Bah...I'm Giving Up !

necrolineage · June 2014

bunnytrix wrote: »

I really think whoever is in charge of things and makes the decisions...Paul Sage, Matt Firor etc... should be removed/sacked/whatever as they are every day making terrible decisions which are making the game worse and losing more subscribers. Because of them the game is a mess.
Yes it was released far too early, and yes we are all paying to beta test, but it is still save'able. I love the game and I do think it has the potential to be truly great, but not with those people in charge...they are slowly killing it with every decision they make. Sooner or later the suits who control the money will see this.

Give the job to someone who listens to the player base, takes on board their concerns, communicates with them every day about their plans. Someone who actually reads the forums and knows how modern MMOs should work and what modern MMO players expect (ie not spending half of your play time trying to manage your inventory, decent useable rewards for our play, a lag free pvp experience, a proper easy way to buy and sell things to make a vibrant economy, some balance etc etc etc...)
This is a different MMO yes and has many many amazing things but the things that are really good are ruined by constant bugs/niggling little things that spoil the fun, and bad bad decisions by the devs (like nerfing things to combat bots which also make player experience worse, lazy endgame lack of foresight, and many other things too many to mention ).
I honestly think those in charge at the moment have no clue and are killing what could be a great game.

I have the same feeling and they have to expell all of the current team and replace them with people who known what they do.

Gedalya · June 2014

INB4 Goodbye thread closed.

arena25 · June 2014

<Clears his throat and begins to respond in his Old English tone>

Hear ye, hear ye, a Proclamation has cometh forth from Lord Arena25. He wants to...how do thou say..."remind" you that thy Game is filled with...how do they say..."bugs". However, One must realize, thy "developers" is hard at work fixing said "bugs", and thou must be patient with thy Developers, thou must realize that thy developers have a List that thy Developers must do, and thou must remember the following Proverb:

Be patient. Patience is a virtue.

The Moral of all of this is: Good things come to those who are Patient.

Goodbye,

Shedelin
Scribe to Lord Arena25

Blade_07 · June 2014

hk11 wrote: »

Judging from the amount of issues that are "personal taste issues", I am beginning to think some people just have bad taste in games.

I have not seen any "personal taste issues" brought up but rather thoughts on things that NEED to be improved for much better functionality and indeed user friendly and NOT a punishing system!!! Every comment on what NEEDS to be addressed is a hope for actual improvement for the over all benefit of good and friendly game play! The better the game is made the more fun people will have and want to stay instead of leave all [snip] off because the game was pushed out like a nasty fart and given to use as a great product. The blatant FACT is this game is STILL IN BETA and we are paying them for this crap! I would totally be cool with all the stupid crap if there was no monthly fee, PERIOD! ~.^

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Food4Thought · June 2014

yenkin2001b14_ESO wrote: »

I have stopped playing this as my main game, since I bought 6 months I am in hopes that in the next couple of months things will improve and people will start playing the game. But I have not seen such issues since playing Hellgate London, which was a game that could have potentially been grate, but got released to early because the publisher pushed it out the door.

We can't live in a lets get it out the door, and make money and fix the bugs. The biggest issues is the beta, never went further than a few beginner zones. So the later content never got tested. Sorry, you loose.

F2P here we come.

Hellgate London was garbage. By mid level you had pretty much seen every map. All they did was put new window dressing and higher level mobs in them and called it a new "zone".

Food4Thought · June 2014

Ecco wrote: »

For every guy like this who sees the sky falling, there are 50 players *playing* who are thoroughly enjoying the experience. They don't stop to post "this game is great", they just play.

My wife and I left out of frustration earlier on so I know the feeling, but we came back and realized what we were missing. There are still annoying problems, but the positives vastly outweigh (for us) any negatives. The game is great and full of promising potential. I still yell at my screen from time to time lol, but there is a reason we both keep coming back.

As for population, one thing you will notice is that players gravitate to efficient hubs to call home. For the AD, the town of rawl'kha in Reaper's March is always fantastically crowded because it is the best town in the game for quick access to way shrine, bank , crafting stations, merchants, etc. The bank is ALWAYS overpopulated. The gamer population is there, they are just more efficient than you realize.

As an AD I used the main town on Auridon for my key location. The place is filled with players of multiple levels. There have been times when I couldn't even see the banker due to the player base surrounding her.

