Elder Scrolls games

Sihnfahl · July 2014

Pmarsico9 wrote: »

There's a mod where I think somebody is importing Morrowind or Oblivion (I forget) into Skyrim's Engine.

Skywind, as mentioned earlier.

Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim are all absolutely fantastic games. But it's worth mentioning that they all also have bugs. You should be well aware of that and it's important to get them for PC so you can at least use the console to workaround said bugs where needed.

Daggerfall has no addons (it wasn't an idea back then), but the final patch does have a pseudo-console that lets you around the game-stopping bugs.

Many of Morrowind and Oblivion's issues have been long solved through downloaded mods, to the point the console isn't really necessary anymore. Get the unofficial patches for both and you should be fine.

isengrimb16_ESO · July 2014

nerrollus wrote: »

If I wanted to go back and play some of the pre-eso games, are there some that are total garbage and I should stay away from or are they all good?

Thinking about buying the complete elder scrolls collect and just running through them.

Also, which of them is over all thought to be the best game that is required to play before you die?

I have Anthology, too. Got it for Christmas, sort of (basically, I got my husband off the hook ..) Anyway. It depends, how do you feel about really old-school games?

I haven't tried Arena yet, because Daggerfall makes me want to throw my computer off the balcony. Can't get past the first bit (you'll see why. You can rest, btw, but that heavy armour dude from the basement will three-shot your face. Oh, and stay out of the basement. There's nothing there anyway, and you can't fight that guy naked.) Can't godmode or use any kind of console commands on here. No, the Anthology version does not accept the .INI file hack, and I can't figure out how to install the hackable one from the website. Arena doesn't allow cheats at all. That sucks! I'll probably give it a whirl some time, but .. later.

Morrowind - Nice graphics, I don't even mind the UI, but the inventory is confusing. I don't like games where I'm just given caveman drawings of stuff; I'm not even sure if I got words on mouse-over, but come on. Well worth more attention than I've given it. Cheat codes start here.

Oblivion - Character models are horrendous. NPC eyes roll about in their heads in a really sickening way, and Khajit heads look terribly deformed. Otherwise, seems OK; I wound up on the Shivering Isles at level 3 somehow. Need to put some more time into this.

Oh, and pre-Skyrim games have this weird thing where you have to wiggle your mouse back and forth to make your sword swing. Haven't tried a bow on any of these yet; haven't found one. Anyway, it almost seems like these would work better with a Wii controller, where you can just wave it around like an actual sword (which is what the effect is supposed to make you feel like; with a mouse, it's just yuck for me. YMMV.)

Beast races in all pre-Skyrim games look horrendous, except Morrowind, where the Khajit look half decent.

Keep in mind that this is based on very little time played; played the hell out of Skyrim, though. And I always found old-school RPG video games to be very hard, and not in my interest to waste time with (though now I have the time to bugger with it, if I get really, really REALLY bored. But now I have high blood pressure, so it's probably still not a good idea to bugger with late-80s to mid-90s games now, either.) And is just personal opinion. If you miss the old-school, odds-stacked-heavily-against-the-player games that cheat against you, then Arena and Daggerfall might be love at first sight (Hey, I loved the original Civilization, even though it always cheated, and rezzed civs you destroyed. I preferred old-school strat and storyboard games - like Dune and Monkey Island 2 - over RPGs until Diablo 1.)

BBSooner · July 2014

Surinen wrote: »

Sihnfahl wrote: »

Surinen wrote: »

Skyrim. It is the first TES game where you meet Altmer npc.

... I guess you never played Morrowind.

Dayv wrote: »

Surinen wrote: »

Skyrim. It is the first TES game where you meet Altmer npc.
I will never forget first minutes of gameplay. The most beautiful TES experience ever.

They've all got altmer NPCs

no, Altmer were only in Skyrim. gold skinned abominations born outside of Alinor or the ones who were exiled (or left), simply do not count. there is no life for an Altmer outside glorious Isles.

Born on an island, or born on the mainland - a goldy is a goldy.

Sihnfahl · July 2014

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

Oh, and pre-Skyrim games have this weird thing where you have to wiggle your mouse back and forth to make your sword swing.

Or up and down. Oh, and don't forget strafing and backpedalling to trigger special moves.

