste of everyone's time if the group can't clear DPS checks (Wispmother in AA, for instance) because too many members are bringing weak builds to the plate. This is the main reason that many group leaders have standards in place and the main reason why many of the more "casual" guilds have so much trouble clearing and posting decent times.

I wish MMOs would go back to the roots about tactics and skill, I am tired of the enrage and timed stuff.

They started with that in late TBC at WOW and suddenly every MMO does copy it. While we had a few of these too in Vanilla and early TBC, the majority were about acting smart and executing tactics. But today, at WOW and also ESO it all seems to be about DPS.

As long fights are only about DPS, no matter what class balance they do, those classes with the lowest will be excluded even if its just 5 or 10%.

Sad thing is, if you get rejected OP then because of design flaws in the basic design of the boss fights including the idea of trial rankings. Its not so much the class or the build, but the fact that players will only look at DPS numbers and not skill.

Guess that's why I became a tank and healer over time in MMOs. You don't need to compete there, its all about when you heal and how smart you do it - the skill matters and not a simple DPS race.

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Mahogany wrote: »

To much entitlement in posts like this. You need to pull your weight if you expect to complete endgame content with 11 other individuals who are investing time and energy into each run; end of story my friend. With the current state of the game you're probably not going to be able to do this with a hodgepodge medium/2hander build. It's just not as efficient as the other options that are available to you. This is how it is in every other MMO to date, ESO is no different (despite the "play how you want" mentality).

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>>>Except in most other MMO's one class is not made pointless for endgame <<<<*cough*templer*cough*. Making endgame so only 1 templar and often 0 templers is needed is a broken mechanic and needs fixed. What is the point of making a class that will not get used or rarely used endgame. The devs should at leats go public then and declare templers as a non raiding class so those who want to raid will not waste time on the class.

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It can be so frustrating I know, and players here in TESO are definitely awaiting base-class changes and expect it for our Templars and NB's. Only a tiny bit of adjusting has occurred so far including issues with stam/magic ratios and armor stats.

But yes, in many other MMO's not only is a certain build a requirement for parts of endgame raids/particular bosses during a dungeon run etc, literally certain trinity classes are only included in for one or two of their abilities and sometimes made to feel ghetto for that, heh. In that case a lot of the time its someone in the guild who runs another main primarily and switches to his alt for a certain fight, because otherwise that class/build isn't needed very much.

Primary healers however, (though they may indeed have a couple other tricks up their sleeve ie battle mage or utility master + heals), usually are an anchor/must have for endgame. Each mmo is a little different, but it is definitely a norm for certain endgame content to be very specific as to builds that provide a way for the players to overcome and succeed for Raid content.

Well after all the information in this thread, I'd still love to partake in Trials, and being VR1 i have a while before I'll worry about it. That said, Not something I'm shooting for any time soon. Is Veteran Dungeon content for 4man parties as restricting when it comes to DPS?

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Why dont you just stick with your Nightblade und do it 7/7 light and resto staff. Play as range caster. You will be in the top dps.

How in the world can anyone achieve a high DPS with a resto staff, especially a NB? Is there some secret tactic or skill for the resto staff I have somehow missed?

Wear light armor, max magicka, max spell crit, max spell damage. Weave light attacks with funnel health.

Boss fights pretty much come down to weaving light attack with funnel health until your veil of blades is up, drop veil, and go back to weaving. Hooray!

The staff is only used because its ranged and because of the passive that gives you 10% bonus damage at full health.