But as far as VR goes, these forums are filled with players who are frustrated with these levels. It seems to me it is not so much about quest bugs as it is with character design and point allocation. People know that their current build isn't working, but they have too much invested to change. Better to take a maxed out combat build in VR that sucks to do a build refresh and go in with no points at all. Plus you have to relearn a combat style in zones that gave you loads of trouble before.

Phantax · June 2014

Gedalya wrote: »

INB4 Goodbye thread closed.

What thread are you reading? The OP clearly stated this is not a quitting/goodbye thread !
This is a thread stating why the OP (and as it seems a lot of other people) are feeling disheartened and burnt out by ESO already. Damn we're still in the honeymoon period, this game should come with rose-coloured specs, a bunch or roses and a cheap bottle of wine.
Instead the specs are more like an eye-patch, the flowers are dead and the wine taste like vinegar !
A quarter of a 'billion' dollars and a background of the entire TES franchise, this game should be kicking sand in the face of all MMOs !

LrdRahvin · June 2014

arena25 wrote: »

<Clears his throat and begins to respond in his Old English tone>

Hear ye, hear ye, a Proclamation has cometh forth from Lord Arena25. He wants to...how do thou say..."remind" you that thy Game is filled with...how do they say..."bugs". However, One must realize, thy "developers" is hard at work fixing said "bugs", and thou must be patient with thy Developers, thou must realize that thy developers have a List that thy Developers must do, and thou must remember the following Proverb:

Be patient. Patience is a virtue.

The Moral of all of this is: Good things come to those who are Patient.

Goodbye,

Shedelin
Scribe to Lord Arena25

/bullhorn

Put down the skooma and step away slowly with your hands up!

FrauPerchta · June 2014

I haven't played in over a week. I decided to give another online game that just went F2P a shot (I refused to pay the $60 it retailed for). Having fun, don't see a lot of bitching on the forums and the few things that I've heard on the forums that are buggy work great for me.

But I still come here every day in hopes some great game changing announcement will be waiting that will draw me back. I've updated but haven't played the latest update and I will continue my sub for a few more months. But beyond the 6 months I am just not sure I want to continue to pay to play a beta quality game.

arena25 · June 2014

LrdRahvinb14a_ESO wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

<Clears his throat and begins to respond in his Old English tone>

Hear ye, hear ye, a Proclamation has cometh forth from Lord Arena25. He wants to...how do thou say..."remind" you that thy Game is filled with...how do they say..."bugs". However, One must realize, thy "developers" is hard at work fixing said "bugs", and thou must be patient with thy Developers, thou must realize that thy developers have a List that thy Developers must do, and thou must remember the following Proverb:

Be patient. Patience is a virtue.

The Moral of all of this is: Good things come to those who are Patient.

Goodbye,

Shedelin
Scribe to Lord Arena25

/bullhorn

Put down the skooma and step away slowly with your hands up!

Oh, brother, here comes the "Have You Been Consuming Alcohol, Arena25?" lashing. I will tell you now: I don't drink alcohol or skooma or whatever!

Anyway, I'm trying to make a point: Be patient. Good things come to those who are patient.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content]

Blackwidow · June 2014

MercyKilling wrote: »

Well, it's not like you're being forced to play this game that has a laundry list of defects. (In your opinion)

It's the old, "If you don't like the game, just leave."

Well, that is working really well for ZOS so far.

You admit you have problems with the game, but you would rather chant how perfect the game is instead of trying to make it better.

There is a word for people like you....

For the record, I agreed with exactly six of your gripes. The rest are either things you call problems, but I've yet to run into them, or personal taste issues.

It does not matter how many you agree with. Each and every one of those complaints are a person's opinion that they feel needs to get fixed.

They have every right to try to change the game for the better from their point of view.

You have this long list of complaints, but offer no solutions, so you're just complaining based on personal dislikes.

It is a detailed list of other people's complaints. It is 100% constructive because it gives details as to what is wrong with the game from their point of view.

They don't have to have the answers, they just need to tell ZOS the problems so ZOS can know where they are coming from.

THAT is what makes your post "complaining to be complaining".

Sounds to me like you are the only one complaining just to complain.

If a thread upsets you this much, be a big boy and walk away.

If you disagree with an idea or complaint, be mature enough to give a counter point and defend the game. Don't attack the poster.

People have the right to post problems with the game, like it or not.

arena25 · June 2014

Blackwidow, let the dinos do what they may.