Haven't tried a bow on any of these yet; haven't found one.

Hold down button, shoot further to max range. Click once and the arrow clatters uselessly at your feet.

Beast races in all pre-Skyrim games look horrendous, except Morrowind, where the Khajit look half decent.

Well, Khajiit in Daggerfall were supposed to be a different breed (yay retconning!) that looked like Bosmer, only furry-er.

And I can't think of a single non-main NPC that really looked good in Oblivion, so the comment about Khajiit and Argonian appearances, well...

Fairydragon3 · July 2014

GreySix wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Nothing since Morrowind has given me the same experience of exploration and wonder.

The single greatest game of all time IMO.

Tried to get into that game, but after having played Oblivion and Skyrim, Morrowind seemed boring and flat.

Perhaps if a modder redid Morrowind with the Skyrim game engine...

This is my issue, Graphic backtracking sux, it';s the reason I can't finish any Final Fantasy game before FFX

GreySix · July 2014

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Nothing since Morrowind has given me the same experience of exploration and wonder.

The single greatest game of all time IMO.

Tried to get into that game, but after having played Oblivion and Skyrim, Morrowind seemed boring and flat.

Perhaps if a modder redid Morrowind with the Skyrim game engine...

This is my issue, Graphic backtracking sux, it';s the reason I can't finish any Final Fantasy game before FFX

Yeah, really liked both FF VI and VII, but can see how the relatively primitive graphics would be off-putting to those raised on FF X and later.

BBSooner · July 2014

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Nothing since Morrowind has given me the same experience of exploration and wonder.

The single greatest game of all time IMO.

Tried to get into that game, but after having played Oblivion and Skyrim, Morrowind seemed boring and flat.

Perhaps if a modder redid Morrowind with the Skyrim game engine...

This is my issue, Graphic backtracking sux, it';s the reason I can't finish any Final Fantasy game before FFX

Go to YouTube - search for "Skywind trailers". A group of modders are creating the morrowind game with skyrims engine.

Rosveen · July 2014

Sihnfahl wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

You should play at least the three newest games anyway and their stories aren't connected

Well, they're loosely connected between Oblivion and Skyrim.
In Skyrim, it was the loss of the Emperor, the sacrifice of Martin, and the end of the Septim line that led to the weakening of the Empire through arguments, politicking and infighting. That's how the White-Gold Concordat came into play, which led to the friction between the traditionalist Nords (Stormcloaks) and those still loyal to the Empire.

But, yes, there's little tying Morrowind to Daggerfall, and the events of Morrowind have little impact in Cyrodiil, as it was mostly a Dunmer issue of little impact to the Empire.

I guess what I meant is that you can enjoy and understand a TES game without any knowledge of the others. You can jump right into Skyrim and learn about the events leading to the current situation through in-game books or NPC dialogue. Heck, all you wrote about the aftermath of Martin's death - political frictions, the Concordat - isn't in Oblivion at all; the reason was, but the cosequences weren't known until we played Skyrim.

Of course you understand the world and certain lore intricacies much better if you have previous experience with it, but the OP has to start somewhere and I think it doesn't matter if he goes from Morrowind forward or Skyrim backward.

Dayv · July 2014

Has anyone played Skyrim tropical mod?

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO · July 2014

I highly recommend Oblivion if you have a high tolerance for potato faces and hearing the same conversation in the same voice over and over and over again. The game drives me nuts, but it's grown on me like some sort of malignant fungus.

It's quite a bit closer to ESO than the other games IMO. If you're looking to better understand the world, I'd start there

GreySix · July 2014

BBSooner wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Nothing since Morrowind has given me the same experience of exploration and wonder.

The single greatest game of all time IMO.

Tried to get into that game, but after having played Oblivion and Skyrim, Morrowind seemed boring and flat.

Perhaps if a modder redid Morrowind with the Skyrim game engine...

This is my issue, Graphic backtracking sux, it';s the reason I can't finish any Final Fantasy game before FFX

Go to YouTube - search for "Skywind trailers". A group of modders are creating the morrowind game with skyrims engine.

I'll be all over that, once its released to the public.

BBSooner · July 2014

GreySix wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Nothing since Morrowind has given me the same experience of exploration and wonder.

