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Respec should be free
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I see no reason why we have to pay for respec.
It stops people from experimenting and playing their class better. It increases the grinding time in game. Grinding to even get skill points through all zones is enough to put some people off...
In the 'Road Ahead' ZOS admitted veteran zones are "too grindy", but I think the same goes for skills' system (and perhaps other aspects of the game).
Article also mentioned: "whenever we introduce a major change to a skill line, we will be offering a free respec to players who have invested points in that line".
Why not offer a free respec at any time? What is the benefit for the players of current method of achieving respec? Of course it artificially increases the game time and perhaps earns more time so in devs' minds it will earn them more coin, but it decreases enjoyment and discourages people from trying to find the style they like best and ultimately may lead to frustration.
I claim giving respec for free would benefit both players and the dev studio.
Or if they really want it to be earned (I don't understand why though) then why not make it interesting? Many people complain about rewards, why not create world boss who would award free respec as a reward? What an enjoayable reward. I don't see people complaining even if they needed to group to kill such boss, because the reward would be meaningful.
It stops people from experimenting and playing their class better. It increases the grinding time in game. Grinding to even get skill points through all zones is enough to put some people off...
In the 'Road Ahead' ZOS admitted veteran zones are "too grindy", but I think the same goes for skills' system (and perhaps other aspects of the game).
Article also mentioned: "whenever we introduce a major change to a skill line, we will be offering a free respec to players who have invested points in that line".
Why not offer a free respec at any time? What is the benefit for the players of current method of achieving respec? Of course it artificially increases the game time and perhaps earns more time so in devs' minds it will earn them more coin, but it decreases enjoyment and discourages people from trying to find the style they like best and ultimately may lead to frustration.
I claim giving respec for free would benefit both players and the dev studio.
Or if they really want it to be earned (I don't understand why though) then why not make it interesting? Many people complain about rewards, why not create world boss who would award free respec as a reward? What an enjoayable reward. I don't see people complaining even if they needed to group to kill such boss, because the reward would be meaningful.
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emeraldbay✭✭✭✭✭In my opinion, it doesn't need to be free. However, it does need to be more in-depth. You shouldn't have to go "all or nothing" if you just want to change a skill or two. I'm fine with the price of 100 gold per skill point, but I'm definitely not fine with having to pay 25k just to change one morph or get rid of one unused skill.-T h e - A l d m e r i - I n i t i a t i v e-— O r d e r - o f - t h e - R a v y n —21 -
It's just a gold sink. If it weren't for the respec the amounts of gold people would have would just be ridiculous and it will be detrimental to whatever economy there is in the game. Respec is not too expensive though and not required too often. I mean, there is more than enough skill points in the game to pretty much max out everything. You'll get your free respecs for skill changes, that ZOS has promised but having all for free is not needed."Do you want the book or not? Then go whack some people with Wabbajack!!"2 -
someuser✭✭✭✭As @emeraldbay said, it doesn't need to be free... but being forced to respec ALL your skill points is a little over the top and really does punish casual players. Maybe an option to undo all the morphs or to maybe undo a specific category like class skills, weapon skills, so on and so forth.To make ESO look and feel like a PC MMO check out the following:
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fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭The 'Road Ahead' says that all future skill line changes will give a free respec to characters with points in those lines .. nothing about a one-tine free-for-all to compensate for the massive number of skill changes that have been done over the last three months.1 -
Phantax✭✭✭✭✭
✭They already said in the latest "Road Ahead" update that in future there will be a free re-spec for those who have had their skill-trees altered by changes in the game.High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
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UnholyPerfection✭✭✭In my opinion respec should be 1k and double every time you use and. Maybe then once a week it goes down a tier in price.3 -
AZRainman✭✭✭Or players could select a skill(s) on a trial basis (24 hrs perhaps), before committing point(s) to the skill(s) to see if they want to keep the skill or try something else.Edited by AZRainman on July 9, 2014 7:50AM0 -
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Your use of the word 'had' could be read to imply this will be retrospective, you need to make it clear that isn't what they've said:They already said in the latest "Road Ahead" update that in future there will be a free re-spec for those who have had their skill-trees altered by changes in the game.It’s important to note that from now on, whenever we introduce a major change to a skill line, we will be offering a free respec to players who have invested points in that line.Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on July 9, 2014 8:11AM0 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭It should be very cheap or free. GW2 and ArcheAge manage without the sky falling in.2
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dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They already said in the latest "Road Ahead" update that in future there will be a free re-spec for those who have had their skill-trees altered by changes in the game.
shame my sorc tree wont see it :<PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Maybe not free but less expensive, especially when they release patches that render some skills useless (or at least give the possibility to just respec parts of the tree).2 -
I remember other MMOs when they changed skills or whatever...would simply un-do all the points and you would have to go re-do all of them. it was annoying at times but at least you were not stuck with all these useless skills.