Vuron · June 2014

@arena25 wrote: »

<Gets in his formal tone of voice>

I do not want to accuse anyone of anything, but I must ask, how many times must I repeat myself? This game is only 3 months old...it is going to have issues, just like any other new game. In fact, I ask you to do the following...go to any other game (Be it World of Warcraft, Rift, Star Wars: The Old Republic, whatever) and for those who played World of Warcraft, Rift, et cetera, et cetera, in the first 3 or so months, ask them the following question: What issues did the game have? I bet you 90% of those you ask will tell you issues that are quite similar to the issues Elder Scrolls Online has right now.

When you are done, you will come to realize the following truth: New games, regardless of size of game, the size of the developer base making said game, and the number of players playing said game, will have many issues, but it will get better later down the line.

Thank you for your understanding and patience.

Sincerely,

An Elder Scrolls Online player

Let me also speak in a formal tone.

In 2 more weeks, I will have been testing/playing this game for 1 year. There are others that have been testing for even longer.

It would be understandable if many of these issues were only 3 months old and only related to launch. Unfortunately, a very large number of items discussed in this thread have been going on for as long as I've been testing. Not only have they existed, but they've been pointed out, discussed, argued over, fought over, and quit over.

Phantax · June 2014

Vuron wrote: »

@arena25 wrote: »

<Gets in his formal tone of voice>

I do not want to accuse anyone of anything, but I must ask, how many times must I repeat myself? This game is only 3 months old...it is going to have issues, just like any other new game. In fact, I ask you to do the following...go to any other game (Be it World of Warcraft, Rift, Star Wars: The Old Republic, whatever) and for those who played World of Warcraft, Rift, et cetera, et cetera, in the first 3 or so months, ask them the following question: What issues did the game have? I bet you 90% of those you ask will tell you issues that are quite similar to the issues Elder Scrolls Online has right now.

When you are done, you will come to realize the following truth: New games, regardless of size of game, the size of the developer base making said game, and the number of players playing said game, will have many issues, but it will get better later down the line.

Thank you for your understanding and patience.

Sincerely,

An Elder Scrolls Online player

Let me also speak in a formal tone.

In 2 more weeks, I will have been testing/playing this game for 1 year. There are others that have been testing for even longer.

It would be understandable if many of these issues were only 3 months old and only related to launch. Unfortunately, a very large number of items discussed in this thread have been going on for as long as I've been testing. Not only have they existed, but they've been pointed out, discussed, argued over, fought over, and quit over.

Says it all really !

Not only that but

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just edited the note regarding Silver Bolts to clarify that the 100% proc rate against werewolves is not intended, and will be fixed next week. Apologies for any confusion this may have caused!

So not only do they mess it up, they make people wait another week to 'hopefully' get it fixed !

Sorry Gina, not shooting the messenger, know its not your fault.
(would like to shoot the git that sank one of my recent threads though)

subecsanur · June 2014

Phantax wrote: »

Before the Mods move in this is not a quitting thread (I'm not quitting)
I am however not playing the game while it's in its current state !

Craglorn is a dead zone, literally. Yesterday (a weekend, prime time day) was rubbish there. Pretty much impossible to get a group, chat was almost non existent, anomalies are still a joke since the nerf ! (they need to be set back to how they were before)
VR zones... don't make me laugh ! I was in a VR9 zone and I can honestly say I saw about 4 people in nearly 5 hours. Tried a couple of times to engage in conversation but nothing. (not saying these peeps were bots, they weren't but they certainly weren't friendly either) Don't know if it was a stealth buff or a bug, but as a couple of threads have pointed out VR mobs are doing more damage than before the patch. Players (the few there are) are spending more time running back to repair and/or dying than they are enjoying the game !
Cyrodiil , well I got just 3 letters to sum up that area... FPS ! ! ! (say no more)

I made a quip in some other post about being on the forums is more enjoyable than playing the game. looking back at the comment... it's sadly true ! I'm having more fun/interaction with other players here than I was in the game (and for that to be true there is something definitely, seriously wrong)

I can't even say that I'm eagerly awaiting Monday's fix. Honestly.. my main thought about Monday is "What else are they going to break?"

I'm not normally a quitter, but I have to admit that thought is bouncing round in my head. When Blizzard, Trion, CCP said they were going to fix things, I never found myself doubting that. I don't have that confidence in Zenimax !
Honestly... I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Like I said I'm not ready to quit yet. I'd still consider renewing my sub (maybe reduced from a 90 day to a 30 day though) Or maybe it's just time to take a break?

Ah well, that's my thoughts thrown out there. (feel free to Rage, Flame or Comment)

Lol exactly my thoughts!! The fact that they call this Monday server down as "Maintenance" did not boost my confidence in any potential fixes.

