Recount is pretty good. If you use more dps meter they will give same numbers with at most ±20 dps difference. The numbers you may read for the templar may be from some specific single target fight where the player can only spam some ability and animation cancel without fear of getting killed. Most fights require more than that so your dps will vary a lot.

I am a NB who does the above and They Had Better Not Even Try. (But then the folks I run with are smart, not stupid.)

Yes I would kick the sorc pulling low numbers you are there to dps not to heal. If the healer is messing up then they should kick him

Fersaken wrote: »

Yes I would kick the sorc pulling low numbers you are there to dps not to heal. If the healer is messing up then they should kick him

Yeah, if DPS character is having to heal when you have a dedicated healer in the group, that's a problem. That being said though, I can't tell you how many pugs I've been in where somebody stands in some high-dmg AOE and then complains about heals.

aleister wrote: »

Axer wrote: »

Yea recount is a pile of garbage , always buggy/wrong.

Use this to get accurate dps:
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info23-CombatLogStatisticsCLS.html#other

id recommend the old version. click other files, 1.05. New update has more bugs.

I've heard others say CLS is no good/wrong as well.

I had Both CLS and recount at the same time . I never seen them disagree by a significant margin.

In this game you don't measure dps

RivenCsky wrote: »

Simple many posts have already explained this in detail. As a Templar, Today to get the most out of the class you will have to wear 7 light and use a Healing staff as a main healer. All other builds are less efficient overall.

Yes. That's what I'd like to do most of the time, in general, but I still have levels to grind out, so I have fight sometimes.

RivenCsky wrote: »

It sounds like you are like the rest of us Templars and you have correctly put your char on ICE and are now playing another class. Cheers!

Not entirely, but yeah, I feel like our class is still pretty screwed. I'm hoping for more fixes.

Leafmint wrote: »

Have a very easy way to measure effective DPS.
1. Did we win (eventually)?
2. Was it fun?
If the answer is yes to both than your DPS is sufficient.

For me there is
3. Are we #1 on the leaderboards?
4. And no one died to lack of dps?

If 3 and 4 are not yes, then no DPS is not sufficient and must be improved. It's stupidly hard to improve something you have no idea what it is in the first place.

Nidwin wrote: »

It's pointless to go measure DPS on a Templar.

Templar doesn't dps down stuff but outlive fights.The reason for this is our lack of sustained dps because we need to regain Magicka through heavy attacks.

Anyway.
Good hunt little one

Templars can pull over 900 dps sustained now, soo im not sure what youre talking about. All you need is Spell Symetry and your'e golden.

*** And to the OP, I use Recount AND FTC, take both numbers and average them together to get a better/real feel of DPS/HPS. if you are not using blazing light, that will substantially boost your DPS, grouped or not.

_subjectnamehere_ wrote: »

richard.a.ellisb16_ESO wrote: »

Just curious, but if you have a sorc.
1) playing DPS in your party
2) that is has a healing staff in slot 2 and
3) during a fight he switches out and applies HoTs to y'all saving your butts.
4) and then switches back to dps....

Do you KICK him because his dps was too low?

I sure hope not...I am one of those players!

I don't see this as a problem either. This shouldn't happen often, but as a healer I know sometimes you get in a tight spot (healer gets cc'd, someone stands in an aoe..) and an extra heal is welcome. Eso is all about flexibility. Now if this happens every other fight, the group needs to think what they're doing right and wrong.
DPS numbers can and should be used to inform your decision but not in a vacum.

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

Anjelicus wrote: »

Nidwin wrote: »

It's pointless to go measure DPS on a Templar.

Templar doesn't dps down stuff but outlive fights.The reason for this is our lack of sustained dps because we need to regain Magicka through heavy attacks.

Anyway.
Good hunt little one

Templars can pull over 900 dps sustained now, soo im not sure what youre talking about. All you need is Spell Symetry and your'e golden.

*** And to the OP, I use Recount AND FTC, take both numbers and average them together to get a better/real feel of DPS/HPS. if you are not using blazing light, that will substantially boost your DPS, grouped or not.

guess you mean blazing spear or shield [or a morph of backlash] as blazing light aint even exist wich renders your hole post a bit unlikly and more like hearsay...