The single greatest game of all time IMO.

Tried to get into that game, but after having played Oblivion and Skyrim, Morrowind seemed boring and flat.

Perhaps if a modder redid Morrowind with the Skyrim game engine...

This is my issue, Graphic backtracking sux, it';s the reason I can't finish any Final Fantasy game before FFX

Go to YouTube - search for "Skywind trailers". A group of modders are creating the morrowind game with skyrims engine.

I'll be all over that, once its released to the public.

Same! I've been keeping a monthly eye on it for a long time.

Sihnfahl · July 2014

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »

hearing the same conversation in the same voice over and over and over again.

And the occasional random 'oh, old woman ... wait, did she just lose 20 years?' voice overs.

Rosveen · July 2014

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »

I highly recommend Oblivion if you have a high tolerance for potato faces and hearing the same conversation in the same voice over and over and over again. The game drives me nuts, but it's grown on me like some sort of malignant fungus.

It's quite a bit closer to ESO than the other games IMO. If you're looking to better understand the world, I'd start there

Start with Oblivion, of all things? I didn't expect to see this suggestion. What makes you think it's more similar to ESO than the other games?

AlexDougherty · July 2014

Melufey wrote: »

Oh, playing the pre-ESO games isn't a mistake.
Okay, if we forget Redguard and Battlespire, are all games a must been played before death.
But this is my personal opinion.
But you will make no mistake if you only play Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim (III-V)

But if you play them, play them in order, after Oblivion I found Morrowind unplayable (I did try though, but it was SLOW), and I'm pretty sure after Skyrim I would find Oblivion unplayable.

Moonscythe · July 2014

The thing about Morrowind is that it is completely exotic, except for the rats and even they are giant. You step off the boat in Seyda Neen and it's just different. There was no compass (which I would have appreciated actually) the mini map draws as you enter a new area, and the critters are wildly different and all dangerous (though the guar only gums you to death). As in all Elder Scrolls games you can go anywhere but getting there is the trick. There are many places that the best way of finding them is through levitation.

There is actually instant fast travel but it is very limited. There are Intervention spells and scrolls that will take you to the nearest temple or altar and a mark and recall set of spells but you could only have one mark set at a time, and the Propylon chambers but getting the keys was not easy and dangerous. Otherwise there were boats, mage teleports and, best of all silt striders; but where ever you go it is by conscious action to take some form of transportation. You don't just look at a map and wish yourself somewhere.

nerrollus · July 2014

So is the consensus that unless I want to roll back to some pretty old school RPG's with goofy systems, I need to just pickup Skyrim?

isengrimb16_ESO · July 2014

Oh, and Arena and Daggerfall are supposed to be HUGE. Now, towns and dungeons will look repetitive, because of limitations on the engine that did the huge world, but you have to remember these games came on 3.5" diskettes (and Arena could probably be got on an even older and smaller floppy.) But the world their algorithms make, is real-world huge, as in half the size of RL England huge, from what I heard. Shame I can't get past heavy-armour dude because I'm nekkid and have only a sword. It's like games used to want to bust your face just for presuming to try to play it and have fun.

Sihnfahl · July 2014

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »

Now, towns and dungeons will look repetitive

Which folks currently playing will not mind, considering that just about every building in a particular style will be identical to another in that style (two story home with upper level and basement? Same layout, all the time), only with the upper floor, basement, or both blocked off by a door.

isengrimb16_ESO · July 2014

Sihnfahl wrote: »

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »

Now, towns and dungeons will look repetitive

Which folks currently playing will not mind, considering that just about every building in a particular style will be identical to another in that style (two story home with upper level and basement? Same layout, all the time), only with the upper floor, basement, or both blocked off by a door.

Good point.

Sallington · July 2014

nerrollus wrote: »

So is the consensus that unless I want to roll back to some pretty old school RPG's with goofy systems, I need to just pickup Skyrim?

If the older games don't provide you with any nostalgia, then yes. Plus, if you have a beefier PC, the mods and ENBs for Skyrim make it the best looking game out right now IMO. Mix that with some combat overhauls and you have one hell of a game.

GreySix · July 2014

... and you can mod the heck out of Skyrim.