When the 1.2.3. issues list came out with almost all that was implemented was causing issues or brought more issues with all the red status, was not very encouraging.

Game was not great to begin with but the patches certainly did not help with adding measly things that really was not relevant, and they were actually causing more issues.

subecsanur · June 2014

Hadria wrote: »

Those are just your opinions, not everyone dislikes most of what you listed.

Denial!!

Blackwidow · June 2014

The bugs are the least of my concern for this game. I know over time they will mostly all get fixed.

It is the base game design for a lot of the systems that need changing, but I fear may never change.

So, it does not matter how young the game is. It is the direction of the game and the simple choices ZOS has made, but in the wrong direction, that upsets me the most.

Creating a tiny shared bank space for all characters to try to stop people from crafting was a horrible idea that did not work and just upset a large portion of the player base.

Deciding not to have guild permissions for banks still boggles the mind.

Leaving out underwater swimming in a TES game was painful for me the first time I jumped in a deep pool of water and could not swim down. EQ had this in 1997. WTF, ZOS.

There are simple things like, can't reply in mail, can't mail to self, etc.

I could go on, but there does not seem to be a point. It just makes me sad.

I just wish ZOS would say something, anything on these topics, so we knew what they were thinking.

subecsanur · June 2014

Ecco wrote: »

For every guy like this who sees the sky falling, there are 50 players *playing* who are thoroughly enjoying the experience. They don't stop to post "this game is great", they just play.

My wife and I left out of frustration earlier on so I know the feeling, but we came back and realized what we were missing. There are still annoying problems, but the positives vastly outweigh (for us) any negatives. The game is great and full of promising potential. I still yell at my screen from time to time lol, but there is a reason we both keep coming back.

As for population, one thing you will notice is that players gravitate to efficient hubs to call home. For the AD, the town of rawl'kha in Reaper's March is always fantastically crowded because it is the best town in the game for quick access to way shrine, bank , crafting stations, merchants, etc. The bank is ALWAYS overpopulated. The gamer population is there, they are just more efficient than you realize.

So true, wish most towns were designed in such a nice way, they lack a grocer is the only thing I can think but the access is awesome.
Some towns the way the lay out was made just blows my mind with the Wayshrine to Bank is to go completely across town and no where even close to any crafting stations or merchants.
In fact I know some towns that have the signs still all messed up and merchants that don't even exist despite our map showing their names. Little things like this make you wonder.

GreySix · June 2014

Gee, another personal attack.

Who saw that coming?

Blackwidow · June 2014

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Whine whine whine, I feel so privledged and needed. When I don't like something, the game is broken. When they nerf something that made me op the game is broken. Because the developers should be making the game around me. I can't possible imagine why they would consider anyone else. Whine whine, cry, cry. I need to whine so people can see I'm making a difference.

Feels good to be a whiner

I guess you would know.

Phantax · June 2014

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Whine whine whine, I feel so privledged and needed. When I don't like something, the game is broken. When they nerf something that made me op the game is broken. Because the developers should be making the game around me. I can't possible imagine why they would consider anyone else. Whine whine, cry, cry. I need to whine so people can see I'm making a difference.

Feels good to be a whiner

If you'd actually had the manners to read through all the posts, you'll see the majority of them bring up points that affect the community as a whole !
But considering your comment, I'm not surprised really that you obviously didn't

dastone · June 2014

I

rhoekieb16_ESO wrote: »

I can only say this to ZOS and to you,

You reap what you sow.

ZOS sow a game in early beta stage,riddled with gamebreaking bugs and some huge exploits,some identified but not fixed during testing(i still know of 10 exploits 80% of the playerbase has still no knowledge of,but they will at some point)

You reap, people running away in droves,ammount of negative posts and threads growing by the day on this and all ESO related forums.

And they deserve every last one of them.

I can't think of a game launch in the last ten years that did not have this exact post on their forums

LrdRahvin · June 2014

dastone wrote: »

I

rhoekieb16_ESO wrote: »

I can only say this to ZOS and to you,

You reap what you sow.

ZOS sow a game in early beta stage,riddled with gamebreaking bugs and some huge exploits,some identified but not fixed during testing(i still know of 10 exploits 80% of the playerbase has still no knowledge of,but they will at some point)

You reap, people running away in droves,ammount of negative posts and threads growing by the day on this and all ESO related forums.

And they deserve every last one of them.

I can't think of a game launch in the last ten years that did not have this exact post on their forums

Links?

