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ZoS, are you aware of the exploits that blues are using in Auriel's Bow?
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Lyall84✭✭✭✭nawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
That was nerfed so you haven't seen it recently. Fiery Grip can no long pull if the target is above or below.
Odd, nerfed recently as in last 24 hours? Saw it over the weekend. Maybe it is limited to certain keeps like someone else posted.0 -
Easy solution to the Alt DK option is Limit war zones to one faction per account. meaning if you set your home and guest to a character from AD you can not set those same zones with an alt belonging to a different faction...
It wont eliminate all of it because people can still have a 2nd account or pay a guildy to set theirs to that zone. but it will get rid of a fair amount of it and prevent a lot of spying and trolling.2 -
Example, Dragon Leap from ground outside of wall the third floor Inside of the keep with no walls down. 3 or 4 at a time, doing it instantly time after time, no recovery time.0 -
Lyall84✭✭✭✭Rammanjeff wrote: »We saw them playing dirty today from early morning Pacific time until just a few hours ago. Some even recorded them hacking and using exploits.
All we can do is hope that ZOS_Admins look into it and ban the Empress and her followers.
I vote for leaving the campaign all blue and moving to another campaign. If nobody tries to battle the DC smurfs, they gain nothing. We get a new campaign to play in and no exploiters or griefers to contend with!
Did Empress reroll DC?...they were EP prior to Elite Guard jumping ship to Wabba or wherever they went.0 -
onlinegamer1✭✭✭✭✭
✭But if exploiting was used...this "superior tactics and out played" drum should not be beaten so loudly. Especially if it comes out that exploits were in fact used.
Like I said, if this was legitimate, hats off to you. My crusade is against people that somehow think that exploits don't exist or what they are doing is not an exploit when it clearly is.
If you stop and think for just a minute, you will come to the realization that one faction cannot "out play" or "use superior tactics" vs another faction. Its not as if all the "smart" players just so happened to all join the same faction and the other ones all have idiots.
No, you will realize that there are smart players in all 3 factions, and when one faction just dominates a map, there precisely 2 and only 2 explanations possible:
- superior numbers
- exploits
There is no other way in ESO for one faction to dominate a map continually. NOTE: I am not talking about ninja-ing a map overnight, I am talking about taking the map, and holding the map, without losing control, day and night, against organized guilds who are actively trying to recapture territory (not pugs).
And I can tell you flat out that DC does not outnumber AD + EP on Auriel's Bow.
Again, its not up for debate - exploits are being used, and individual players have been reported numerous times. This is a fact. This post is to get ZoS to acknowledge that they are aware of it, or suffer yet another round of unsubs from people quitting over yet another major F up in PvP.3 -
Fshober28b14_ESO✭✭✭yelloweyedemon wrote: »Nothing more annoying than people calling the other alliances "blues, reds and yellows"
PS: I bet OP was also crying about vet content being too hard
lol says the 'yellow'eyedemonEdited by Fshober28b14_ESO on July 9, 2014 12:11AM1 -
WebBull✭✭✭✭✭
✭nawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
That was nerfed so you haven't seen it recently. Fiery Grip can no long pull if the target is above or below.
Odd, nerfed recently as in last 24 hours? Saw it over the weekend. Maybe it is limited to certain keeps like someone else posted.
Yes recently like yesterdays maintenance
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Lyall84✭✭✭✭nawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
That was nerfed so you haven't seen it recently. Fiery Grip can no long pull if the target is above or below.
Odd, nerfed recently as in last 24 hours? Saw it over the weekend. Maybe it is limited to certain keeps like someone else posted.
Yes recently like yesterdays maintenance
Just found other posts about that. Thank you.0 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I find it interesting that players in this thread are complaining about DKs pulling people onto walls last night
While people in this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/118488/so-dk-s-fiery-grip-was-nerfed-monday
are complaining the skill was nerfed yesterday, if not earlier."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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the OP is right, just saw 2 speed hacks last week, both were DC.nawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit.
Instead of crying about exploits and hacks, look to yourself, your guild and faction about improving your game and getting better.
not sure about the other 2 things.
There is no speed hack for this game. Google it, try to find one. Doesn't exists. Its a bug in game from programming.MonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »you caught us, us cheaters just cheating to winnawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
This hasn't happened, we never got chain pulled on to any keep and the one time we had a ad alt log on was to watch your QQ in zone chat and troll.
This post is gold, thanks for this.
Lol, nice assumption that I am AD. Sorry, but you are mistaken. Not trying to make an accusation either way, but I have seen AD use the DK wall bypass trick before. The speed at which the map flopped from Yellow to Blue made me wonder if I had a brain aneurysm because I logged off for a couple of hours and came back and though I was color blind. Could it have been overwhelming numbers and good tactics? Sure. But seeing how the pop bar was only at one before (from what I hear during as well) and after, it is not too much of a stretch to think that DC used the DK wall climb as well.
