How long do you think it will take...

nerevarine1138 · July 2014

...for people to start complaining about VR content being too easy after the update?

I'm betting on 30 minutes post-update.

Kulthax · July 2014

It is human nature to complain. More specifically it is in our nature because of our culture here in the United States. Like I stated in another thread, the issues that are complained about here equate to first world problems. Not really something to get extremely worked up about but people do. I think the solution is to just keep on keepin on.

Skwor · July 2014

As was said, people will always complain. All we can do is determine the validity of the issue and give it the due consideration it warrants.

Madval · July 2014

It's not a tumor !

Armianlee · July 2014

I just went and looked back at the polls about vet difficulty, and it seems more people enjoyed it right where it was. However, it seems they listen (ZOS) to the ones who squeak the loudest and not what the actual majority have to say. I bet there will be a fair amount of people come next Monday in here complaining that it nothing but a facerolling roflstomping time now.

I really wish they could have some sort of instancing with difficulty. The people who played Skyrim on Barney the Dinosaur mode can have fun at an easier difficulty, people like me who played at Master and Legendary the whole time can enjoy being challenged by our games. I found 1-49 boring because it was so damned easy.

That all said, I am okay with the change, as long as it turns out to be a middle ground sort of change as they are saying. I'd like to see others making their way through VR zones, though the day this game becomes a handholding, WoW difficulty, facerolling borefest, I will be cancelling.

Lord_Draevan · July 2014

Kulthax wrote: »

It is human nature to complain. More specifically it is in our nature because of our culture here in the United States. Like I stated in another thread, the issues that are complained about here equate to first world problems. Not really something to get extremely worked up about but people do. I think the solution is to just keep on keepin on.

But but... I'm Canadian

Oh wait, I don't complain on the forums... By God, you're right!

Kulthax · July 2014

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Kulthax wrote: »

It is human nature to complain. More specifically it is in our nature because of our culture here in the United States. Like I stated in another thread, the issues that are complained about here equate to first world problems. Not really something to get extremely worked up about but people do. I think the solution is to just keep on keepin on.

But but... I'm Canadian
Oh wait, I don't complain on the forums... By God, you're right!

Being born Canadian is not your fault.

j/k

R1ckyDaMan · July 2014

Armianlee wrote: »

I just went and looked back at the polls about vet difficulty, and it seems more people enjoyed it right where it was. However, it seems they listen (ZOS) to the ones who squeak the loudest and not what the actual majority have to say. I bet there will be a fair amount of people come next Monday in here complaining that it nothing but a facerolling roflstomping time now.

I really wish they could have some sort of instancing with difficulty. The people who played Skyrim on Barney the Dinosaur mode can have fun at an easier difficulty, people like me who played at Master and Legendary the whole time can enjoy being challenged by our games. I found 1-49 boring because it was so damned easy.

That all said, I am okay with the change, as long as it turns out to be a middle ground sort of change as they are saying. I'd like to see others making their way through VR zones, though the day this game becomes a handholding, WoW difficulty, facerolling borefest, I will be cancelling.

Maybe just maybe they looked at sub figures too?

WebBull · July 2014

People will complain but the end result is that it will bring people back to the game which is desperately needed.
Now just fix PvP.

Gedalya · July 2014

Where have they stated they will be nerfing veteran content?

Armianlee · July 2014

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

Armianlee wrote: »

I just went and looked back at the polls about vet difficulty, and it seems more people enjoyed it right where it was. However, it seems they listen (ZOS) to the ones who squeak the loudest and not what the actual majority have to say. I bet there will be a fair amount of people come next Monday in here complaining that it nothing but a facerolling roflstomping time now.

I really wish they could have some sort of instancing with difficulty. The people who played Skyrim on Barney the Dinosaur mode can have fun at an easier difficulty, people like me who played at Master and Legendary the whole time can enjoy being challenged by our games. I found 1-49 boring because it was so damned easy.