I assume he meant "Power of the Light" which I do use.

Haewk wrote: »

aleister wrote: »

So I have recount, but the damage numbers I see are typically no where near what a VR5 templar "should" be able to do. They are also pretty inconsistent and vary a lot depending on what I am fighting.

What should I fight to get a good baseline so I can work on improvement? (And yes, I've already rolled a sorc alt , but I'd like to get the temp as good as it can be at least).

What should a VR5 templar be able to do?

I've done a lot of testing and tweaking since I originally posted this. The fact is, DPS is all over the place depending on what kind of fight it is. I seem to get the highest DPS numbers when fighting 2-3 mobs at time that i have no trouble defeating - upwards of 800dps, but if you have to do anything defensive, DPS drops considerably, which makes sense. In longer fights where you drain magicka completely and have to regen, I get more like 400. I expect to improve once I get more Divines gear.

Haewk wrote: »

aleister wrote: »

Haewk wrote: »

aleister wrote: »

So I have recount, but the damage numbers I see are typically no where near what a VR5 templar "should" be able to do. They are also pretty inconsistent and vary a lot depending on what I am fighting.

What should I fight to get a good baseline so I can work on improvement? (And yes, I've already rolled a sorc alt , but I'd like to get the temp as good as it can be at least).

What should a VR5 templar be able to do?

I've done a lot of testing and tweaking since I originally posted this. The fact is, DPS is all over the place depending on what kind of fight it is. I seem to get the highest DPS numbers when fighting 2-3 mobs at time that i have no trouble defeating - upwards of 800dps, but if you have to do anything defensive, DPS drops considerably, which makes sense. In longer fights where you drain magicka completely and have to regen, I get more like 400. I expect to improve once I get more Divines gear.

Not really answering the question. In your original post you said that the dps was nowhere near what a VR5 templar should be able to do.

My question is where or how did you get information about what kind of dps you should be able to do at VR5?

Dozens of forum threads here and elsewhere cite 400-600 as being nominal sustained (not burst) DPS for a templar.

Nidwin wrote: »

Anjelicus wrote: »

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Templars can pull over 900 dps sustained now, soo im not sure what youre talking about. All you need is Spell Symetry and your'e golden.

1s 900
2s 1800
3s 2700
4s 3600
5s 4500
6s 5400
7s 6300
8s 7200
9s 8100
10s 9000

Fraps or it never happened and you can chose the NPC yourself.

Of course if you're talking about aoe total damage I could probably do this against a Wispmother but no way I will reach 900dps against a troll, whatever astronach or a gargoyle.

I'd like to see 900dps sustained demonstrated as well. I still think people are getting confused over sustained vs. burst.

First off, I've used FTC's built-in damage meter as well as recount to test my templar's dps, and they both wind up about the same, so I wouldn't stress too much about which mod you pick to measure your dps. Regardless of when the mod decides to start/end the counter, if you're managing a better rotation or using better skills for dps you'll see an increase over what you were doing before. Just be consistent; pick one mod and stick with it.

I know this is a bit off track from the OP, but I manage about 600 sustained dps on my templar. I was a dedicated healer for the longest time and only recently geared up for dps. I'm not claiming to have invented this build, but it's the best I've found for templar ST atm. That said, I'm always open to suggestions!

5 twilight's embrace, 3 willow's path w/ legendary precise resto staff. With 3 spell damage jewelry I wind up with 130 sp dmg and 53% crit.

Inner light; spell symmetry; power of the light; vampire's bane; blazing spear; w/ flawless dawnbreaker ulti

Rotation: POTL - bane - symmetry - spear - spear; repeat. Weave light attacks between all skills.

I get about 600 sustained dps depending on the fight. Bosses that move around a lot (or tanks that move bosses when they don't need to /facepalm) wreck your dps due to missing blazing spear ticks (which each have a chance to trigger burning light), or you might entirely miss some blazing spear casts since the animation is pretty long.

If anyone has suggestions for a better set up, please post em!