I personally like the idea that Heavy Armour gives spell resistance. I like most of these passives, but I would change the second passive to spell resistance. But that's just personal taste.

Wait... what did they do to medium armor that was such a DRASTIC buff?

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Wait... what did they do to medium armor that was such a DRASTIC buff?

Medium had always half-way competent passives compared to light except for stamina cost reduction (wich they added). I play a medium armor NB and the problem now they added the cost reduction is not in the armor passives, but in the stamina mechanics this game use (pool used for everything, garbage damage in most skills, no ultimates, 1 single aoe if you are a stamina user using dw/2h while magick classes can simply use 48754 different magicka based aoes..).

Heavy has right now the worst passives by far imho. Own copypaste from other thread.

- Bracing 20% block cost reduction VS 28% ALL MAGICKA cost reduction. Seems a bit unfair, doesnt it?

- Rapid Mending 1%/piece extra heal income. So 7% extra heal at best. Id say this is pure garbage. Even more in a game where there are no big raw heals but hot stacking. Not fit for a 5th armor passive imho.

- Juggernaut, 1%/piece extra WEAPON DAMAGE only for MELEE ATTACKS. It only increases weapon damage, wich is only a part of the total damage stamina skills and melee/ranged swings do.

So a 7% increase in weapon damage, while it represents only a 40% of the total damage a melee swing and stamina skill does (simple figure), would mean 0.07*0.4=0,028. A 2,8% damage boost only for melee swings. Garbage passive again.

- Constitution. 4%/p Health Regen bonus vs 4%/p Stamina Regen & 2%/p STA cost reduction. Deja vú. Seems heavy armor is the slow cousin of the family. The buff that the devs gave to this medium armor passive is ludicrous. Garbage passive again.

- Resolve. I think most of tanks dont need so many armor % modifiers. Everybody can get a stupid 1000 armor bonus simply using Bone Armor. What about a critical damage resistance (-x% crit damage received)? Not fit for the slow cousing I guess.


Right now heavy is far from being the best tanking choice, even more during VR1-10 zones and the allmighty 90% armpen trashmobs, and dps oriented is just incredibly lackluster (but for some people it seems heavy armor should not fit any dps role...). All of the passives are pure garbage compared to their light/medium counterparts.

Why should wearing a robe make you stronger against a fireball?

Immovablen what else ?

mousekime111rwb17_ESO wrote: »

passive one: Resolve - 1 - 2 - 3% damage reduction per heavy armor piece worn

passive two: constitution, reduces stamina cost of melee abilities depending on how high hp you currently have and increases hp regen by the current amount, (1.5%/3% cost reduction per piece of heavy armor @ 100%)

passive three: Juggernaut, 5%/10% the armor rating of equipped heavy armor is added to the initial damage of NON CRITICAL melee hits (added before any other damage calculations) (half effect on light basic attacks)

Passive four bracing: Reduces cost of blocking by 10/20% when a full set of heavy armor is worn (same as is)

Passive five, rapid mending: Increased healing received by .5/1% per piece of heavy armor worn (same as is)

I feel this will give a much nicer feel to heavy armor as damage reduction is universally better than bonus armor making my suggestion give more tankiness than the current passive.

As for the damage side of things, I opted for diminishing with health stamina cost reduction so that it's still weaker than the medium armor equivalent but still offering at least SOMETHING to help heavy armor users stay relevant and figured that the change to the juggernaut passive would offer a REAL alternative to using crits for damage

Mate, I don't mean to sound harsh but some of the ideas are not well thought out at all. I will elaborate.

Resolve - It's fine as it is and your suggestion would make heavy armour OP. Lemme explain: 3% damage reduction per item means wearing a 5-piece heavy PvP set you get 15% + 5% = 20% less damage taken from players. Add the 20% from player AoE as well and you character would ignore 40% of impulse damage before mitigation. That's way too much and will cause huge imbalance in Cyrodiil

Constitution - You need to remember you also have stamina cost reduction from the weapons lines. So any improvement from the armour would have to be marginal. I think 1%/2% like wind walker is more than enough

Juggernaut - 10% of 1500 armour is 150 and half of that (for light attacks) is 75. If a DKs Flame Whip does normally around ~400HP dmg adding 150 on top would push it to 550. Also you can animation cancel light attacks with all instant cast melee abilities. So if you have a 2H Sword with 150 rating, that's 150+75 = 225. You can animation cancel that with the Whip for an instant cast damage of 225 + 550 = 775 before crits. That's way way too much.