That all said, I am okay with the change, as long as it turns out to be a middle ground sort of change as they are saying. I'd like to see others making their way through VR zones, though the day this game becomes a handholding, WoW difficulty, facerolling borefest, I will be cancelling.

Maybe just maybe they looked at sub figures too?

There are far more things that could be pulled from sub figures going down, like lack of end game, glaring issues with the UI, action houses, summer time so on and so forth. You can come in and say they are leaving because of vet difficulty, but then we can also say it is because of bugs, or the incompetence Zeni has shown time and time again. The only real thing we do have that gives us an idea (not proof positive mind you) are the polls, where in some of them 80% have said it is fine. Most other polls (auction house, bugs) have a larger base the other way.

However, if that is really all you took out of that post you really didn't read it.

jelliedsoup · July 2014

Dbl post

jelliedsoup · July 2014

I prefer a challenge, (I played dark souls) but I like one I think I can do. Some vr bosses are too powerful for my med armoured nb. I'm sure there are plenty of builds able to complete many bosses solo. Balance is always going to be tricky....

*"edit, of course there are those who possess superior everything, who find anything a breeze, this post is not diminishing your superiority in any way, so please don't see this post as anything but further proof of your proclaimed brilliance. $:\$

ShedsHisTail · July 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

...for people to start complaining about VR content being too easy after the update?

I'm betting on 30 minutes post-update.

Dude, they've already started.

MongooseOne · July 2014

If they reduce difficulty of VR on the same scale they did Mannimarco,Doshia and Gutripper. I will be very disappointed.

Instead of nerfing content they should have balanced weapon sets inline with staff sets,that way melee characters would not have been screaming how hard VR is. If they do finally balance the weapon sets then those same people will be bored with the now cheesy VR.

I just don't get why people want games so easy....and don't say I'm some leet player....I'm 45 and half blind....

Audigy · July 2014

WebBull wrote: »

People will complain but the end result is that it will bring people back to the game which is desperately needed.
Now just fix PvP.

Do you realize that WOW lost 6 million subs during the process of dumping down the game?

Removing content from an MMO does not bring people back, it does drive people away

I don't know how easy VR zones will be made, but if they say "solo" then I assume very easy, especially if you group up.
To group at WOW was a nightmare, as you couldn't even fight a mob as all your spells didn't go through due the fact that your team mate already killed the mob. As a healer you were constantly bored, as a tank not needed - this is horrible and I am afraid the same way ZO is going with that change.

More and more people will stop playing tank and heal, more and more people will reach VR 12 and then complain about the lack of content as all the content that there is requires a group and where to find that group if you didn't meet anyone during your quest journey?

Besides that the community will turn hostile as nobody needs anyone anymore...

The change is very bad, its the first time in months that I am honestly worried about the future of ESO and I believe many are who went through the nightmare that WOW has become to.

Daddybigtime · July 2014

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

...for people to start complaining about VR content being too easy after the update?

I'm betting on 30 minutes post-update.

Dude, they've already started.

This it happened on on the first reply when someone said they were changing Vet content. In fact I think I'm the one who posted it might become too easy!!lol

AngryWolf · July 2014

I'm think less than 10 minutes..but there is no point in that now as people are complaining already.

Maotti · July 2014

VR content is too hard, people complain!

The devs tones down VR content, people also complains!

You're damned if you do, damned if you don't i guess.

ers101284b14_ESO · July 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

...for people to start complaining about VR content being too easy after the update?

I'm betting on 30 minutes post-update.

5 minutes after it was posted.

circilion · July 2014

Maotti_Nor wrote: »

VR content is too hard, people complain!

The devs tones down VR content, people also complains!

You're damned if you do, damned if you don't i guess.

haha, all that matters is that the majority of players find the game playable. The elitist minority that dump huge amounts of time into the game, and also have decent latency need a struggling underclass to feel justified in their wasted lives.

a narrow-minded post, but I bet its closer to the mark than not.

badmojo · July 2014

My guess is there will be double or triple the amount of complaints about this nerf than there was about VR being too hard.