My version had a Death Star in the night sky, and my character dual-wielded light sabers.

Sihnfahl · July 2014

GreySix wrote: »

... and you can mod the heck out of Skyrim.

You can mod the heck out of III, IV and V.

IV REALLY got the mods going, and the improved graphics and engine of V let people go all out.

Sallington · July 2014

GreySix wrote: »

... and you can mod the heck out of Skyrim.

My version had a Death Star in the night sky, and my character dual-wielded light sabers.

Mooddddsssss!!!! I've got 100's of screenshots just from messing aorund with ENBs and texture mods.

cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/703982671844579250/E873300B45E33A158A1310A673630C8D47A3B164/

cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/703982671844583704/51870A93DDB1D280D3CB84A004CAFD80EF3B5141/

nerrollus · July 2014

Sallington wrote: »

nerrollus wrote: »

So is the consensus that unless I want to roll back to some pretty old school RPG's with goofy systems, I need to just pickup Skyrim?

If the older games don't provide you with any nostalgia, then yes. Plus, if you have a beefier PC, the mods and ENBs for Skyrim make it the best looking game out right now IMO. Mix that with some combat overhauls and you have one hell of a game.

I never played any of the old games before, so I might just pick up Skyrim so I have something to play offline.

Hoamaii · July 2014

Dayv wrote: »

Has anyone played Skyrim tropical mod?

Yep, it is a great mod, makes you feel like you're rediscovering the whole game, and very stable too. It's a mix of tropical forests, deserts and tropical sand beaches - really gorgeous. It can be fairly greedy for low end rigs though as it replaces all landscapes and buildings' textures as well as water and weather systems. But if you love exploring (I do) it is a must-try in my humble opinion. There is also a "Springtime" mod that is really beautiful if you get bored with the snow.

GreySix · July 2014

Even had a cool backstory to my Star Wars mod: Thousands of years prior, Sith and Jedi had fought battles across Tamriel, leaving ancient artifacts to be found later on, thus the "majicka" sabers.

Now, the Death Star took a bit more work: The Empire found a remote world outside the detection of prying eyes around which to orbit the "ultimate weapon" in preparation for crushing of dissension, and they infiltrated agents to study the odd Force-abilities of the inhabitants of Tamriel.

isengrimb16_ESO · July 2014

GreySix wrote: »

... and you can mod the heck out of Skyrim.

My version had a Death Star in the night sky, and my character dual-wielded light sabers.

I've got a TARDIS.

kassandratheclericb14_ESO · July 2014

I see many folks talking about various bugs and such. First...don't play these games on consoles. If you are here...playing this now..then you have a PC. Please play these games on PC.

Mods (modifications) have been made for Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim which fix many if not most of the bugs in these games. It is AMAZING what these modders can do. Don't like the potato faced Oblivion toons-bam race mods and overhauls. Don't like how the enchant system works in Morrowind-bam...make it work like oblivion. Don't like how the women stand in Skyrim-bam...new animations.

So many, many mods. You can just about fix anything in these games with them. Also with quest mods, overhauls and things like that...you can play these games over and over and over....heck you could not even do the main quests if you didn't want.

Of course mods are sometimes complicated (as I mentioned before), require learning and if you want to have the cooler, more complicated ones you aren't going to find them at Steam Workshop (though I have nothing against it-they just set it up in suckh a way as to prevent certain mods from being uploaded there or working there well.) But there are many modding sites where you can get things.

Just pick a game and play. Don't get put off by age or graphics...just keep an open mind and figure out how to properly mod your game. It is all gravy after that.

Malpherian · July 2014

nerrollus wrote: »

If I wanted to go back and play some of the pre-eso games, are there some that are total garbage and I should stay away from or are they all good?

Thinking about buying the complete elder scrolls collect and just running through them.

Also, which of them is over all thought to be the best game that is required to play before you die?

Play, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim, and you will understand why people are raging at ZOS's decision to include "Class Sytems" in ESO.

You'll also understand why many of the other decision people are so called "Ragging" about in ESO were horrible ideas.

Hell... after the great expereince and crap loads of fun you ahve with those games, you may even start raging yourself... or even cancel your sub.

Just make sure you get all the expansions, to all 3 and play them as well. See you in a few weeks/months.