Either way. I am out. BLOOD FOR THE PACT.
Wait, you logged off with majority control for AD, came back a "couple of hours" later, saw that it was majority control for DC, and your first thought was "EXPLOITS!" because they weren't at max capacity?
You do know that skill+strategy can easily beat sheer numbers very often. Otherwise every player in Cyrodiil is basically zergling fodder and we're just playing a calculator.
No, my first thought was not exploits. Mine was brain aneurysm. Afterwards I thought, good for them, maybe we will finally get a good three way war. Either way, it would not be surprising that exploits are being used. Especially not surprising with all the Emperor swapping going on.
The only point I was trying to point out is that there are plenty of people that think just because the game allows them to do things like DK wall climbing, that it somehow is not an exploit.
The reason why it was shocking because in 2 or 3 hours time. The entire map flipped. The sheer amount of people needed to do that with knocked down walls, repaired walls, etc would be astronomical. Very impressive if you managed to muster up the people. Even if you sent runners to each and every keep with camps. Took the keep with only 1 or 2 resources. Suicide at the remaining resource. Spawn at new camp, etc. The amount of time needed to take every keep in the entite map would still be longer than 2 or 3 hours.
If this was done legitimately, hats off to you. But every one denying that these exploits exist, or that they are even exploits...playing with fire in my opinion. I hope you avoid the ban hammer if Zenimax makes the decision to swing it if you are using these techniques.
Lets not forget all the other exploits that AD/EP/DC used at their leisure multiple times in the past. This is a fallacious assumption to accuse people of exploiting when, in the past, the majority population all used the same exploits.
-Wayshrine bug to get into spawn
-WW speed bug
-Caltrops Immune to all siege
Only seen DC use the wayshrine bug on Aurels Bow.
WW speed bug? Must have missed that one. Been a WW from level 38, naturally (via NPC not player), but didn't start PvP until VR5 or so. Probably fixed by then.
Caltrops...everyone is dirty on that one. Everyone was using them, even if you didn't want to, someone in the group did. Glad they fixed it.
Now, I am not OP. Personally I think OP needs to stop with the public QQ and continue sending in his report player tickets. If it is exploiting or cheating, ZeniMax will do what they need to do to fix it. Patch or ban, or whatever.
But if exploiting was used...this "superior tactics and out played" drum should not be beaten so loudly. Especially if it comes out that exploits were in fact used.
Like I said, if this was legitimate, hats off to you. My crusade is against people that somehow think that exploits don't exist or what they are doing is not an exploit when it clearly is.
I first hand experienced the DC push. There is no exploit, no hack, no cheat, no bug. Legit better tactics and teamwork. They work as a solid unit that's the bottom line. They don't run around with chickens with their heads cut off. There is only one group on AD, that has the same organization. And that group can stand toe to toe with the DC group.
And I assure you AD used a lot of the wayshrine exploit. I have plenty of SS to prove it.Edited by Deadkitty on July 9, 2014 12:09AM0 -
Fshober28b14_ESO✭✭✭Thieves, cheats and liars will always defend their methods....even in the face of damning evidence. It's their sole duty when suspect to deflect and distract as much as humanly possible....geez do we have politicians playing this game???
The worst thing in all of this is the lack of personal responsiblity. Just because you can doesn't mean you should, and when you do(and this goes for anyone regardless of faction) it does destroy the community in the very game you all were here and playing and loving.
You make these choices to not only use but heinously abuse these exploitable skills, mechanics, environment right into the ground. No conscious effort to willfully choose not to engage in that behavior(or stop doing so once youre aware its not intended) that you know will inevitably drive players to leave, and it hurts the very game you as well are paying money to play just like everyone else.
I just dont get those of you that, ever did and still do, not only use but abuse and seek out any and every way to exploit anything you can phish out of this game...you have to be physically forced thru dev fixes to stop doing something you should have the sportsmanship to NOT DO willingly.
The bottom line is simple, you have a choice, and many of you choose wrong..and constantly keep on choosing wrong, and you know better. You create a toxic environment that causes a shedding of its player base not wanting to stay here, and then you cry about how downward the game is heading etc. etc. etc. when it's your own damned faults on this issue.Edited by Fshober28b14_ESO on July 9, 2014 12:28AM2 -
Lyall84✭✭✭✭
the OP is right, just saw 2 speed hacks last week, both were DC.nawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit.
Instead of crying about exploits and hacks, look to yourself, your guild and faction about improving your game and getting better.
not sure about the other 2 things.
