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Are you happy with the change to VR content?

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Edited by badmojo on July 7, 2014 7:10PM
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Are you happy with the change to VR content? 591 votes

Yes
46%
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No
29%
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Undecided
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  • ers101284b14_ESO
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    No
    Though I guess its not all bad now that I don't have to do stupid crap like pay attention, dodge, block, try, or take damage.
  • Tr1cksh0t
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    No
    Would rather have had them increase the xp
  • Montanabum
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    No
    Ok I am all for getting folks to enjoy the game and if the majority is what drove this change fine. But it is much to easy now folks. I used to absolutely have to run with my two pets as a bow sorc/stamina build in order to stay alive in VR. I am now VR7 and just playing for a few moments.. I did not call my pets and took on a dual enemy set and hammered them with light attacks and bombard and did not move out of their cast circles.. took fire to the face etc.. I never went below 60% Health.. Before the patch I would have been smoked if I didnt move out of the casting circle with fire inbound.. And that is with my healing twilight!! Again I did not summon my pets at all.. It is waaaaay easier and was only hoping to see a slight change. There is no thought process involved now honestly. I can just run into anything and smoke it. I miss using my brain.
  • Istyar
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    No
    It's indferent to me now, because I already canceled my sub. But I feel better knowing that I leveled my char trough a much more dificult game than those who will play the game now.
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  • Kewljag_66_ESO
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    No
    The VR content was actually a challenge and actually felt similiar to how did in Skyrim, you fought tough guys, had to block and use tactics. If you died you would plan out a stategy. Now its basically i just attack and kill, no tactics required. Looks like the Wow kids won again. Its sad
  • Falmer
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    I'm pretty much ambivalent about it at this point. Will be parking most of my characters at VR1 anyway.

    I don't much see the point of replaying content on the same character either way. I would MUCH rather play the game from the beginning with an all new class and character.

    VR content should have been all new content. I would have struggled through the difficulty if I was seeing something I could only see by being a veteran.
  • gemmill1b16_ESO
    Yes
    I quite liked the challenge im a VR12 that didn't use the craglorn anomalies to get there.But it was the mind numbing grind of questing and the fact that i shouldn't be made to do the other factions questline until i'm ready to do them myself on an alt.It was lazy game development that lead to this.Now i don't know if i can even be bothered rolling an alt to try the other factions as they have already ruined it for me.
    Now i havn't tried this yet since i'm on the euro server but from what i'm reading they should have nerfed it less and increased the EXP and better loot as that is the only problem i seen.I was doing all these quests grinding and getting absolute garbage as a reward and hardly any exp.
  • spinedoc
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    I don't mind challenge, I don't mind having to use my head to get past difficult encounters. But to have to do this for what is basically 100 more levels with constant trash mobs just was unacceptable and incredibly tedious, not fun. Personally I would have made the trash mobs in the way easier, but kept the old VR level difficulty for mobs that mattered, were part of the quest, bosses, etc. This way the stress of "strategizing" was constrained to only meaningful encounters, making that stress fun instead of incredibly tedious.
  • spinedoc
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    The other elephant in the room that Zenimax is ignoring is the lack of content in VR levels. Taking the other factions quests and recycling them is a poor excuse for content. Maybe some of us who have alts don't want to grind through difficult VR content THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE. Give us some original content for each faction for the VR levels, I think that would have went a long way to solving the complaints.
  • Phinix1
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    No
    Would have been nice if they could have buffed templars and nightblades in pve a bit instead of making it so you can ignore game mechanics.
  • Dayv
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    Yes
    On paper, Yes, but as I'm on EU it'd be unfair of me to vote until I've actually experienced it.
  • badmojo
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    No
    Like Kewljag said above, this change removed the strategy for me. Attacking a group of 3 used to be a big deal, I had to plan my approach, make no mistakes and observe my surroundings so that I didn't aggro any other mobs around the group.

    Now, I just run in and slay them on auto pilot like it was in 1-50. I can go back to listening to audiobooks while I play this game, because my brain isn't needed(or stimulated) during the actual PvE combat.
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  • Arsenic_Touch
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    No
    Making things easier instead of fixing bugs, class balance, weapon skill balance, armor balance and addressing the lack of carrot to the content? Of course I'm not happy with it. It's all down hill from here because if the average player becomes accustomed to this play style, future content will be built around this new status quo.

    I've been through plenty of mmos where this line of thinking has ruined the game and I am not looking forward to that happening with this franchise.

