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Do you really think Bethesda agree with TESO?
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Mordria✭✭✭✭Yuck! This armour looks like it belongs in a marvel superhero comic. Please ZOS give us an option to have armour palettes muted at least in our own display.
Funny you say that. I was thinking the one top right looks like Wonder Woman.
The colors are a little out of control here. lol
I'm seeing
1. The Red Gimp
2. Hello Kittywoman
3. Wonder Woman
4. Captain Auridon
5. The Inverted Carrot
LOL!
Okay. If that's who they're supposed to be I'm totally fine with it.2 -
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Hey, he looks great in purple.Okay. I was wrong. [/url]Edited by Sihnfahl on July 9, 2014 12:25AM0 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭I was completely serious about the picture. No, I was not joking. Those colours and those armors are a complete aberration.
The one that was joking was maybe the developer who created that armors just to show us the new dye system. Thats the joke,
And i know you don't have to wear that colours if you don't feel like, but as you all know there will be a lot of users wearing superheroes armors all around.
Imagine...you are just fishing and suddenly an elve with a pink armor jumps to the river. You are contemplating a sunrise and here goes the purple imperial to say hello...
I MEAN....
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Enkil✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well in Morrowind, you did have characters running around in iridescent mole crab helms and bright yellow and red robes on occasion.2 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭Well in Morrowind, you did have characters running around in iridescent mole crab helms and bright yellow and red robes on occasion.
How can you compare it to this??
Are you aware that maybe 10 pink elves will come for you in pvp or that you will be grouping with a horde of purple and blue chars inside an historical and really important dungeon or place from TES universe?
Incredible what people invent just to justify this horror and lack of taste.1 -
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✭✭AdamBourke wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »on the one hand this game was rushed,
Rushed? It's been in development for five+ years. How long do you want them to take?
It was rushed towards the end, it needed another two or three months in my opinion, because it definately wasn't in condition to be released when it was.AdamBourke wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »But then every MMO is never as good as it could have been.
If none have them have been as could as they could have been, does that mean that actually they COULDN'T have been that good?
Arguable, as in it can be argued either way, my personal opinion is that MMOs generally get a diluted vision of the single player games, but there is progress in the genre as a whole.
For me the problem is that some of the people working on any MMO don't bother to research the games it's supposed to be an MMO version of. Take Swtor, it didn't feel like the Kotor games it was based on, it had some huge breaks with star wars lore, and lacked some features that had been in both Kotor games.
This game actually does a better job of sticking to the TES lore, but in parts doesn't have the TES feel. This is why I say all MMOs could be better, but it is subjective.AdamBourke wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »But I like this game.
At least we can agree on something :-P
EDIT: Apparently the last post for this was just over two weeks ago. For some reason it was at the top of he forums :-S. Ah well. Thread Necromancy is the closest we'll get to becoming followers of mannimarco!
Yes, I really like this game, and it has promise to become better.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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Enkil✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well in Morrowind, you did have characters running around in iridescent mole crab helms and bright yellow and red robes on occasion.
How can you compare it to this??
Are you aware that maybe 10 pink elves will come for you in pvp or that you will be grouping with a horde of purple and blue chars inside an historical and really important dungeon or place from TES universe?
Incredible what people invent just to justify this horror and lack of taste.
Not trying to justify anything; I prefer muted colors. However, I can understand that some people like bright colors.
As long as NPC's don't have their attire dyed these crazy colors, it won't be that much of an impact really.
Edited by Enkil on July 9, 2014 9:11AM1 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I'm wondering if they just picked the brightest shades/tones on purpose because of the superhero theme and to show them off - I bet they'll be the hardest colours/shades/tones to make or earn, with the pastels being more common/easier to make.
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What other MMOs have you played, because 'cartoony' certainly doesn't apply to GW2, Rift, LoTRO, FFXIV (which is actually more 'realistic' than ESO when it comes to character modelling and pretty similar with world rendering).aipex8_ESO wrote: »Generally MMOs have slightly dumbed down graphics to make the whole MM part work. Most MMOs go cartoony as that is the best way to make the lower graphics work.
