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Was I at fault?
UnholyPerfection
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G’day guys,
I was recently in the market for a level 44 Purple health glyph so I asked the zone chat for an enchanter of that level. I got a reply from someone saying ‘what do you want?’, so I told them exactly what I wanted, 10min later I get a reply saying ‘That’s 4.5k’ to which I responded sorry mate I can’t afford that, the response I received was ‘Are you f#^&ing serious!? I’ve already made it!’
I even offered to trade him the appropriate runes and give him 1k for his time. After 4-5 more abusive messages about how ‘I should f#^&ing know the price of things before I ask for them’ and threats of him reporting me I just ignored him.
Now I’m making level1-V12 6/8 green, blue and purple Blacksmith gear for people at the moment of all styles and many various different traits and I always double check the order and tell them the price (And add the total up of multiple pieces) before I start crafting so they know exactly what they’re getting and how much it will cost
Although either way I didn’t deserve the abuse I received, was I in the wrong for not paying the amount he asked?
Edited by UnholyPerfection on July 5, 2014 12:12AM I was recently in the market for a level 44 Purple health glyph so I asked the zone chat for an enchanter of that level. I got a reply from someone saying ‘what do you want?’, so I told them exactly what I wanted, 10min later I get a reply saying ‘That’s 4.5k’ to which I responded sorry mate I can’t afford that, the response I received was ‘Are you f#^&ing serious!? I’ve already made it!’
I even offered to trade him the appropriate runes and give him 1k for his time. After 4-5 more abusive messages about how ‘I should f#^&ing know the price of things before I ask for them’ and threats of him reporting me I just ignored him.
Now I’m making level1-V12 6/8 green, blue and purple Blacksmith gear for people at the moment of all styles and many various different traits and I always double check the order and tell them the price (And add the total up of multiple pieces) before I start crafting so they know exactly what they’re getting and how much it will cost
Although either way I didn’t deserve the abuse I received, was I in the wrong for not paying the amount he asked?
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ers101284b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UnholyPerfection wrote: »G’day guys,
I was recently in the market for a level 44 Purple health glyph so I asked the zone chat for an enchanter of that level. I got a reply from someone saying ‘what do you want?’, so I told them exactly what I wanted, 10min later I get a reply saying ‘That’s 4.5k’ to which I responded sorry mate I can’t afford that, the response I received was ‘Are you f#^&ing serious!? I’ve already made it!’
I even offered to trade him the appropriate runes and give him 1k for his time. After 4-5 more abusive messages about how ‘I should f#^&ing know the price of things before I ask for them’ and threats of him reporting me I just ignored him.
Now I’m making level1-V12 6/8 green, blue and purple Blacksmith gear for people at the moment of all styles and many different traits and I always double check the order and tell them the price (And add the total up of multiple pieces) before I start crafting so they know exactly what they’re getting and how much it will cost
Although either way I didn’t deserve the abuse I received, was I in the wrong for not paying the amount he asked?
It's his fault for making it. It's your fault for breathing. These things happen. But no it's not your fault. You didn't give him the go ahead, you didn't tell him to make it, you just asked how much. You priced checked and there is nothing wrong with that.Edited by ers101284b14_ESO on July 5, 2014 12:11AM13 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭His fault.
In a technical sense you never accepted his offer - your request was an invite to others to make an offer . He messed up.
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭the price needs to be set first, its his fault.
I have people asking 2k for a glyph I can buy from vendor for 250.
I know the enchanting is a real pain to level, but some people asking for price that make it unsellable.6 -
Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭UnholyPerfection wrote: »G’day guys,
I was recently in the market for a level 44 Purple health glyph so I asked the zone chat for an enchanter of that level. I got a reply from someone saying ‘what do you want?’, so I told them exactly what I wanted, 10min later I get a reply saying ‘That’s 4.5k’ to which I responded sorry mate I can’t afford that, the response I received was ‘Are you f#^&ing serious!? I’ve already made it!’
I even offered to trade him the appropriate runes and give him 1k for his time. After 4-5 more abusive messages about how ‘I should f#^&ing know the price of things before I ask for them’ and threats of him reporting me I just ignored him.
Now I’m making level1-V12 6/8 green, blue and purple Blacksmith gear for people at the moment of all styles and many various different traits and I always double check the order and tell them the price (And add the total up of multiple pieces) before I start crafting so they know exactly what they’re getting and how much it will cost
Although either way I didn’t deserve the abuse I received, was I in the wrong for not paying the amount he asked?
Of course it's your fault.
You should know the future.
You should know exactly what everyone else is thinking at all times.
And by all means, you made me that guy make an item without letting him tell you what a high price he was going to charge you.
This is just common sense.
