SFBryan18 wrote: »

So like having a Clannfear and Volatile Familiar?

You could start your own traveling circus.

Actually agree with OP, but should be limited to only ever be able to use one of either morph on skillbar(both), no one wants double stacking of already strong abiltiy buffs.

SFBryan18 wrote: »

How about, to unlock the other morph, it will cost 2 skill points? Does that seem fair?

I was thinking more along the lines of when you max out the first ability, a special + icon pops up that adds a second copy of the ability for a skill point, which needs to be leveled up and morphed for another skill point.

So basically yes, 2 skill points for the second morph, but you should have to grind the ability again.

I like having to make a choice between 2 and only changing it by resetting skill points. I'm not really opposed to the idea but I would like people to still have to consider their choices carefully.

It might change the balance of how often someone wants to reset their skill points but as @SFBryan18‌ mentioned, increasing the skill points it costs would offset that a bit. I think I would put it at 3 skill points, though. People would have to be a bit more picky about whether they really want both of them and would have to pass on other skills that might make them more diverse.

Only being able to have one on the bar at a time would help prevent imbalances. Again, if they were to allow this, I would want them to make it more difficult in player choice and only allow one of the morphs on both bars (if you had morph 1 on weapon 1, you couldn't have morph 2 on weapon 1 or 2).

I usually prefer a certain morph over another anyway so I'm looking forward to more complex morphs rather than being able to have both morphs in 1 tree level (going horizontal in the skill tree rather than vertical).

Allyah wrote: »

I like having to make a choice between 2 and only changing it by resetting skill points. I'm not really opposed to the idea but I would like people to still have to consider their choices carefully.

It might change the balance of how often someone wants to reset their skill points but as @SFBryan18‌ mentioned, increasing the skill points it costs would offset that a bit. I think I would put it at 3 skill points, though. People would have to be a bit more picky about whether they really want both of them and would have to pass on other skills that might make them more diverse.

Only being able to have one on the bar at a time would help prevent imbalances. Again, if they were to allow this, I would want them to make it more difficult in player choice and only allow one of the morphs on both bars (if you had morph 1 on weapon 1, you couldn't have morph 2 on weapon 1 or 2).

I usually prefer a certain morph over another anyway so I'm looking forward to more complex morphs rather than being able to have both morphs in 1 tree level (going horizontal in the skill tree rather than vertical).

Yes, this is what I was talking about as well.

You can swap the morph out of combat, but once you do you can only equip that morph in both bars (or just one, as you please).

What do you think about giving VR levels 1morph skill point? You could only get 12 so you would have to pick wisely wich skills you want to be able to swap morphs, so it would hardly make you immune to the casual need of a respecc, but at least give players some room and a nice reward feeling for VR progression.

Soloeus wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Why not give players the option to level the same skill again and get two copies/morphs of it?

Sometimes both morphs are appealing and useful, but you're forced to choose only one, despite us already being limited to 10 skill slots and having to spend skill points.

I can't see any downsides or imbalances this would create, but maybe other people can enlighten me as to why it's not a good idea.

I think in time we will be able to select Both Morphs to modify our ability. For now, let them balance what we do have access to. I do agree a second morph would be a natural conclusion.

I'm talking about having two copies of the same skill so you can morph them differently and alternate between the two depending on the situation.

It would still be the stuff we already have access to, it would just give players access to both options if they were willing to spend the points.

Sometimes I have the same two skills on both of my bars. That's what got me thinking, if I could get the critical boost shadow ability on my melee bar, and then the dot remove on the ranged bar. It wouldn't be such a waste of space.

VR2 & I have 15 extra skill points with only about 2 passives & maybe a couple morphs I need to unlock. I could learn a new weapon or craft I guess, but the skill points are only going to pile up. I've purchased all the skills I think I'd like for this character.

Archaon wrote: »

I think all of us here are talking about swapping morphs BEFORE entering combat, so you can not equip both of them @badmojo

That would require no balance but, leting people use two different morphs as if they were two different abilities in the same fight, could lead to more *** up posibilities like dot stacking, shield stacking, mitigation stacking, hot stacking...

Imagine dual light armor bubbles, two immovables, two magelights...

Just make them cancel each other out. Only the last one cast is in effect at any time.

Why cant I have 3 hands in call of duty, an assault rifle in one, a 50 cal in the other, and a side arm in my third? i can think of many situations where I would like to have all 3 fire-able in the span of 2 seconds. Next patch! roll em out!

badmojo wrote: »

Why not give players the option to level the same skill again and get two copies/morphs of it?

Sometimes both morphs are appealing and useful, but you're forced to choose only one, despite us already being limited to 10 skill slots and having to spend skill points.

I can't see any downsides or imbalances this would create, but maybe other people can enlighten me as to why it's not a good idea.

Both choices are useful, but you need to make a coice, you choose one and forsake the other. Too many games let you have everything, which isn't necessarily bad, but not good either.

You choose one or the other and live with the choice, that's the whole point, you make a lasting decision that changes your game, it has significance, it's not random.

Now if they could only make the tooltip clearer about what each morph is, then most of us would be happy, still complaining but happy.

badmojo wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

So like having a Clannfear and Volatile Familiar?

Good point. Perhaps the two copies would cancel each other out then. You could have a Clanfear & Volatile Familiar slotted, but you could only summon one at a time.

The same would have to be done with lasting area effects.

Yeah and it could be the same with any other skill. You can have 2 different morphs, but use only one at a time. Sometimes it's quite difficult too choose, because some morphs are more effective in pvp, while for pve it would be better to choose another one. Not to mention that when you choose them, you have no idea how they work in practice, unless it's your second char of the same class.

Yeah, just allow us to spend an extra skill point and swap out the morphs as we see fit. Sure, you cannot use both morphs on the same skill bar, and any active/passive abilities applied by the other morph don't count. But there would be a lot less respec issues.

Already, if you train up a morph, respect to another, and then respec back, you automatically go back to whatever you had learned. So they treat individual morph levels as separate entities.