Of the MMOs I do play 'cartoony' would only apply to WOW and SW:TOR in my book, the latter because most terrain textures are pretty low-res.Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on July 9, 2014 11:10AM1 -
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TBH I see little difference in this and, say, the current Deadric armour which is equally 'lore breaking' as these new gaudy colours: and of course the blue 'vamp' glow we have is just crass.I was completely serious about the picture. No, I was not joking. Those colours and those armors are a complete aberration.
The one that was joking was maybe the developer who created that armors just to show us the new dye system. Thats the joke,
And i know you don't have to wear that colours if you don't feel like, but as you all know there will be a lot of users wearing superheroes armors all around.
Imagine...you are just fishing and suddenly an elve with a pink armor jumps to the river. You are contemplating a sunrise and here goes the purple imperial to say hello...
I MEAN....
...........................................................................can't be real.1 -
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He's noting a fact, which may not support your agenda but it's a perfectly fair comment for him to make.
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isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Well in Morrowind, you did have characters running around in iridescent mole crab helms and bright yellow and red robes on occasion.
How can you compare it to this??
Are you aware that maybe 10 pink elves will come for you in pvp or that you will be grouping with a horde of purple and blue chars inside an historical and really important dungeon or place from TES universe?
Incredible what people invent just to justify this horror and lack of taste.
Look at it this way. It might entice me and some others to take up PvP just to hunt the Pinkos.
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RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »Well in Morrowind, you did have characters running around in iridescent mole crab helms and bright yellow and red robes on occasion.
How can you compare it to this??
Are you aware that maybe 10 pink elves will come for you in pvp or that you will be grouping with a horde of purple and blue chars inside an historical and really important dungeon or place from TES universe?
Incredible what people invent just to justify this horror and lack of taste.
Look at it this way. It might entice me and some others to take up PvP just to hunt the Pinkos.
haha! Well...maybe thats the point!
No, but seriously...I'm really happy with all the news from ZOS, im gonna resub!! But, please I hope they lock some kind of colours...
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Hoamaii✭✭✭Yeah, the ugliness and boring uniformity of armors is the first thing that caught my eye when the loads of bugs, glitches and constant disconnections cooled off enough to let me finally play the game.
I designed armor mods for Skyrim and I'm far from being a pro but when I look at my characters' gear ingame (in ESO I mean) I can't help thinking "my, they can't have worked more than 4 or 5 hours at this and then changed the leveling textures in 5 sec tops using Photoshop filters!.." It feels like they rushed the job or subcontracted it to cheap graphic artists. (Could they have done the same with devs?..). And I sure as hell wish I could mod ESO!..
But back to the topic, I have no idea what Bethesda people may think of ESO but I've been wondering too. Sure, we're aware of Bethesda's bugs, lots of fans calls them "Bugthesda" but that's a "loving" nickname. And the worst I've ever had with Skyrim are broken quests, which is not so bad when there are 500 other quests to do and considering you still can play 1000 hours without ever doing the main quest. In other TES games, my saves refused to load after 400 hours of playing, frustrating for sure but what other game gave me 400 hours of fun? One frustration I never had with TES games are unplayable games, like ESO has been for me for weeks.
The modding community is certainly a wonderful plus too, and the CK a fabulous gift from Bethesda to its players - but from what I know 80 % of the sales for Skyrim only were consoles versions. Personally, I played Oblivion and Skyrim on PS3 - pure Vanilla - before I turned to modding and I still loved them all the way, never got bored. (I'm still playing Fallout 3 to this day...)
The most honest answer I have to the OP is this: if I had contributed to design such unique games as the TES IP, I'd have three main thoughts probably.
1. what was the point of designing a TES MMO when ESO is only playable solo 90% of the time? Sure, ZOS still charges its players a valuable monthly fee for playing solo and that's probably good for Bethesda, moneywise. Is it good for the TES community? I think it makes no difference, they are clearly aware that ZOS is not Bethesda.
2. the community management and player interactions are some of the worst underdeveloped and badly designed features of ESO. Then again, what was the point of designing an MMO inside of the TES IP when players interactions are made so difficult and frustrating?
3. as a consequence of 1 and 2, I think ESO has not proven that TES fans are allergic to MMO and only want solo games, I think it has precisely proven the opposite. TES fans are here - or rather should I say, many players here are TES fans, which means they want to play TES together, but the ESO approach is probably not the right one, so let's rethink it.