    Hey, I called it before it happened. People went off on me and said I was full of it and there was no evidence to support my claims. Yeah, how's it feel? this is one of those times where I take no pleasure in saying "I told you so."
    Edited by Arsenic_Touch on July 7, 2014 7:45PM
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  • Alphashado
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    Yes
    I'm voting yes only because I supported this change, but I am going to wait a few weeks and see how it effects the game before I make a final judgement. I am very happy to see many posts from people that are excited, People that are saying they are eager to get back into the VR zones again. :)

    Edited by Alphashado on July 7, 2014 8:23PM
  • Phinix1
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    No
    Alphashado wrote: »
    I am very happy to see many posts from people that are excited, People that are saying they are eager to get back into the VR zones again.

    If Wildstar thinks they are going to make money on this they are dreaming.
  • Evergnar
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    Undecided
    I'm indifferent. The real issues with it (and game in general) were not addressed.
  • Vis
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    Undecided
    I only pvp so I don't care either way. I guess I am leaning closer to happy because then leveling is faster to get to pvp and the skill level of those coming out will be more farmable.
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  • NerfEverything
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    No
    I would like an "Original Veteran" title for having played through the VR content as designed, before the whiners got it nerfed.

    That being said, I personally do not like the changes, but I understand why others may like them.

    The problem with the super easy VR levels is that you will end up with VR12s that do not have a mastery of their class, because they were able to level to the cap using a 2 skill rotation, standing in fire, never blocking.

    Right now, if you group with VR12s, odds are that they aren't horrible players. They may have grinded anomalies, but for the most part they know how to block, and how to move out of the red circles.

    Two weeks from now you will be grouped with VR12s trying to do VR level dungeons and getting wiped left and right because people will be playing like they did 1-50
  • reggielee
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    Undecided
    I would like an "Original Veteran" title for having played through the VR content as designed, before the whiners got it nerfed.

    That being said, I personally do not like the changes, but I understand why others may like them.

    The problem with the super easy VR levels is that you will end up with VR12s that do not have a mastery of their class, because they were able to level to the cap using a 2 skill rotation, standing in fire, never blocking.

    Right now, if you group with VR12s, odds are that they aren't horrible players. They may have grinded anomalies, but for the most part they know how to block, and how to move out of the red circles.

    Two weeks from now you will be grouped with VR12s trying to do VR level dungeons and getting wiped left and right because people will be playing like they did 1-50

    the same vr 12 that didnt group with others because they didnt have the build of the moment or werent in their guild or list of friends or wanted to only speed run dungeons or anomalies ? lets face it, there will always be reasons for players to rag on the skills of other players. At least this way you will have more players that stay in the game for you to ignore and make fun of later on.
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  • Melufey
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    Yes
    I would like an "Original Veteran" title for having played through the VR content as designed, before the whiners got it nerfed.

    That being said, I personally do not like the changes, but I understand why others may like them.

    The problem with the super easy VR levels is that you will end up with VR12s that do not have a mastery of their class, because they were able to level to the cap using a 2 skill rotation, standing in fire, never blocking.

    Right now, if you group with VR12s, odds are that they aren't horrible players. They may have grinded anomalies, but for the most part they know how to block, and how to move out of the red circles.

    Two weeks from now you will be grouped with VR12s trying to do VR level dungeons and getting wiped left and right because people will be playing like they did 1-50

    Oh great master of all uber skills, enlighten me with your wisdom and show me how to smash those skill free players all over the world.

    Was this enough sarcasm?

    You're not setting the criterion for all other players. You are not the majority.
    No titel for you just because you facerolled through the VR.

    Most people know what the're doing and what those crazy strange red spots mean. Maybe they will never play so near to perfection like you. But who cares? Nobody. This is a game and a game has to make fun.

    Without those normal players the server will die very early.
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  • hk11
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    Yes
    I think the changes are going to relieve a lot of pressure on Zenimax because more class builds will be able to complete the leveling content with less frustration.

    A lot of classes are pretty viable in PvP but struggle with the same build in PvE. This will no longer be the case. Since PvP is apparently the endgame, this was the best solution.

    It effectively gets rid of the need to wear light armor and staves through the VR leveling content and I think we will see a lot more builds as a result. Trials are another matter, but a large percentage apparently enjoy PvP as the endgame.

    Overall I think this is a positive change.
    Edited by hk11 on July 7, 2014 8:46PM
  • Phinix1
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    No
    Without fire-standers and button mashers, half the population of ANY game will disappear.

    This change was inevitable.
  • Bryong9ub17_ESO
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    No
    NO. It must be a sad life for someone to have everything handed to them and never really feel what a true accomplishment is.

