I beg you - please realise this about endgame and vet
Stratti
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This is to the gamers,
Endgame begins at V1 - many people misinterpret how vet works it is a small expansion in soft cap that is all. I am not much more powerful at V8 than I was at v1 stats wise (as a tank) although my experience and knowledge has grown.
Some come here to complain that vet is a grind . Which says to me that they think it's levelling . Levelling ends at 50 . Vet is a level 50 with extra buffed soft caps and better items .
So here is a list of things to do for vet points.
Solo dungeon
Public Dungeon
Cadwells quest ( I completed this at v6 in the v10 levels )
Dolmens
World Bosses
Vet Dungeons - quests are very good and vp rate is high
Content is challenging and fun.
Also guilds we have five slots - at any time I will have some 200 or so players online . Little tip do 4 trade guilds and 1 social/ grouping / dungeon guild
This isn't wow or another MMO where you will be left behind if your not v12 enjoy the endgame stop skipping it and then complaining your bored . Stop feeling anxiety that your levelling slowly when your already levelled
Endgame begins at V1 - many people misinterpret how vet works it is a small expansion in soft cap that is all. I am not much more powerful at V8 than I was at v1 stats wise (as a tank) although my experience and knowledge has grown.
Some come here to complain that vet is a grind . Which says to me that they think it's levelling . Levelling ends at 50 . Vet is a level 50 with extra buffed soft caps and better items .
So here is a list of things to do for vet points.
Solo dungeon
Public Dungeon
Cadwells quest ( I completed this at v6 in the v10 levels )
Dolmens
World Bosses
Vet Dungeons - quests are very good and vp rate is high
Content is challenging and fun.
Also guilds we have five slots - at any time I will have some 200 or so players online . Little tip do 4 trade guilds and 1 social/ grouping / dungeon guild
This isn't wow or another MMO where you will be left behind if your not v12 enjoy the endgame stop skipping it and then complaining your bored . Stop feeling anxiety that your levelling slowly when your already levelled
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭Implying a V1 fighting V12 enemies in Craglorn " is only a soft cap" and is " challenging and fun"
And max level IS V12. People want to develop their characters, this is an MMO and people WANT to reach max level and get the best gear they can. Unfortunately you have to endure a boring grind of veteran ranks, which has pushed a lot of people away from the game.
Just because you're enjoying the game and think it's challenging and fun, doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same. The very fact you made this thread means you know people are getting bored of the veteran ranks if you're having to convince people it's not boring.
Thank you for sharing your personal opinion with us.Edited by Valn on June 30, 2014 12:50AM15 -
Csub✭✭✭✭✭I agree, the only problem is that I think people will hardly bring VR 1 people to the trials but then again, you have to work for it like how you farm your heroics and daily quests for raiding gear in other games. It is a bit longer here, though, but that should mean it keeps people occupied for longer, though it is not always the case.Edited by Csub on June 30, 2014 12:48AM"The Divines gave you a nose for a reason, Tharn. So you can keep your mouth shut and still keep breathing. - Lyris Titanborn0 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Implying a V1 fighting V12 enemies in Craglorn " is only a soft cap" and is " challenging and fun"
And max level IS V12. People want to develop their characters, this is an MMO and people WANT to reach max level and get the best gear they can. Unfortunately you have to endure a boring grind of veteran ranks, which has pushed a lot of people away from the game.
Just because you're enjoying the game and think it's challenging and fun, doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same.
Thank you for sharing your personal opinion with us.
Max level is 50
Vet rank max is 12 . I can't make it easier for you but the difference isn't great. I suggest you download soft cap info and judge yourself. My armor for example is about 50 more than it was at v4 at v8 due to diminishing returns .
You think that there shouldn't be a veteran grind then simple do it the fast way. All I'm saying is I bet my bottom dollar that all those people who grinded to v12 quickly aren't good players. I have them in our guild - you go on a run you see.
But anyway how can people like yourself be convinced this game isn't wow . You simply won't be . Thankfully ZOS is too smart to ruin their game by pandering to casual poor players and those that want to rush through content
WoW will have WoD soon you all can go there and leave those behind who care about having a challenging experience rather than a faceroll game full of welfare epics6 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭All I'm saying is I bet my bottom dollar that all those people who grinded to v12 quickly aren't good players.
Thankfully ZOS is too smart to ruin their game by pandering to casual poor players and those that want to rush through content
There you have it folks.
This guys insulting all those who grinded their way to V12, who actually have lives outside of the game, who want to do trails and stuff with their friends but don't want to spend weeks levelling.
He also thinks ZOS is too smart to ruin their game.
oh my.
ps. Max level is actually V1. There is no level 50. 1-49 is your factions levelling process, 1-12 is the other 2 factions + craglorn.
If max level was V1, then craglorn would have been V1. If max level was V1, there would be no stat difference between V1 and V12.
Thanks.Edited by Valn on June 30, 2014 1:02AM10 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭
What's the issue though Valn I get your not sure how vet and levels work but that isn't a huge problem . If you want to skip to v12 then grind it out in Craiglorn . It's still gives you a good 300-400k per hour . Hell I still do it once or twice a week for *** and giggles .
I left Wow after 10 years largely because the long term removal of challenge from the accessible parts of the game left the community toxic and the game boring.
I imagine ZOS know this and won't do the same.