I would like to see the same reduction added to Wind Walker to be added to Constitution and if the increase from Juggernaut affected both Weapon and Spell Damage for melee attacks (weapons or class skills) that would be brilliant.

I would wear heavy armour tomorrow if that were the case

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

mousekime111rwb17_ESO wrote: »

passive one: Resolve - 1 - 2 - 3% damage reduction per heavy armor piece worn

passive two: constitution, reduces stamina cost of melee abilities depending on how high hp you currently have and increases hp regen by the current amount, (1.5%/3% cost reduction per piece of heavy armor @ 100%)

passive three: Juggernaut, 5%/10% the armor rating of equipped heavy armor is added to the initial damage of NON CRITICAL melee hits (added before any other damage calculations) (half effect on light basic attacks)

Passive four bracing: Reduces cost of blocking by 10/20% when a full set of heavy armor is worn (same as is)

Passive five, rapid mending: Increased healing received by .5/1% per piece of heavy armor worn (same as is)

I feel this will give a much nicer feel to heavy armor as damage reduction is universally better than bonus armor making my suggestion give more tankiness than the current passive.

As for the damage side of things, I opted for diminishing with health stamina cost reduction so that it's still weaker than the medium armor equivalent but still offering at least SOMETHING to help heavy armor users stay relevant and figured that the change to the juggernaut passive would offer a REAL alternative to using crits for damage

Mate, I don't mean to sound harsh but some of the ideas are not well thought out at all. I will elaborate.

Resolve - It's fine as it is and your suggestion would make heavy armour OP. Lemme explain: 3% damage reduction per item means wearing a 5-piece heavy PvP set you get 15% + 5% = 20% less damage taken from players. Add the 20% from player AoE as well and you character would ignore 40% of impulse damage before mitigation. That's way too much and will cause huge imbalance in Cyrodiil

Constitution - You need to remember you also have stamina cost reduction from the weapons lines. So any improvement from the armour would have to be marginal. I think 1%/2% like wind walker is more than enough

Juggernaut - 10% of 1500 armour is 150 and half of that (for light attacks) is 75. If a DKs Flame Whip does normally around ~400HP dmg adding 150 on top would push it to 550. Also you can animation cancel light attacks with all instant cast melee abilities. So if you have a 2H Sword with 150 rating, that's 150+75 = 225. You can animation cancel that with the Whip for an instant cast damage of 225 + 550 = 775 before crits. That's way way too much.

I would like to see the same reduction added to Wind Walker to be added to Constitution and if the increase from Juggernaut affected both Weapon and Spell Damage for melee attacks (weapons or class skills) that would be brilliant.

I would wear heavy armour tomorrow if that were the case

so a few things, on the damage reduction, make it scale from different sources with diminishing returns, 20% from one source leaves it at 80% damage taken, 20% from another leaves it at 64% damage taken, not 60%. I don't see a problem with a tank not dieing instantly to a spell that's designed to either take out lots of weak enemies or be used once for it's total health debuff and then have single target abilities used after.

On armor instead of straight DR: weakness to elements, light armor passives, mark target, crushing glyphs, pvp passive penetration - 2.5k armor and spell resist (the hard cap) gets reduced to ~ 200 - 300 really quite easily, flat DR would be required to be tanky in this situation.

Yeah i got my numbers wrong on constitution, my bad I'll let that one slide.

as for juggernaut, i specified NON- critical hits, I don't see a problem with sacrificing 21% crit chance on flame whip to have it hit ~ 20% harder normally, hell maybe I'll even update it to suggest that every consecutive non critical gains an additional 10% of this bonus damage up to a cap of 50% extra, to really encourage a 0% critical chance build (making an option to disable the pvp bonuses of course)

Are you trying to be funny? Drastically aided? HAHA.

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Wait... what did they do to medium armor that was such a DRASTIC buff?

Nothing absloutely nothing

woodlandwoodsb14_ESO wrote: »

Making the Immovable skill exclusive to Heavy Armor users would be a good start.

Make it so it requires 5 equipped pieces to be activated, to inhibit people who would try to wear just 1 piece to still use it.

Samadhi wrote: »

woodlandwoodsb14_ESO wrote: »

Making the Immovable skill exclusive to Heavy Armor users would be a good start.

Make it so it requires 5 equipped pieces to be activated, to inhibit people who would try to wear just 1 piece to still use it.

this only suffices to nerf the other armor trees, not buff heavy armor - while it's a needed change it's not going to make heavy armor any more viable.