And just out of my mind, as I'm writing this (and I relaunched Skyrim a couple of days ago and marvelled again at the incredible work Bethesda did 3 years ago), one thing I would love to see is a TES game that gives me the best of both worlds. Imagine for instance that you could turn Skyrim "online" at will, populate the world with other players, guild up with your Nexus pals, team up to raid Daedras, Vampires, Dragons, Thalmors, whatever... and the next day, if you feel like it, turn off the online feature, restreat to your player home and craft or just spend the day hunting or dancing... It probably is not technically feasable yet, but I think I would love that.
Cheers to all - and sorry for the long post and awful English (not my native language).
Hoamaii"You can learn more about someone in an hour of gaming than in a whole year of conversation" - Plato1 -
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✭My Orsimer armor is currently baby blue with pink chain mail. I can't wait for the new dye system.0 -
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✭I was completely serious about the picture. No, I was not joking. Those colours and those armors are a complete aberration.
I’m not a total immersion, RP, type gamer. I’m also a proponent of maximizing character customization. But the image posted here really put me off. ZOS needs to be careful about how dyes are implemented.3 -
I can't really say if he would be disappointed & I know that ESO has its problems some big, some small but I have no doubt that ZOS are putting THEIR heart & soul into making & improving the game. I hear a lot of people saying that ZOS isn't listening but I read the forums & see the complaints & then a couple of weeks later see a patch with at least some of the problems being addressed. I think in the most part that ESO has been a success I'm in a guild that I socialise with & if I want to group with. I agree that their are problems with the game but unlike in WoW I enjoyed the storyline in ESO & stopped to listen to all of the dialogue in the main story line whereas in WoW I think I may have read the first three mission dialogue & then got bored & clicked my way through the quest givers dialogue. Obviously I know that this is just my view & some other people don't share it but we have to remember that this is a MMORPG which still holds part of the ES lore but again this is set at a different time to the others & I hope that I'm not living the same way as someone who lived in Victorian times. Like I say I enjoy the game despite the problems. Sorry for those that aren't enjoying it but I honestly think its one of those things, I don't GTA, most people I know love it. Maybe its just a difference in interests between people rather than an actual problem with the core of the game.0
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✭✭I was completely serious about the picture. No, I was not joking. Those colours and those armors are a complete aberration.
I’m not a total immersion, RP, type gamer. I’m also a proponent of maximizing character customization. But the image posted here really put me off. ZOS needs to be careful about how dyes are implemented.
Relax, most of us are considering tasteful dying to create a unifying look, yes some will create bizarre dye combos, but nothing we can do about that.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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✭I dont think they care , most people i actually saw quitting are now just waiting for TES6 , which should again be a great game in the TES universe.
Just because ESO is an average game all in all and many already gave up on waiting it become anything worth mention , does not mean people think the single player TES games made by bethesda will be any worse."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Syrrisdevlin✭✭Fun with Armor Dyes
Update 3 will be on the PTS soon, bringing with it a lot of fun new character and guild customization features. This update has been in internal testing at ZOS for many weeks now, and as part of that effort, we had a studio-wide contest to see who could use the new dye system to come up with the coolest (or most horrendous?) outfit. Check out some of the screenshots from the contest—it was a lot of fun, and it shows the lengths to which you can change what your character looks like just by applying different colors.
this is the exacte copy of what they said just above those screen shots im leaning to the screen shots were more of the later...but who knows maybe our dev team are the same devs from DC universe or what ever that super hero villain mmo was1 -
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✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »I dont think they care , most people i actually saw quitting are now just waiting for TES6 , which should again be a great game in the TES universe.
Just because ESO is an average game all in all and many already gave up on waiting it become anything worth mention , does not mean people think the single player TES games made by bethesda will be any worse.
TES6 might be a long way away, it's at least two-three years away, but may be quite a bit more, after all nobodies said they've even started it yet.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule1 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »I dont think they care , most people i actually saw quitting are now just waiting for TES6 , which should again be a great game in the TES universe.
Just because ESO is an average game all in all and many already gave up on waiting it become anything worth mention , does not mean people think the single player TES games made by bethesda will be any worse.
TES6 might be a long way away, it's at least two-three years away, but may be quite a bit more, after all nobodies said they've even started it yet.