There is no speed hack for this game. Google it, try to find one. Doesn't exists. Its a bug in game from programming.MonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »you caught us, us cheaters just cheating to winnawzyahb14_ESO wrote: »You all are just out-skilled and outmatched in every way. You can't even figure out what we're doing is legit. Instead of looking to yourself and asking how can you improve and get better, you cry exploits and hacks.
Don't know...having a level 10 alt DK for the opposite faction chain pull people up the wall from your main faction kind of seems like exploiting to me. Maybe even crossing the line into the realm of cheating. Seen that happen more than once.
This hasn't happened, we never got chain pulled on to any keep and the one time we had a ad alt log on was to watch your QQ in zone chat and troll.
This post is gold, thanks for this.
Lol, nice assumption that I am AD. Sorry, but you are mistaken. Not trying to make an accusation either way, but I have seen AD use the DK wall bypass trick before. The speed at which the map flopped from Yellow to Blue made me wonder if I had a brain aneurysm because I logged off for a couple of hours and came back and though I was color blind. Could it have been overwhelming numbers and good tactics? Sure. But seeing how the pop bar was only at one before (from what I hear during as well) and after, it is not too much of a stretch to think that DC used the DK wall climb as well.
Either way. I am out. BLOOD FOR THE PACT.
Wait, you logged off with majority control for AD, came back a "couple of hours" later, saw that it was majority control for DC, and your first thought was "EXPLOITS!" because they weren't at max capacity?
You do know that skill+strategy can easily beat sheer numbers very often. Otherwise every player in Cyrodiil is basically zergling fodder and we're just playing a calculator.
No, my first thought was not exploits. Mine was brain aneurysm. Afterwards I thought, good for them, maybe we will finally get a good three way war. Either way, it would not be surprising that exploits are being used. Especially not surprising with all the Emperor swapping going on.
The only point I was trying to point out is that there are plenty of people that think just because the game allows them to do things like DK wall climbing, that it somehow is not an exploit.
The reason why it was shocking because in 2 or 3 hours time. The entire map flipped. The sheer amount of people needed to do that with knocked down walls, repaired walls, etc would be astronomical. Very impressive if you managed to muster up the people. Even if you sent runners to each and every keep with camps. Took the keep with only 1 or 2 resources. Suicide at the remaining resource. Spawn at new camp, etc. The amount of time needed to take every keep in the entite map would still be longer than 2 or 3 hours.
If this was done legitimately, hats off to you. But every one denying that these exploits exist, or that they are even exploits...playing with fire in my opinion. I hope you avoid the ban hammer if Zenimax makes the decision to swing it if you are using these techniques.
Lets not forget all the other exploits that AD/EP/DC used at their leisure multiple times in the past. This is a fallacious assumption to accuse people of exploiting when, in the past, the majority population all used the same exploits.
-Wayshrine bug to get into spawn
-WW speed bug
-Caltrops Immune to all siege
Only seen DC use the wayshrine bug on Aurels Bow.
WW speed bug? Must have missed that one. Been a WW from level 38, naturally (via NPC not player), but didn't start PvP until VR5 or so. Probably fixed by then.
Caltrops...everyone is dirty on that one. Everyone was using them, even if you didn't want to, someone in the group did. Glad they fixed it.
Now, I am not OP. Personally I think OP needs to stop with the public QQ and continue sending in his report player tickets. If it is exploiting or cheating, ZeniMax will do what they need to do to fix it. Patch or ban, or whatever.
But if exploiting was used...this "superior tactics and out played" drum should not be beaten so loudly. Especially if it comes out that exploits were in fact used.
Like I said, if this was legitimate, hats off to you. My crusade is against people that somehow think that exploits don't exist or what they are doing is not an exploit when it clearly is.
I first hand experienced the DC push. There is no exploit, no hack, no cheat, no bug. Legit better tactics and teamwork. They work as a solid unit that's the bottom line. They don't run around with chickens with their heads cut off. There is only one group on AD, that has the same organization. And that group can stand toe to toe with the DC group.
And I assure you AD used a lot of the wayshrine exploit. I have plenty of SS to prove it.
At the EP wayshrines I only ever saw blue shields. Never been to either of the other two sides, so dont know if EP was doing the same thing.
And I do not doubt your core groups skill. I believe it might have been that group coordinating with our core group for the first little bit at the beginning of the campaign. The biggest difference is that it appears that your group has a bigger following than ours.
