Molag Bal. Heh.

PSLAnimal · July 2014

So. End of the main arc, the big baddie, Molag Bal. I took him on with a VR1 Templar, level 46-50 heavy armor, two-handed with a level 46 blue Greatsword.

Thumbnail: My Templar made Molag Bal cry like a little B-word. It took maybe five minutes.

Aren't Templars supposed to be broken? Isn't Molag Bal supposed to be a big bad*ss, the prime enemy, the toughest opponent our heroes will face?

The key seemed obvious: Stay behind him. His cone attacks are always to the front, the meteor attacks are telegraphed well in advance and easy to dodge. When he summoned his army of daedra I blocked and let them kill themselves. I stayed behind Moe, hacked and slashed, my health never went below 80%.

When it comes to Moe, as Alan Quatermain once said, "I'm waiting to be impressed." Mannimarco was much harder. Sinmur was much harder.

Thoughts?

Tonturri · July 2014

Agreed. It was quite a disappointing fight, difficulty wise. I was also quite surprised to find that...he really didn't do much. Summoning ads was about the most interesting thing he did. Other than that...I remember he had maybe two other abilities? Maybe? The fight felt very basic,

kimboh · July 2014

Yep, I've read a lot of complaints that he's too hard and even people giving up after 30 attempts!
I've beat him three times now, each time on the first attempt and honestly I found it pretty easy, just keep moving, spam light attacks and don't stand in the red.

traigusb14_ESO2 · July 2014

Well you are supergodbuffed...

There is a very sudden skill disconnect.

You don't really fight him with your character build...as said, easiest to just light attack him to death because of your massive power.

People that actually try to fight him with their buttons tend to lose.

pinstripesc · July 2014

Yeah, you've gotta keep in mind you're like. Godish.

Nidwin · July 2014

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

Well you are supergodbuffed...

There is a very sudden skill disconnect.

You don't really fight him with your character build...as said, easiest to just light attack him to death because of your massive power.

People that actually try to fight him with their buttons tend to lose.

That's the mistake that I made for 5 hours against him.
After that I just thought "screw this" going to just light/heavy attack him from distance with my resto staff with a dot here and there.

Sometimes you've to learn it the hard way.

Rylana · July 2014

Now if only I could get back that hole through the wall attack for moving around running into the random elder scrolls mountains everywhere >__>

Mykaah · July 2014

I agree that Mannimarco was much harder than Mogal Bal. My heart was pounding when I first came face to face with him but very shortly after the fight began, I knew I was going to beat him. Took about five minutes and he was down.

BugCollector · July 2014

Game mechanics. Molag Bal lore wise is much much tougher.

yelloweyedemon · July 2014

No solo content is hard if you play well. People that got wiped 30-50 times are doing it terribly wrong.

BugCollector wrote: »

Game mechanics. Molag Bal lore wise is much much tougher.

Not when you have the power of Akatosh at your side... We've seen how it went with Martin Vs Dagon...

SBR_QuorTek · July 2014

Molag Bal is easy... compared to alot of other stuff, but well it is not bad either.. you fought all this bad stuff all on the way up to him... for then having an 'easier' fight

MeowGinger · July 2014

I was expecting a challenge since a lot of people said they had difficulty. But I felt like a god...

And this was before templars were buffed, too...

david271749 · July 2014

I beat him with a bow. All ranged attacks and roll dodged when he does that divebomb thing. I didn't die once.

Mannimarco had much harder fights. I let him go before I fought Molag Bal. I figured he would turn and help me. Nope. Just ran away saying I'd one day regret letting him go. Does anybody know if he comes back in VR storyine or is that just another pointless decision you have to make in this game?

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2014

Ok put on your earmuffs if you don't want spoilers, but I felt the need to reply to this.