I'm pretty sure BGS has made something about TES VI for sure. They always work like that. At least, the concept of the next TES VI is there for sure. And once Fallout 4 will be out, they will go 100% with TES VI. And yes, maybe we won't have TES VI until 2016-2017 I guess.
Me, like a lot of people is just playing ESO because it is "another TES"...and maybe ESO was gonna make the waiting for TES VI,easier. But seeing thins like those screenshots, makes you feel bad. Really, I was playing Skyrim again last week (i have more or less 1500 hours played since 11-11-11). The same with Morrowind or Oblivion. Seriously, I'm really being serious and NOT trolling. While playing a single player TES you really can understand that ZOS is not in the right path while doing things like this. Of course mmo gamers will like because they are used to this aberrations jumping around their screens, but thats not TES. It is not, it can't be.
No. Sorry, but no.Edited by RazielSR on July 9, 2014 2:57PM2 -
frwinters_ESO✭✭✭✭I mean, ok I know they can't be saying what they really think, of course. They are not mad, they are all friends from the “same” company, etc, etc.
But… can you really see Todd Howard approving this game? As we all know he said a lot of times that TES is a jewel and just they know how to handle with this game.
IN MY OPINION, people like Todd or his team, can NEVER agree on their universe inside another random mmorpg.
I really think they think this has not been a good idea. Maybe they thought it was at the beginning. Just like me or many of you.
But, knowing how the MARVELOUS company called Beteshda works and how they put all their souls in TES single player games, do you really think that this random mmorpg that is using TES universe, name and lore is something that Beth is seeing as a good thing for TES universe?
Do you really think they, while creating Fallout 4, or creating a bit of this and that for TES VI, they agree with seeing ESO out there?
Of course they can't do anything about it, because ZOS is the mother company, but just asking your opinion.
Seeing how this game is being a failure in many aspects, how a lot of people is cancelling and how IN GENERAL mmorpgs world works nowadays (all the business ending in f2p games)… do you think that while they see how mods continue appearing for Skyrim every day, how skyrim is being played JUST in steam by 50.000-60.000 players everyday (top 5-10). Seeing how stills being one of the best selling games in the christmas/summer offers, 3 years later. Knowing that it has been the most successul game by them.
Do you really think they see this TESO thing as necessary? What if this game will make many people think in a bad way when talking about TES universe?
I KNOW it has nothing to do regarding the sp game while talking about the people creating it and that it does not interfere with the lore of sp games, but you know...the name of the game is Elder Scrolls.
I stopped reading and dont know if anyone else posted this yet but Zenimax owns Bethesda. They are one in the same. Bethesda handles single player content games, Fallout Series, Dishonored, TES, thats it. I am sure they had a hand in the design, the feel, the story, but Zenimax Online controls it primarily. They are all one company.0 -
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But isn't that the whole reason why Bethesda agreed to have them make an MMO? Because they know the demand for a multiplayer Elder Scrolls is huge and that they, themselves, don't want to be bothered making it?AlexDougherty wrote: »but not as good as it could have been. But then every MMO is never as good as it could have been.
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Because of that reason (and more), I really think Beth see the whole mmorpg ESO as a bad idea.
If they didn't think it'd work, they wouldn't have published it. Unless the decision to make ESO was above them.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. We'll get TES:VI some day. Which is more we can say about the Warcraft series... R.I.P.0 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭frwinters_ESO wrote: »I mean, ok I know they can't be saying what they really think, of course. They are not mad, they are all friends from the “same” company, etc, etc.
But… can you really see Todd Howard approving this game? As we all know he said a lot of times that TES is a jewel and just they know how to handle with this game.
IN MY OPINION, people like Todd or his team, can NEVER agree on their universe inside another random mmorpg.
I really think they think this has not been a good idea. Maybe they thought it was at the beginning. Just like me or many of you.
But, knowing how the MARVELOUS company called Beteshda works and how they put all their souls in TES single player games, do you really think that this random mmorpg that is using TES universe, name and lore is something that Beth is seeing as a good thing for TES universe?
Do you really think they, while creating Fallout 4, or creating a bit of this and that for TES VI, they agree with seeing ESO out there?
Of course they can't do anything about it, because ZOS is the mother company, but just asking your opinion.