From an EP standpoint, I hope that exploits were not used. It will make for better PvP having a multifaceted war than our smaller (but growing) EP group running around being a pain in ADs side with little or no contact with DC.1 -
onlinegamer1 wrote: »
I can provide video evidence off all known bugs or in game mechanics; and the cause of the bugs, which I have reported to ZOS. Everything stated in this thread can be dismissed as a programming error and a bug or is working as intended untill changed by ZOS. I do not pick sides in this argument, only state the facts. In all honestly, not only is it childish, but degrading to the community as a whole to be acting like this. People cannot admit to defeat, they would rather cower and make accusations then to actually take a persistent attitude to improving their own player skill. [snip]
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on July 9, 2014 12:39AM1 -
yelloweyedemon✭✭✭Fshober28b14_ESO wrote: »yelloweyedemon wrote: »Nothing more annoying than people calling the other alliances "blues, reds and yellows"
PS: I bet OP was also crying about vet content being too hard
lol says the 'yellow'eyedemon
You win this time!
Lol :P0 -
Fshober28b14_ESO✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »
I can provide video evidence off all known bugs or in game mechanics; and the cause of the bugs, which I have reported to ZOS. Everything stated in this thread can be dismissed as a programming error and a bug or is working as intended untill changed by ZOS. I do not pick sides in this argument, only state the facts. In all honestly, not only is it childish, but degrading to the community as a whole to be acting like this. People cannot admit to defeat, they would rather cower and make accusations then to actually take a persistent attitude to improving their own player skill. That's the mentality of an 8 year old.
The point is NOT wether the elements in question are bugs and the type of bugs they are.....the POINT is the knowledge and exploit and ABUSE of their use, not their existence being bugs vs. hacks and so on.
What I find interesting is that the most self-proclaimed 'skilled' "A-Team" DC players were seen using the bugged elements in question. Again back to choice...if those players are that skilled, then they would have no need to use any skills not functioning as they are intended and/or using them or any other broken/bugged elements to gain improper acces to any PVP components via their use.
If they did in fact not do what was seen & documented by a multitude of players, then they have nothing to be concerned about. If they did, well then we shall just wait and see what ZoS thinks & does about all this.
Edited by Fshober28b14_ESO on July 9, 2014 12:48AM2 -
Lyall84✭✭✭✭yelloweyedemon wrote: »Fshober28b14_ESO wrote: »yelloweyedemon wrote: »Nothing more annoying than people calling the other alliances "blues, reds and yellows"
PS: I bet OP was also crying about vet content being too hard
lol says the 'yellow'eyedemon
You win this time!
Lol :P
But your picture is blue eyed?Edited by Lyall84 on July 9, 2014 12:46AM0 -
Fshober28b14_ESO✭✭✭yelloweyedemon wrote: »Fshober28b14_ESO wrote: »yelloweyedemon wrote: »Nothing more annoying than people calling the other alliances "blues, reds and yellows"
PS: I bet OP was also crying about vet content being too hard
lol says the 'yellow'eyedemon
You win this time!
Lol :P
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Fshober28b14_ESO wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »
I can provide video evidence off all known bugs or in game mechanics; and the cause of the bugs, which I have reported to ZOS. Everything stated in this thread can be dismissed as a programming error and a bug or is working as intended untill changed by ZOS. I do not pick sides in this argument, only state the facts. In all honestly, not only is it childish, but degrading to the community as a whole to be acting like this. People cannot admit to defeat, they would rather cower and make accusations then to actually take a persistent attitude to improving their own player skill. That's the mentality of an 8 year old.
The point is NOT wether the elements in question are bugs and the type of bugs they are.....the POINT is the knowledge and exploit and ABUSE of their use, not their existence being bugs vs. hacks and so on.
What I find interesting is that the most self-proclaimed 'skilled' "A-Team" DC players were seen using the bugged elements in question. Again back to choice...if those players are that skilled, then they would have no need to use any skills not functioning as they are intended and/or using them or any other broken/bugged elements to gain improper acces to any PVP components via their use.
If they did in fact not do what was seen & documented by a multitude of players, then they have nothing to be concerned about. If they did, well then we shall just wait and see what ZoS thinks & does about all this.
Current game breaking bugs.
-invisible keep wall bug
-speed bug
-damage bug
Current bugs that can be exploited.
-none
None of those bugs can be exploited at will. The occur by mere chance. Ideas have been made that create the bug, but cannot be emulated at will. The stipulations of Thea accusations are based merely on no knowledge of the subject.1 -
ZOS_JasonI✭✭✭✭Hey there, everyone. If you encounter any specific occurrences of inappropriate behavior while playing ESO that you'd like our team to investigate, we ask that you please contact our Support Team directly by submitting a ticket, or reporting the behavior in-game using "/help." Our team is always investigating behavior that violates our terms of service.
We also do not allow the discussion of exploits on our forums, as it encourages others to try those potential exploits. As a result, we've closed this thread. Thank you for your understanding.0
This discussion has been closed.