Don't you people get it? What happened at the end of Oblivion? What happened when you went to take on Molag Bal? Does it occur to you that perhaps there is more in common with the player character hero and Martin Septim? Don't you find it interesting that Meridia waited for you before launching an attack against Molag Bal? Don't you find it interesting that it is YOU that fights Molag Bal? Even more interesting these skyshards are a manifestation of Akatosh, upon the summoned effort of the Prophet. You use the Amulet of Kings. You. I'm going to argue that as the player, in that moment at that time you are in fact Dragonborn, and the only reason you don't die is that someone else does. Notice the Aedric weapons that you attack with? The Aedric fire?

Either way it is a fun fight and I quite enjoyed it.

Hilgara · July 2014

There is still a small percentage of people who cant get past MB. What worries me is that even after the announced changes they still won't be happy.

1. They will come here and complain.
2. Vet content will still be empty.
3. ZOS conclude that it must be because its still too difficult
4. ZOS nerf difficulty.
6. go to 1.

I think you are fixing the wrong thing but if the vet zones suddenly become a hive of activity next week then I am prepared to swallow my words....

But we all know they wont.

boony · July 2014

I've only fought him once so far (Sorcerer) and it took around 12-13 dies before being successful, that was around update 1 and initially it was bugged and I could not get released from his hand.

I'm close to fighting him again, with a Templar this time, so hopefully I've learnt by mistakes lol

I defeated Mannimarco 1st time around with the Sorcerer (love those summoned creatures). Took me 3-4 attempts with Templar.

To be honest I wouldn't want it much harder as I don't think you can progress to the Vet areas until it is completed.

SteveCampsOut · July 2014

Hilgara wrote: »

There is still a small percentage of people who cant get past MB. What worries me is that even after the announced changes they still won't be happy.

1. They will come here and complain.

As one of those people who couldn't get past MB for over 24 hours, til I got the right advice and skills needed from a Respec, I just have to say. Stop bitching about those who are having problems and feckin' HELP THEM! Give them advice, skill tips, whatever it takes. But if you're just here to complain about them, you're no better than they are for complaining about MB. Sometimes it just takes a helping hand and some sound advice.

isengrimb16_ESO · July 2014

Got him on a bow, one death (and I usually need one on complicated fights just to see how the mechanics work at a practical level). Lots of running and roll-dodging, learned to save stamina.

I expect it to be a little more challenging on a melee DK, but probably not that much with magicka dots and AOEs.

Pangnirtung · July 2014

I re-rolled a few weeks back. My original was Nightblade. Molag Bol was a nightmare with that character. I lost count of the number of times that I died to him.

My Dragonknight had steamrolled through all the main quest content and I was only left with Molag before continuing on with Cadwells Silver.

First try with Molag in under five minutes and I had finished him. He was incredibly easy with a staff wielding character unlike my stamina based NB.

So for those who boast about how easy he was consider that it might not be that you're such a great player but that you have a toon that the boss is vulnerable to.

NB's are still lopsidedly weak and when I play him to get mats in the VR levels I remember how much more challenging he is than the Dragonknight.

Xnemesis · July 2014

I would normally say, uhh grats on finishing the tutorial and welcome to vet content, but they are nerfing it today so...welcome to some more of the same minus the challenge.

C0deM0nkey_ESO · July 2014

My experience was similar. V1 DK, took him down first time in under 5 mins. Turned on Green Dragon Blood (just in case) and hacked and whacked him to death with a 2h'er since my spells were no use.

I figured, eh... it's a storyline thing, no biggie. Similar to Skyrim, where by the time you fight Alduin, if you're around level 50, he's kind of a pushover too.

I think a bigger letdown for me was that I really wanted to keep the look of that morphed armor the game skinned to my char when I got the amulet's blessing. That was sweet looking gear. I didn't want to keep the OP invicibility, mind you... just keep my regular armor, but morph it permanently with the look of that gear. When my armor returned to normal, I actually said "Awwww!!!" out loud. XD

Decimus_Rex · July 2014

PSLAnimal wrote: »

So. End of the main arc, the big baddie, Molag Bal. I took him on with a VR1 Templar, level 46-50 heavy armor, two-handed with a level 46 blue Greatsword.