DanteVFenris · June 2014

Phantax wrote: »

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Whine whine whine, I feel so privledged and needed. When I don't like something, the game is broken. When they nerf something that made me op the game is broken. Because the developers should be making the game around me. I can't possible imagine why they would consider anyone else. Whine whine, cry, cry. I need to whine so people can see I'm making a difference.

Feels good to be a whiner

If you'd actually had the manners to read through all the posts, you'll see the majority of them bring up points that affect the community as a whole !
But considering your comment, I'm not surprised really that you obviously didn't

I do, I'm taking about the person who made the post. The points are valid, I want this game to keep making progress, but it doesn't need whiners to do so. You shouldn't excuse their behaviour, some people above did have valid points without whining. I was mainly taking about the creator of the post

Edit: actually I was probably also referring to most people on the internet. Technically I'm whining about whiners I've heard people say that's but then I could say your whining about people whining about whiners. One thing is a lot of people whine on the internet to let off steam. Is it wrong is it right? Well it's better then what I do. When I'm stressed, I let off stress by stabbing a body repeatable until I pass out. But at the same time I'm selfish and would prefer not to here them.

There are better ways to get developers attention. "Like we would love if you'd do this..." It's been proven that positive reinforcement is far more encouraging then ponishment. They make updates and get punished for it? Why would they want to work harder?

Huckdabuck · June 2014

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Whine whine whine, I feel so privledged and needed. When I don't like something, the game is broken. When they nerf something that made me op the game is broken. Because the developers should be making the game around me. I can't possible imagine why they would consider anyone else. Whine whine, cry, cry. I need to whine so people can see I'm making a difference.

Feels good to be a whiner

You're a special kind of educated....ain't ya?

circilion · June 2014

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Whine whine whine, I feel so privledge(Rant Snip) ng, the game is broken. When they nerd somethin(Snippy Snip Snip)opers should be making the game around me. I can't possible imagine why they would consid(Snip Snip Snip Snip)nce.

Feels good to be a wh(Snip)

Wazah! Agree!! All these people frustrated with by and large legitimate issues!!! <Takes another pull from bong> Don't they know that if they get blitzed like us that it won't even matter what game their playing or what kinda shape its in they'll always have a good time!!

Me and you brother gotta stick together!! You keep posting on this thread I'm gonna go to a few others to let all them peoples know that their issues are not important either!!

angelbless05 · June 2014

Lol, it's as if everyone was surprised that a developer *gasp* pushed out a lower quality game than they expected!

Seriously, I could care less about the bug issues when a game launches, as never have I seen an mmo actually be bug free. Plus, it's a ES game, is anyone suprised that bugs wouldn't be around? If so, you must have not played Skyrim. Mayhaps they thought that they could get away with earning billions of dollars and Game of the Year awards with a buggy game that's still not bug free, but since ZoS doesn't have the same clout as Bethsoft, they're getting the pitchforks thrown at them. All we can do is see what happens six months down the road (and for those who have tested beta from over a year ago, I guarantee you that every other major mmo did the same thing and still came out live with the exact same bugs at launch). If they can stabilize the bug issue to a minimal, then I have a reason to keep my sub. That six month mark is usually an indicator of overall success. Three months is honestly too short for people to run around screaming that the games an outstanding success or epic failure. Just read any other major MMO's thread from the start and see how many doom and gloom/glorious praise threads they contain. EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. SUFFERS. THIS. ESO is no different and unless future game devs decide to see the light, other mmos will continue to come out with massive bugs never addressed from the start and class unbalance that is out of this world (I seriously think that devs worship magic users in general, they always come out OP at the beginning). If anything, people from this and all other games that have gone through this need to band together and just plain demand better from devs in general so that future mmos don't get slapped together anymore (while also realizing that it means games might need 3-5 years instead of 1-2 to develop).

Having said that, I do agree that constructive critisim is needed. How would they know if something is wrong/right with the game if the community doesn't say anything? A complaint that doesn't automatically flame into "OMGESOISAPOCLOLBYE" thread is needed, as it points out what the playerbase wants. And people who love the game and find no problems are not wrong (so long as they don't get on a high horse and belittle anyone with less than religious verses on why the game is the best thing ever). Most people who give negative feedback about something they feel needs to be addressed want the game to succeed, they're just angry at the lackluster product given to them and want answers. Even if they said "Hey gais, we hate werewolves, so we've made SB a 100% proc on purpose", at least they are acknowledging and giving answers as to why something was done the way they did. And those who honestly find nothing wrong about the game are not wrong, just different. I bet there's a game you've played where you honestly didn't understand why you loved something that, according to them, most people hated. It's human nature, people will always have a difference in opinion. And for those complaining about the complainers "complaining" on the forums, complaining about the complainers is complaining, therefore, stop the complaining by not complaining about the complainers!