How dare you waste my HIS, I mean his time!Edited by Blackwidow on July 5, 2014 12:22AM11 -
traigusb14_ESO2✭✭✭✭✭Maybe a little bit of both. As far as I know there are no standard prices.
I had a similar issue the other day, though I did have the money, I thought he was overpriced, and would not have bought if I had known beforehand what he was charging.
The guy had been spamming craiglorn for 30 mins before I logged in, so I missed his prices, and he thought they were out there and everyone knew. I must have just missed a spam as I logged in, and it looked to him that I was replying to his spam. Misunderstanding.
He would have kept the rune and resold, but it was a popular one (weapon fire) so he really wasn't put out much by making it.
Not the same guy probably.
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✭If I had to guess I bet he has done this to other people and gotten some over priced sales from doing it. People have no shame online.[DC/NA]3 -
METALPUNKS✭✭✭I've had people do this exact same thing. Difference is I was trying to pm the person about a price and he didn't respond. Then he gets back to me and says it's made and he cod it to me for some crazy price. I just hit return and ignored him.1 -
reggielee✭✭✭✭no, both of you were wrong to not mention price. however he was being an idiot as he can still sell that rune at the store regardlessMama always said the fastest way to a man's heart is through his chest.0 -
themizario✭✭✭UnholyPerfection wrote: »G’day guys,
I was recently in the market for a level 44 Purple health glyph so I asked the zone chat for an enchanter of that level. I got a reply from someone saying ‘what do you want?’, so I told them exactly what I wanted, 10min later I get a reply saying ‘That’s 4.5k’ to which I responded sorry mate I can’t afford that, the response I received was ‘Are you f#^&ing serious!? I’ve already made it!’
I even offered to trade him the appropriate runes and give him 1k for his time. After 4-5 more abusive messages about how ‘I should f#^&ing know the price of things before I ask for them’ and threats of him reporting me I just ignored him.
Now I’m making level1-V12 6/8 green, blue and purple Blacksmith gear for people at the moment of all styles and many various different traits and I always double check the order and tell them the price (And add the total up of multiple pieces) before I start crafting so they know exactly what they’re getting and how much it will cost
Although either way I didn’t deserve the abuse I received, was I in the wrong for not paying the amount he asked?
I made that rune for you and then you say it's too expensive! Give me a break, prices are the same everywhere! Don't act stupid. Everyone in this forum back me up.
^what I imagine the seller would sound like if he was posting a reply here
On another note, saw someone looking to buy rekuta, I whispered the player if they needed denata or jejota. I had been questing for a couple hours and acquired about 3 of each and was going to let him have it for free. His response was. What are fing stupid I said REKUTA. So then in zone I typed free denata or jejota to a happy home.
Some people are real d-bags. Don't let it get to you6 -
dracobains_ESO✭✭✭If anyone constructs an item without a set price and the deal doesn't come through, the loss is on them. When I ask for an item I always get a price right up front. If I make an item for someone else and I don't set a price I generally accept whatever tip they offer. Some low-ball and some are more than fair. Everyone is happy and all is well with the world.IRONCLAD of Ebonheart Pact
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Evergnar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Completely his fault. Shouldn't have made it first. On top of that he was actually dumb enough to tell you he had already made it meaning you had him by the you know what (even if unintentionally). Hope he doesn't ever go into business for himself or he will starve.Edited by Evergnar on July 5, 2014 3:42AM1 -
KitLightning✭✭✭✭Somehow I suspect the one creating the glyph, in advance without a proper agreement, for wearing one of these fancy t-shirts
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ExiledKhallisi✭✭✭✭✭There is an absurd abundance of people in this game who will rip you off. Espe I ally enchanters. Take the losers charging 4-6k for legendary in chants...you can buy Kuta for 800-1000g.... they are asking for a near 400%-600% profit margin..
Lol!
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Soloeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭UnholyPerfection wrote: »G’day guys,
I was recently in the market for a level 44 Purple health glyph so I asked the zone chat for an enchanter of that level. I got a reply from someone saying ‘what do you want?’, so I told them exactly what I wanted, 10min later I get a reply saying ‘That’s 4.5k’ to which I responded sorry mate I can’t afford that, the response I received was ‘Are you f#^&ing serious!? I’ve already made it!’
I even offered to trade him the appropriate runes and give him 1k for his time. After 4-5 more abusive messages about how ‘I should f#^&ing know the price of things before I ask for them’ and threats of him reporting me I just ignored him.
Now I’m making level1-V12 6/8 green, blue and purple Blacksmith gear for people at the moment of all styles and many various different traits and I always double check the order and tell them the price (And add the total up of multiple pieces) before I start crafting so they know exactly what they’re getting and how much it will cost
Although either way I didn’t deserve the abuse I received, was I in the wrong for not paying the amount he asked?
