Speed boost stacking, or...?

Teargrants · July 2014

So, seeing how the EP zerg was feeding hard at Alessia all day long, I went over to check out what was going on. This is what I saw. A certain AD emp running around at seemingly impossible speeds while spamming pulsar and standards. So what I wanna know is, is that just speed buff stacking or something else?

And no it wasn't me lagging, others in zone were commenting on that speed as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uukKp1GnfI4

Saet · July 2014

I've seen some people moving much faster than that in PVP. Its possibly a speed hack but possibly a lot of stacking with that one I'd say.

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO · July 2014

I wrote something in a pretty similar thread.
You cant say that for sure if its just lots of buffs and good play, compared with best gear and specializing or cheating:

You guys know the real hackers don't run at full speed, one shooting people!

They are running about 5-10% faster than possible so you think it's just someone with many speedbuffs and sprinting (although they don't have to use a slot for speedbuffs or need stamina)

They hit about 5-10% harder than a normal crit, or at the level of a high crit all the time, so that you think that they were just lucky with critting a few times in a row.

They mitigate so much damage, so that you think they put everything into defense, while they didn't and have as much magicka as someone putting nothing into defense.

1st rule of a smart hacker is to give you only so much advantage that you don't see exactly that they're hacking but they still have an advantage.
It's like beeing in hardcap on everything, not having the uber values.

During normal play you can never be sure that they have cheated.

That's where you need the things to be handled server side, anti cheat tools and so on.

in short: You cant say it for sure even if its the case.

Also with his healing there is something wrong:

He has 4233 max hp
he was down to 1429 hp
Dragonblood is 33% of missing health.
4233 - 1429 = 2804 hp missing health
33% of 2804 is 925
1429 + 925 = 2354
still he got up to 3250 in a second, which is 1821hp this is even more than 33% of his max health (33% of 4233 = 1396) its 33% of 5518.

Bloody.Iblish · July 2014

As soon as I saw the title of this thread I knew who the accused was.

LunaRae · July 2014

We run into certain players and my guildies swear up and down that they speed hack, it feels good to kill them without letting them get away. You can definitely accumulate move speed though, there doesn't seem to be a soft/hard cap for that (for once, thank god).

Manoekin · July 2014

It's a bug. Every now and then if you're lucky enough you can get bugged and run at ridiculous speeds. I've seen it on numerous random people.

HazardousNovex · July 2014

It's happened to me once, I dunno what triggered it, but changing PvP campaigns seems to fix it.

Teargrants · July 2014

The thing that was really confusing me was that he's sometimes just running at normal speed, then all of a sudden turns into a road runner, and then back to normal. So that's why I didn't think it's a running speed bug. The only thing that made sense to me gameplay-wise would be speed pots, but I don't know of any that make you run that fast.

DrOrpheus · July 2014

i believe its just a bug people exploit and not a hack. The day the campagins reset there was a guy or two on EP who were doing the same thing, except they were running scrolls across the map in like 3-5mins.

DeLindsay · July 2014

Could be a bug/hack or could be the player was in 7-pcs Medium gear with the Athletics passive + Retreating Manuevers + The Steed Mundus stone + full Divines + liberal use of Stamina pots + w/e else there is in the game for increased speed that's 100% legit. There's also a set that reduces Sprint cost to allow a player to sprint even longer.

Talcyndl · July 2014

Have you reported it?

xMovingTarget · July 2014

inb4 closed for name and shame..

Teargrants · July 2014

DeLindsay wrote: »

Could be a bug/hack or could be the player was in 7-pcs Medium gear with the Athletics passive + Retreating Manuevers + The Steed Mundus stone + full Divines + liberal use of Stamina pots + w/e else there is in the game for increased speed that's 100% legit. There's also a set that reduces Sprint cost to allow a player to sprint even longer.

-He's moving at super speed while doing the impulse animation, so he can't be sprinting at that moment.
-He's attacking while he has super speed, maneuvers breaks on attack.

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO · July 2014

Thats the thing I wrote in the other thread.

They can have such speed with medium armor, steed, skills and so on.
But some people have that speed like going all into speed while having magicka and magickareg like they were going full into magicka and damage mitigation like going full tank.

You can't see clearly that they do hack, but somethings wrong, when some is super fast (steed, medium, skills) spams skills like there is no tomorrow (warlock, syrabane) and uses his ulit every five seconds (dragon, potentates) and heals for incredible high amounts (twilights embrace).