Also if you just wanted to re-do you could pay. However it was more each time you wanted to do that. I think that would be fair combined with the above. You should have to feel like your decisions MEAN something and not just be able to suddenly change your skills all the time without penalty. The penalty should be fair.0 -
Kayira✭✭✭✭Respec shouldn't be free but selective. I want a specfiic morph, skill or skill set reset not an all or nothing respec. It is so annoying trying to remember all your skills when reseting 200 skill points.
Also it is actually not that expensive to respec. I have no issue with the cost but with the effort.
Edited by Kayira on July 9, 2014 1:08PM1 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No it should cost and the cost is pretty good as it stands-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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gamma71✭✭✭✭steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »It should be very cheap or free. GW2 and ArcheAge manage without the sky falling in.
I agree, the cost is *** and the people that think it is fine paying 25k for a respec are also ***, it does nothing for the economy, then again there really is no economy in this game anyway.
Currently i have 1 morph i wanna change, but paying 25k is *** beyond ***, this must be matt friors doing, because at least when i played DAOC HIS old game, repsecs were stupid there too, you had to get a dragon egg drop or some thing to be able to respec, but i guess even that is better then the insane cost in eso.
You should not be punished for wanting to try out different morphs ect... It is a game not real life.1 -
Divinius✭✭✭✭✭
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That statement is what's pretty ridiculous. It is a gold sink, but there's so many other larger gold sinks in the game (inventory upgrades, anyone?) that the amount of gold "sunk" by respecs is negligible.pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO wrote: »It's just a gold sink. If it weren't for the respec the amounts of gold people would have would just be ridiculous and it will be detrimental to whatever economy there is in the game.
Another flawed argument. Sure, if I want to add skills lines, I can probably find enough skill points somewhere, but morphs can not be changed in any way other than a full (and very expensive) respec of ALL your points. And changes to skill lines are by no means the only reason people would want to change their morphs. Changes in play style, previously made poor choices due to simple inexperience, etc. can all be valid reasons to want/need to change a morph.pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO wrote: »I mean, there is more than enough skill points in the game to pretty much max out everything. You'll get your free respecs for skill changes, that ZOS has promised but having all for free is not needed.
Edited by Divinius on July 9, 2014 1:56PM1 -
Exarch✭✭✭UnholyPerfection wrote: »In my opinion respec should be 1k and double every time you use and. Maybe then once a week it goes down a tier in price.
I have always thought that instead of an increase in cost, and arguably there wouldn't need to be a cost at all, it should be the time that increases; if you respec again in 4 hours you can't again for 8, respec again and it's 16, etc.
But it's possible that I'm just bitter from fighting, and losing, the dual-spec wars in WoW.0 -
kieso✭✭✭✭✭
✭should just be free, lets people really play with abilities more. But hey I'd take an incremental respec or even lowering the cost.1 -
Gix✭✭✭✭The last thing you want is to have the vast majority to simply switch to the flavour of the month on a whim.
"Oh man, you want to do this dungeon? Okay, let me switch to the awesome anti-dungeon build I have"
This kind of crap only screws up the game's difficulty in the long term. People will be forced to switch specs because the dungeons will be tuned with that in mind.1 -
Fairydragon3✭✭✭✭OP, r u crazy? in that case why not just give us all the abilities at once, only thing different between people would be their class0
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kieso✭✭✭✭✭
✭The last thing you want is to have the vast majority to simply switch to the flavour of the month on a whim.
"Oh man, you want to do this dungeon? Okay, let me switch to the awesome anti-dungeon build I have"
This kind of crap only screws up the game's difficulty in the long term. People will be forced to switch specs because the dungeons will be tuned with that in mind.
People do that anyway except they pigeon hole themselves to that awesome anti dungeon spec all the time if that's their main cup of tea; with cheaper or free respecs it lets players swap skills when they decide to try something else like PVP without breaking the bank. This whole situation happened in GW2 and they eventually just made respecs free.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Free respecs leads to abuse of the crafting system.
Your choices should matter. If you really want to respec that badly, you'll find a way to raise the money. Try a bake sale!----
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✭I don't care so much about the money. I care about putting 250+ points back every single bloody time, only to change one morph.
It's painful to do all that clicking twice a months (after a patch that broke or changed something). I get CTS by repeatable clicking. I blame ZoS for my the pain in my right arm atm.
It's even more problematic how some morphs have much needed PvP utility while others are crucial for Trials. So I can either be good in PvP or PvE. Thanks for that awesome design.
Just let us spend skill points on learning both morphs and be done with it. Than a re-spec can cost 100k for all I care.
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