Whew, that was a wall of text xD

circilion · June 2014

Is this a new thing now? I see this "Complaining about complainers complaining complaining complainer" garbage all the time recently. And every poster types it out like its original clever and hilarious.

Not disagreeing with the content of your post, agree with it for the most part. but you just had to go and finish it with that damn recently idiot cliche.

DanteVFenris · June 2014

circilion wrote: »

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Whine whine whine, I feel so privledge(Rant Snip) ng, the game is broken. When they nerd somethin(Snippy Snip Snip)opers should be making the game around me. I can't possible imagine why they would consid(Snip Snip Snip Snip)nce.

Feels good to be a wh(Snip)

Wazah! Agree!! All these people frustrated with by and large legitimate issues!!! <Takes another pull from bong> Don't they know that if they get blitzed like us that it won't even matter what game their playing or what kinda shape its in they'll always have a good time!!

Me and you brother gotta stick together!! You keep posting on this thread I'm gonna go to a few others to let all them peoples know that their issues are not important either!!

I was trying to be funny. And really get real, are everyone's complaints legitimate issues? What about conflicting issues? I see people who want one thing, then others that want the opposite. What's the fix for that? I wish people could comprehend English, your putting a load of *** into my mouth that I didn't say. Heck I didn't even imply half of that. I was just trying to replicate the behaviour of the whiners, which yes some do sound like that.

Is this game fun? Yes. Can it have improvments? Yes. Is this game as broken as the community thinks it is? No. The game could have a bunch of fixes and constant improvments but that doesn't happen over night now does it? Trust me I believe a lot of the whiners make good points, but it's dramatizes as hell. Don't give me bs saying it isn't. A bunch of boys having fun being drama queens. I want this game to change for the better I never said otherwise. Again was just trying to replicate a percentage of the player base.

circilion · June 2014

DanteVFenris wrote: »

circilion wrote: »

DanteVFenris wrote: »

Whine whine whine, I feel so privledge(Rant Snip) ng, the game is broken. When they nerd somethin(Snippy Snip Snip)opers should be making the game around me. I can't possible imagine why they would consid(Snip Snip Snip Snip)nce.

Feels good to be a wh(Snip)

Wazah! Agree!! All these people frustrated with by and large legitimate issues!!! <Takes another pull from bong> Don't they know that if they get blitzed like us that it won't even matter what game their playing or what kinda shape its in they'll always have a good time!!

Me and you brother gotta stick together!! You keep posting on this thread I'm gonna go to a few others to let all them peoples know that their issues are not important either!!

I was trying to be funny. And really get real, are everyone's complaints legitimate issues? What about conflicting issues? I see people who want one thing, then others that want the opposite. What's the fix for that? I wish people could comprehend English, your putting a load of *** into my mouth that I didn't say. Heck I didn't even imply half of that. I was just trying to replicate the behaviour of the whiners, which yes some do sound like that.

Is this game fun? Yes. Can it have improvments? Yes. Is this game as broken as the community thinks it is? No. The game could have a bunch of fixes and constant improvments but that doesn't happen over night now does it? Trust me I believe a lot of the whiners make good points, but it's dramatizes as hell. Don't give me bs saying it isn't. A bunch of boys having fun being drama queens. I want this game to change for the better I never said otherwise. Again was just trying to replicate a percentage of the player base.

Yea this is true, There are a lot of issues though. Some Issues mean more to people than others. I myself don't really care about the odd Passive ability not working right. or the odd glitch out on flurry. because I'm a crappy enough player that honestly every edge isn't gonna make much of a difference lol.

But every issue is gonna have a shwack of sub's that it does bother. Like lets say the Mac Memory Bleed Bug. I have not been able to PvP seriously since the release of this game, and I am beginning to suspect that the percentage of Mac players is so low that I'll be lucky to see a fix in a year.

How about the Vet Difficulty? As for me it doesn't make much of a difference as I just pretty well coast along in it --->Sorcerer Thank god. But I'm sure that there are a couple NB's that are a little Irate.

A forum has gotta be a place to $#$@%, Cause I know my wife doesn't wanna hear it haha.