Think about it, LOTS of people don't visit forums, especially forums like these. But, when they have something to complain about, they'll come in hoards.

Lots of the people who enjoy the difficulty are probably too busy playing the game to even know about this announcement.

Even on these forums with all the complining about VR, the poll on the first page is 60/40 saying VR is fine.

Expect complaining, lots of it. I'll be right there complaining along with everyone else, I already am.

AelyinESO · July 2014

Complains will be everywhere, anytime in LOOP mode, so don't waste your time listening to all.

Everybody is trying to make the game better, but we can't make Trojans and Greeks happy.

It's just human-nature. Some people like difficult others not, so need to be at middle.

Lord_Hev · July 2014

The worst they can possibly do, is bring all VR to lvl 50 Coldharbour stats... which is good. Even at VR 12, Coldharbour mobs can kill you.

VR 1 - 5 will likely start out lvl 45 - 50 general stats... then slowly rise by a small % as VR increases.

Jade_Knightblazerb14_ESO · July 2014

Lord_Hev wrote: »

The worst they can possibly do, is bring all VR to lvl 50 Coldharbour stats... which is good. Even at VR 12, Coldharbour mobs can kill you.

VR 1 - 5 will likely start out lvl 45 - 50 general stats... then slowly rise by a small % as VR increases.

Hope not, that is way too much of a nerf and I can't see myself Vet leveling in 2 more zones with that faceroll boredom.

Bloodfang · July 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

...for people to start complaining about VR content being too easy after the update?

I'm betting on 30 minutes post-update.

Firstly I'd like to say I supported the need for VR to be toned down, but that doesn't mean at the expense of everyone that likes it the way it is now.

I'm already complaining, nerfing difficulty down a bit is by no means a middle ground to me.

I was supporting only one reasonable idea - make 2 difficulty options - normal / hard.

Tabbycat · July 2014

Last threads I saw were of people complaining no one was in the VR faction zones because they were all farming in Craglorn.

Lord_Hev · July 2014

Jade_Knightblazerb14_ESO wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

The worst they can possibly do, is bring all VR to lvl 50 Coldharbour stats... which is good. Even at VR 12, Coldharbour mobs can kill you.

VR 1 - 5 will likely start out lvl 45 - 50 general stats... then slowly rise by a small % as VR increases.

Hope not, that is way too much of a nerf and I can't see myself Vet leveling in 2 more zones with that faceroll boredom.

Ok, then go to Craglorn.

nerevarine1138 · July 2014

Despair9 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

...for people to start complaining about VR content being too easy after the update?

I'm betting on 30 minutes post-update.

Firstly I'd like to say I supported the need for VR to be toned down, but that doesn't mean at the expense of everyone that likes it the way it is now.

I'm already complaining, nerfing difficulty down a bit is by no means a middle ground to me.

I was supporting only one reasonable idea - make 2 difficulty options - normal / hard.

You know that difficulty in an MMO can't be variable, right?

Or were you actually advocating that they create another instanced VR zone specifically for people who wanted it easier?

Armianlee · July 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Despair9 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

...for people to start complaining about VR content being too easy after the update?

I'm betting on 30 minutes post-update.

Firstly I'd like to say I supported the need for VR to be toned down, but that doesn't mean at the expense of everyone that likes it the way it is now.

I'm already complaining, nerfing difficulty down a bit is by no means a middle ground to me.

I was supporting only one reasonable idea - make 2 difficulty options - normal / hard.

You know that difficulty in an MMO can't be variable, right?

Or were you actually advocating that they create another instanced VR zone specifically for people who wanted it easier?

IMO I'd think that would be the best way. There really isn't much to make both camps happy.

Guys in another thread are suggesting that people who think it is perfect as is drop armour etc... lol. Yeah, all that stuff that people worked hard to craft, just leave it by the wayside. Look like a crazy nudist running through the game breaking your immersion.

I think everyone is getting a little bit tense though, on both sides of the fence. We do not even know how these changes are going to play out. Everyone needs to take a breath and wait to see what becomes.