Thumbnail: My Templar made Molag Bal cry like a little B-word. It took maybe five minutes.

Aren't Templars supposed to be broken? Isn't Molag Bal supposed to be a big bad*ss, the prime enemy, the toughest opponent our heroes will face?

The key seemed obvious: Stay behind him. His cone attacks are always to the front, the meteor attacks are telegraphed well in advance and easy to dodge. When he summoned his army of daedra I blocked and let them kill themselves. I stayed behind Moe, hacked and slashed, my health never went below 80%.

When it comes to Moe, as Alan Quatermain once said, "I'm waiting to be impressed." Mannimarco was much harder. Sinmur was much harder.

Thoughts?

Try it as a stage 4 vampire, dual wielding NightBlade with a all green gear and no potions or food buffs.

That will show you the meaning of one mistake means instadeath

Lord_Draevan · July 2014

My Siphoning/Bow/Medium Armor NB just ran around in circles shooting him. Never used a potion, never went below 75% health.
At least my Two-Handed DK need to use a few potions in that fight. Still did it in one shot though, I was a tad disappointed.

Dekkameron · July 2014

Molag Bal is somewhat of a joke against nightblades as Strife/soul siphon essentially makes you invulnerable as it ticks for so much with your new found Aedric powers.

Sir_Hyperion · July 2014

Mob of skeevers> Molag Bal...

Haewk · July 2014

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

Got him on a bow, one death (and I usually need one on complicated fights just to see how the mechanics work at a practical level). Lots of running and roll-dodging, learned to save stamina.

I expect it to be a little more challenging on a melee DK, but probably not that much with magicka dots and AOEs.

2H DK with full Heavy Armor. I think I got him 1st or 2nd time. Was not very difficult. Go to range to regen. Keep moving. Charge back in and whack him when you can. I think one of the abilities he does is a long channel if I recall correctly and then you have a nice window for meleeing him.

eventHandler · July 2014

The people who have trouble on that fight are not used to using block. You can deflect almost everything, aside from the artillery at the opening. I doubt anyone who uses 1h+sword ever found it difficult, because its natural instinct to block. And since you have a magick super shield of divine light, no matter what weapon you are using... this big glowing gold forcefield that surrounds you when you hold right click... and reflects damage back to things so they kill themselves... its not a hard fight. It's an awesome fight though. I wish I could redo it without making alts.

If you talk to the people more, they tell you that Akatosh is the avatar of Invulnerability (among other things). So they are basically telling you that you will be invincible if you use the power he gives you. Too bad most people don't talk to the NPCs when they don't have quest markers, or listen to the ones that do.

Seriously, the Titans will kill themselves and Molag Bal's ranged attacks go back to hit him if you just block (and his melee attacks do basically no damage if blocked). Just don't stand in big round circles of red death... as always... Only two things cause them, the opening artillery fire and his jumps during the actual fight. And the jumps don't hurt that much. Artillery is one shot even with the shield up, but that stops before you get to the fight.

Nozfardu · July 2014

easiest mob in the game.
With the greater damage output just used swallow soul with nb and crit surge on sorc. Healing i was getting was insane as they both heal based on damage you do.
Was dissapointed at how easy it was to beat a daedric prince...

fried_funk · July 2014

Speaking of 1-50 bosses, I've had much more trouble with Fildgor than with MB or Mannimarco (I'm a dual wield/bow NB)...but that was about 2 months ago, dunno if they nerfed him (Fildgor) too, in the meantime...

Cody · July 2014

I died countless time with my NB archer, but then just tried strife and I could beat him VERY easily. lol

Moonclaw · July 2014

Was sweating when I was coming up to the fight with my nightblade - but fight was very easy - I never went below 80% health..... Ranged attacks, health leeching strife attacks, magnum *** to boost backwards and rolling... and fighters guild silver shards.. I agree Manimarco was harder.