Seeing how this game is being a failure in many aspects, how a lot of people is cancelling and how IN GENERAL mmorpgs world works nowadays (all the business ending in f2p games)… do you think that while they see how mods continue appearing for Skyrim every day, how skyrim is being played JUST in steam by 50.000-60.000 players everyday (top 5-10). Seeing how stills being one of the best selling games in the christmas/summer offers, 3 years later. Knowing that it has been the most successul game by them.
Do you really think they see this TESO thing as necessary? What if this game will make many people think in a bad way when talking about TES universe?
I KNOW it has nothing to do regarding the sp game while talking about the people creating it and that it does not interfere with the lore of sp games, but you know...the name of the game is Elder Scrolls.
I stopped reading and dont know if anyone else posted this yet but Zenimax owns Bethesda. They are one in the same. Bethesda handles single player content games, Fallout Series, Dishonored, TES, thats it. I am sure they had a hand in the design, the feel, the story, but Zenimax Online controls it primarily. They are all one company.
It is not exactly as you say. Zenimaz Media owns everythinhg, not Zenimax Online. See wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeniMax_Media
But I didn't ask if they had a hand on TESO or not, of course they helped with the lore. The question came from another pov. Of course if you don't read the whole first post and the rest, you wont understand.Edited by RazielSR on July 9, 2014 3:35PM1 -
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But isn't that the whole reason why Bethesda agreed to have them make an MMO? Because they know the demand for a multiplayer Elder Scrolls is huge and that they, themselves, don't want to be bothered making it?AlexDougherty wrote: »but not as good as it could have been. But then every MMO is never as good as it could have been.
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Because of that reason (and more), I really think Beth see the whole mmorpg ESO as a bad idea.
If they didn't think it'd work, they wouldn't have published it. Unless the decision to make ESO was above them.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. We'll get TES:VI some day. Which is more we can say about the Warcraft series... R.I.P.
Well, yes, but that does not interfere with my thoughts. Of course the online part is not from BGS, but would you like to see your creation being something that was not meant to be? I don't know...BGS is a very serious company and to see the whole TES universe into an mmorpg knwoing what that means...I mean look at the armor colours...It seems like a bad joke against a really great lore and universe, fame and fanbase.1 -
Mescalamba✭✭✭Hm..
..if I was creator of TES series. Nope I wouldnt be exactly thrilled, but not entirely disappointed. Some storylines are really good and TES was about stories.
Sure its not perfect, but its MMO, it can be improved.
Just ehm.. those color dyes? Sigh, want to scratch my eyes out after those screenshots..Proud owner of personal vampire and werewolf army (4 werewolves/4 vampires)..
I'm also using large doses of irony and sarcasm.
Plus Im mean person, cause I really dont have reason to like you. Or anyone.1 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭Mescalamba wrote: »
Just ehm.. those color dyes? Sigh, want to scratch my eyes out after those screenshots..
I feel your pain!
It is not that we are against some colour here and there, but please just lock some colours/tones/combinations. It would be like if this forum was with a pink artwork and blue text...
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You'd be surprised at how companies can work together to make a product. I can even say it's tiresome but, normally, all companies involved are pleased.
But isn't that the whole reason why Bethesda agreed to have them make an MMO? Because they know the demand for a multiplayer Elder Scrolls is huge and that they, themselves, don't want to be bothered making it?AlexDougherty wrote: »but not as good as it could have been. But then every MMO is never as good as it could have been.
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Because of that reason (and more), I really think Beth see the whole mmorpg ESO as a bad idea.
If they didn't think it'd work, they wouldn't have published it. Unless the decision to make ESO was above them.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. We'll get TES:VI some day. Which is more we can say about the Warcraft series... R.I.P.
Well, yes, but that does not interfere with my thoughts. Of course the online part is not from BGS, but would you like to see your creation being something that was not meant to be? I don't know...BGS is a very serious company and to see the whole TES universe into an mmorpg knwoing what that means...I mean look at the armor colours...It seems like a bad joke against a really great lore and universe, fame and fanbase.
Just look at Skyrim, for example, a LOT of people dislike that game and believe it's a departure from the series... like Oblivion was a departure, like Morrowind was, etc...
So no, I don't think that Bethesda's disappointed with the product. Maybe in terms of revenue, who knows.1