Its like they're combining every possible specialization in one character.

Also can someone check the maths I did in the post above.
He heals for 1821hp in one second. Lets say 1400 if he uses a pot at the same time, which still would be 33% of his total hp, not of his missing hp.

DeLindsay · July 2014

Kirsika wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

Could be a bug/hack or could be the player was in 7-pcs Medium gear with the Athletics passive + Retreating Manuevers + The Steed Mundus stone + full Divines + liberal use of Stamina pots + w/e else there is in the game for increased speed that's 100% legit. There's also a set that reduces Sprint cost to allow a player to sprint even longer.

-He's moving at super speed while doing the impulse animation, so he can't be sprinting at that moment.
-He's attacking while he has super speed, maneuvers breaks on attack.

I watched the entire video at full screen and 1080P and I can barely tell which character you're even referring to. I agree you cannot use abilities while sprinting. You say this person is an Emperor yes? If that is correct then the healing math is off completely unless I misunderstand the passive Monarch in the Emperor tree. Also if you read all the other passives in the tree it's an insane amount of increased everything, probably why he/she doesn't run out of resources.

Also, if this player is in full Legendary of the best type of gear sets specific to the actions he/she is doing while an Emperor in comparison to anyone else they would indeed seem like a god. How the player is going super fast (on your screen, and others) I have no idea, but that doesn't mean they are specifically hacking, cheating or exploiting. Reporting the player for ZoS to investigate is your best and really only option.

DeLindsay · July 2014

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO wrote: »

Thats the thing I wrote in the other thread.

They can have such speed with medium armor, steed, skills and so on.
But some people have that speed like going all into speed while having magicka and magickareg like they were going full into magicka and damage mitigation like going full tank.

You can't see clearly that they do hack, but somethings wrong, when some is super fast (steed, medium, skills) spams skills like there is no tomorrow (warlock, syrabane) and uses his ulit every five seconds (dragon, potentates) and heals for incredible high amounts (twilights embrace).

Its like they're combining every possible specialization in one character.

Also can someone check the maths I did in the post above.
He heals for 1821hp in one second. Lets say 1400 if he uses a pot at the same time, which still would be 33% of his total hp, not of his missing hp.

If you read the passives in Emperor you will understand why your math is off and why an Emperor can very well do the things you say you've seen and is not a hack. I'm not saying this specific players isn't hacking, just saying people's perception of hacking and reality in MMO's is often two different things.

IcyDeadPeople · July 2014

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO wrote: »

Also with his healing there is something wrong:

He has 4233 max hp
he was down to 1429 hp
Dragonblood is 33% of missing health.
4233 - 1429 = 2804 hp missing health
33% of 2804 is 925
1429 + 925 = 2354
still he got up to 3250 in a second, which is 1821hp this is even more than 33% of his max health (33% of 4233 = 1396) its 33% of 5518.

I was able to heal to about 80% or so when I had emperor.

Monarch passive increases your healing an additional 50%, and I was wearing twilight's embrace set, which improves healing 10%, plus Restoration Expert passive rank 2 increases healing by 15% when under 30% health, Restoration Master passive increases healing 5%, and I had spell crit build and combat medic passive. Didn't see if permared was using this or not, but Igneous Shield now increases healing by an additional 30%.

DontBeAfraid · July 2014

Kirsika wrote: »

So, seeing how the EP zerg was feeding hard at Alessia all day long, I went over to check out what was going on. This is what I saw. A certain AD emp running around at seemingly impossible speeds while spamming pulsar and standards. So what I wanna know is, is that just speed buff stacking or something else?

And no it wasn't me lagging, others in zone were commenting on that speed as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uukKp1GnfI4

how can u listen to this music? xD

DontBeAfraid · July 2014

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO wrote: »

Also with his healing there is something wrong:

He has 4233 max hp
he was down to 1429 hp
Dragonblood is 33% of missing health.
4233 - 1429 = 2804 hp missing health
33% of 2804 is 925
1429 + 925 = 2354
still he got up to 3250 in a second, which is 1821hp this is even more than 33% of his max health (33% of 4233 = 1396) its 33% of 5518.

well u can buff the 33% by alot.
emp buff gives u 10% more received healing. twilight embrace set another 10%.
u were close to a keep - so combat medic also stacks on top of this. (isnt that 10%? or even 20% at rank2? not sure about the number)

so the 33% from dragon blood get another 30% boost which would make it ~42%.