You were in the right. When he gave that price I would tell him to shove it.
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Svann✭✭✭He was trolling you. There is no way that prices are standardized to that degree he was implying.1
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nudel✭✭✭✭✭It's his fault. I've been a max enchanter for awhile now and I always always confirm the prices and the exact order before crafting. My first question typically is along the lines of what level is the item you are putting it on. If it's a jewelry glyph, can you link me the jewelry so I can make sure it can be enchanted.
There is no consensus on the value of crafted items. I'm of the mind that a crafter can charge whatever they want for an item since it's custom made. A buyer also has the right to decide they don't like that particular crafter's prices and take their business elsewhere. You just ran into a derphead.
By the way, if you're still looking for that enchant, I can make it for you for far less.0 -
UnholyPerfection✭✭✭If I had to guess I bet he has done this to other people and gotten some over priced sales from doing it. People have no shame online.
Yeah I agree. First he tried to guilt me into into buying it then bully me into buying it. People being aggressive (especially online lol) don't really bother me, I was just surprised how he made assumptions then got angry and abusive so fast.0 -
KariTR✭✭✭✭✭ExiledKhallisi wrote: »There is an absurd abundance of people in this game who will rip you off. Espe I ally enchanters. Take the losers charging 4-6k for legendary in chants...you can buy Kuta for 800-1000g.... they are asking for a near 400%-600% profit margin..
Lol!
You need a purple an chant? I'll do it for free. Msg me in game.
I don't enchant, but are you sure you have that right? I have never seen Kuta's less that 3k in a WTS shout and occasionally 2k for a WTB.
I think I have collected 5 in 3+ months of playing.3 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I usually link and confirm twice before making anything. It was their fault not yours.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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indytims_ESO✭✭✭✭You are not at fault.
And I'd love to see him 'report' you. That's the biggest LOL out of it all.
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jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭That's quite funny, message him again asking if he's still making glyphs.
I have a couple of people who I regular message who I've met in game. Some people are made to rile.Edited by jelliedsoup on July 5, 2014 6:38AMwww.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO42 -
Sue_D_Nim✭✭✭UnholyPerfection wrote: »Although either way I didn’t deserve the abuse I received, was I in the wrong for not paying the amount he asked?
Absolutely not. You and the seller had not yet even discussed the terms of the sale, let alone made a verbal contract. You owe him nothing. He should have quoted you a price; that's the seller's responsibility in the real world, too. After that can come the negotiations; the bargaining. At the very least he could have said, "I can make that for you," giving you a chance to respond with a price query.
[edit] I hope he's reading this thread.
Edited by Sue_D_Nim on July 5, 2014 7:51AM"If danger doesn't find her, she'll seek it out and invite it home to dinner." ~ Prince Naemon
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Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭Obviously the other persons fault for expecting you to pay a price without first setting it. Your average /zone buyer does not go to a meal and eat then ask how much. Or buy a home, move in then ask how much.
This is a learning curve for that player. A life lesson so to speak. They are mad at themselves for expecting you to pay what they wanted, not the value or agreed price as nothing was discussed.1 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Never do anything until the price is set (preferably in writing). You wouldn't take a job without asking, at some point, what the wage/salary is, right? His fault, and he can can still sell/use the item.
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nudel✭✭✭✭✭ExiledKhallisi wrote: »There is an absurd abundance of people in this game who will rip you off. Espe I ally enchanters. Take the losers charging 4-6k for legendary in chants...you can buy Kuta for 800-1000g.... they are asking for a near 400%-600% profit margin..
Lol!
You need a purple an chant? I'll do it for free. Msg me in game.
I don't enchant, but are you sure you have that right? I have never seen Kuta's less that 3k in a WTS shout and occasionally 2k for a WTB.
I think I have collected 5 in 3+ months of playing.
The reason they're listed as 2k in WTB is because the people listing it are buyers. They're trying to rip off lowbies by getting cheap mats. Generally the people looking to buy a sling of rare mats have slashed the average prices by a lot. Let's use Kuta history as an example.
At early access and launch, Kuta were selling for 1.5k - 2k in VR zones. Many high levels consequently came down to the lvl 5-15 zones to buy them for 1k, which sounds like a lot to a lowbie.
By the second month, Kuta were selling for around 2k - 2.5k in VR zones. So buyers in lower zones spammed WTB Kuta 1.5k.
Now Kuta sell for 3k - 3.5k. What do buyers spam in lower zones? WTB Kuta 2k each.
A month ago 2k for Kuta was average. Now it's a bargain.3