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]
    Edited by ZOS_SandraF on July 7, 2014 11:50PM
  • ThisOnePosts
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    I have been working on a lower level alt and playing Cyrodiil... I haven't been using my main VR12 much (although I did finish all quests, I still run around the VR zones getting rid of baddies as I collect resources for crafting, etc..). But, is this implying they reduced VR difficulty? If so.... WHY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was fine, in fact I like when they had that double health glitch too!!!!!! It felt accomplishing..... ZOS, don't make this game a pushover. This is a great game, offer a way for people to enable a simpler mode with less xp for themselves.... don't take away more interesting combat for the rest of us!! -.-''''

    I'm going to Cyrodiil..... to hunt down those such people, I know who some of you are.... and you will be spawn killed. :grinning:

    Noobs should have their own special setting, that the rest of us don't want. L2P people, LEARN 2 PLAY. I have a character in all 3 alliances, I have every single class, I have multiple of 3 of the 4 classes to try different morphs, I also have 2 werewolves and 2 vampires and 4 regular characters. So... don't tell me this game is tough, it's Learn 2 Play or move on to something else. I thought it was a fair and reasonable "challenge" but in fact I wanted them to increase the difficulty in both non vet and VR zones. #L2P
    Edited by ThisOnePosts on July 7, 2014 8:57PM
  • polar
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    Yes
    I agree with folks that this appears to have been over-nerfed (I am at work and wont get a chance to test until tonight). I am sure they will fix an unintended overnerf- and it appears to be unintended. So, I do think it should have been nerfed. If it gets more people into VR zones it is worth the too-heavy nerf.

    Yes, there could have been better options- One better option could have been to boost exp gains so that just the quests in Cadwell's Almanac are enough to get you to level cap and give better drops to encourage more people in zone. But, we have what we have and I am happy that they are trying to get more people into the zones. It is a step in the right direction, even if it is a bit of an overstep.

    And, this quote: "NO, it caters to the spoiled little cry babies that don't want a challenge. It must be a sad life for someone to have everything handed to them and never really feel what a true accomplishment is"

    ...Dude...No, it must be a sad life to be so emotional about a game and the "spoiled cry babies" that play it. Chill man. It is just a game.
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  • Malpherian
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    Yes
    I love the changes, now I don't have to feel like I am in an intense boss fight every time I pull a trash mob.

    Can't wait to see what they add next :D.
  • demenzia
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    No
    No, I'm not happy! It's like paying for the university course and finding out that you're going to study in one group with (snip) who don't know and don't want to learn the alphabet. At least we still have pvp and trials. I'm sure they will demand to nerf it too though :#

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
    Edited by ZOS_SilviaS on July 7, 2014 10:06PM
  • Lord_Hev
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    Yes
    YES.


    It feels like I'm fighting no-life bandits as they -are-, no life irrelevant less-important-than-Dreugh-dung bandits! Feels good and rewarding to be a Veteran now. Someone whom is the hero of my faction and the Vestige of blah blah.


    Trash is trash. Bosses are bosses, and Elite overworld enemies are still a challenge and a decent fight for pairs and groups! VR dungeons are still VR dungeons that are non-soloable except for Dragonknight tanks in light armor and a staff, and Sorcerers with lolcritsurgeheal + lol55% crit!

    Thank you Zenimax, and I look forward to phase two of your planned changes while you ignore the vocal minority crying their brains out non-constructively, and continue to study your in-game telemetry as you continue to balance VR.
    Edited by Lord_Hev on July 7, 2014 9:37PM
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  • SFBryan18
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    Undecided
    I liked the idea of a challenge, but I didn't get there yet so I'll never know the difference.
  • AelyinESO
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    Well, tbh I dunno, but difficulty settings need some changes. I didn't play yet to check how much easy the game is now, but many people here, did the Craglorn Speed Fast XP to reach VR12, now r complaining about VR+ and VR++ difficulty adjustment (just because they are playing using their alts).

    And checking the pool result for now, we have only 46 (NO) - 113 votes and more than 400 views, many of people that are complaining and flooding some threads are the same 46, and I guess ESO don't have 300 players.

    To help to increase the game experiment I guess @Zenimax in FUTURE, not now, should add some "Extra Zones VR+++" and give some challenge, but talking about POS-50 it's fine, since they're many options to have some changeling like Craglorn, CoH and PVP Zone (for now) since they didn't change their difficulty.

    Guys I don't wanna flame, and nothing like it, but we need to understand, that they need to be at middle, people are hard core, and others not.

    WOW, Diablo, GW2, WildStar, all that have same complains, same people saying (it's too easy) and the game didn't change and have MANY people playing (even people that like to complain about everything).

    Cya!
    Edited by AelyinESO on July 7, 2014 9:48PM
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