DeLindsay · July 2014

DontBeAfraid wrote: »

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO wrote: »

Also with his healing there is something wrong:

He has 4233 max hp
he was down to 1429 hp
Dragonblood is 33% of missing health.
4233 - 1429 = 2804 hp missing health
33% of 2804 is 925
1429 + 925 = 2354
still he got up to 3250 in a second, which is 1821hp this is even more than 33% of his max health (33% of 4233 = 1396) its 33% of 5518.

well u can buff the 33% by alot.
emp buff gives u 10% more received healing. twilight embrace set another 10%.
u were close to a keep - so combat medic also stacks on top of this. (isnt that 10%? or even 20% at rank2? not sure about the number)

so the 33% from dragon blood get another 30% boost which would make it ~42%.

Emperor gives you +50% not 10%.

IcyDeadPeople · July 2014

DontBeAfraid wrote: »

how can u listen to this music? xD

"Let's Fighting Love" soundtrack is pure win

Kiljaz · July 2014

Speed potion + Retreating Manuevers

heng14rwb17_ESO · July 2014

Well this game is xxx.

I find it hard to tell if it is bug , hack or exploitation.

Braidas · July 2014

Manoekin wrote: »

It's a bug. Every now and then if you're lucky enough you can get bugged and run at ridiculous speeds. I've seen it on numerous random people.

Yep, happened to me once. Looked like someone casted maneuvers and then I got hit with a mage rune, but im not really sure. Lets you run ridiculously fast. Only dieing fixed it for me. Im sure it's possible to find out exactly how to do it tho, especially for a certain cheating AD emp...

IKilled007 · July 2014

Hint: Ask your alliance templars if any of them attacked him and if so, using which spell/attack.

DontBeAfraid · July 2014

DeLindsay wrote: »

DontBeAfraid wrote: »

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO wrote: »

Also with his healing there is something wrong:

He has 4233 max hp
he was down to 1429 hp
Dragonblood is 33% of missing health.
4233 - 1429 = 2804 hp missing health
33% of 2804 is 925
1429 + 925 = 2354
still he got up to 3250 in a second, which is 1821hp this is even more than 33% of his max health (33% of 4233 = 1396) its 33% of 5518.

well u can buff the 33% by alot.
emp buff gives u 10% more received healing. twilight embrace set another 10%.
u were close to a keep - so combat medic also stacks on top of this. (isnt that 10%? or even 20% at rank2? not sure about the number)

so the 33% from dragon blood get another 30% boost which would make it ~42%.

Emperor gives you +50% not 10%.

oh sorry, u are right. been a while ive been emp the last time :-)
thx for correcting.

Morticielle · July 2014

There is a bug which makes people run very fast. One of my guildmates had this bug and ran with ridiculous speed through Cyrodiil. Relogging or restart of the game did not change anything. He reported this bug immediately, because he was afraid he would be accused of exploiting. Eventually the problem was solved.

I'm shure that some people would not report it, but would exploit it.

Dleatherus · July 2014

i think that there are two things at issue here

1) there are legitimate ways to build your character and stack speed buffs on them to make them very fast compared to other 'normal players'

2) occasionally an insane speed bug will 'contaminate' a player - last night it happened to one of our group members when he was breaking out of a knockdown
- they could zip around the map at hilariously ridiculous speeds that made the players using stacking speed buffs look like snails

it was /bug reported and though the member stayed in our group for a whiles, he was asked, and did not, perform any dps based abilities on the enemy

D.

Teargrants · July 2014

Yah, most definitely seems to be a bug regarding knockdown break, as I found here.

TheBull · July 2014

Yeah man, I almost recording him a couple weeks ago. I saw him come out and move to and from 6 targets over a 40 meter spread, and kill all of them in about 4 secs.. Sounds crazy huh?

All I got was the last part with one of my group members saying "Am I the only one who saw that? omg"

Fastest DK ever...

Tintinabula · July 2014

Its definitely a bug. Its random. I got it tonight while taking a resource..I logged out because of fps and logged back in to god mode. Your health and mana and stamina deplete at extremely slow speeds and you're super fast. Only way to get rid of it is to die.(your attack speeds are stupid fast too)