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭
What's the issue though Valn I get your not sure how vet and levels work but that isn't a huge problem . If you want to skip to v12 then grind it out in Craiglorn . It's still gives you a good 300-400k per hour . Hell I still do it once or twice a week for *** and giggles .
I left Wow after 10 years largely because the long term removal of challenge from the accessible parts of the game left the community toxic and the game boring.
I imagine ZOS know this and won't do the same.
He's saying all those people who grinded to V12 aren't good players. That's rather insulting to a lot of people tbh. I myself grinded because the veteran areas take too long, i'm a casual player because i have a full time job. Before craglorn was released I stopped playing because i was bored of levelling.4 -
Csub✭✭✭✭✭All I'm saying is I bet my bottom dollar that all those people who grinded to v12 quickly aren't good players.
Thankfully ZOS is too smart to ruin their game by pandering to casual poor players and those that want to rush through content
There you have it folks. This guys insulting all those who grinded their way to V12, who actually have lives outside of the game, who want to do trails and stuff with their friends but don't want to spend weeks levelling.
He also thinks ZOS is too smart to ruin their game.
oh my.
ps. Max level is actually V1. There is no level 50. 1-49 is your factions levelling process, 1-12 is the other 2 factions + craglorn.
If max level was V1, then craglorn would have been V1. If max level was V1, there would be no stat difference between V1 and V12.
Thanks.
So you are saying that he people who grinded their ways to A VR 12 are the casuals? If so, they must be pretty hardcore casuals.
I am only VR 8 and I play much more than a casual.
"The Divines gave you a nose for a reason, Tharn. So you can keep your mouth shut and still keep breathing. - Lyris Titanborn1 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭All I'm saying is I bet my bottom dollar that all those people who grinded to v12 quickly aren't good players.
Thankfully ZOS is too smart to ruin their game by pandering to casual poor players and those that want to rush through content
There you have it folks. This guys insulting all those who grinded their way to V12, who actually have lives outside of the game, who want to do trails and stuff with their friends but don't want to spend weeks levelling.
He also thinks ZOS is too smart to ruin their game.
oh my.
ps. Max level is actually V1. There is no level 50. 1-49 is your factions levelling process, 1-12 is the other 2 factions + craglorn.
If max level was V1, then craglorn would have been V1. If max level was V1, there would be no stat difference between V1 and V12.
Thanks.
So you are saying that he people who grinded their ways to A VR 12 are the casuals? If so, they must be pretty hardcore casuals.
I am only VR 8 and I play much more than a casual.
I'm not labelling anyone. Everyone has different playstyles. But from my experience, being a casual gamer, and my guild mates ( those who are remaining) told me they are casual gamers, we decided to grind to V12 so we could start doing trials and stuff.
He said that people who grinded aren't good players. Your skill or intelligence doesn't depend on how many days you've played the game you know.Edited by Valn on June 30, 2014 1:09AM4 -
Akhratos✭✭✭✭Ignorance makes for happy campers.
The day you take the time to compare some damage tests and see how things like armor mitigation does not work for vr1-10 you will see your beloved hard content is nothing more than broken content caused by the mess they did with the Craglorn patch.
When you get to Craglorn and start facerolling 4 mobs packs while struggling to kill packs of 3 at the vr10 zone you will have it pristine clear.
But I guess a happy camper would defend vr1-10 mobs having 95% armor pen is working as intended, as it is the last zone being easier than the previous ones and giving 20 times the experience.6 -
MonkeyAssassin24✭✭✭Implying a V1 fighting V12 enemies in Craglorn " is only a soft cap" and is " challenging and fun"
And max level IS V12. People want to develop their characters, this is an MMO and people WANT to reach max level and get the best gear they can. Unfortunately you have to endure a boring grind of veteran ranks, which has pushed a lot of people away from the game.
Just because you're enjoying the game and think it's challenging and fun, doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same.
Thank you for sharing your personal opinion with us.
Max level is 50
Vet rank max is 12 . I can't make it easier for you but the difference isn't great. I suggest you download soft cap info and judge yourself. My armor for example is about 50 more than it was at v4 at v8 due to diminishing returns .
You think that there shouldn't be a veteran grind then simple do it the fast way. All I'm saying is I bet my bottom dollar that all those people who grinded to v12 quickly aren't good players. I have them in our guild - you go on a run you see.
But anyway how can people like yourself be convinced this game isn't wow . You simply won't be . Thankfully ZOS is too smart to ruin their game by pandering to casual poor players and those that want to rush through content
WoW will have WoD soon you all can go there and leave those behind who care about having a challenging experience rather than a faceroll game full of welfare epics
Yeah except the fact that between V1 and V12 is a high amount of skill points as well as gear/glyph restrictions. One of the main differences fighting between two players of differing levels isn't a softcap, it's skills, gear, and enchants (not claiming player skill is not involved, just pointing out other factors in character power). Differentiating "player level" from "veteran player level" is nothing, everyone knows it's basically level 51-62 except the rewards aren't nearly as great.
End game in an MMO should not be this veteran level slogfest. Keeping in mind the fact that they want to keep increasing this cap, would any of you be able to talk people into picking up this game down the road by explaining to them how to get to V20 or V25? Would your initial argument still hold water when these are the veteran caps? Every player pretty much feels if your character is not V12 (or whatever number the cap is at any given time) you are not at level cap.
On second thought, let's not go to the forums. 'Tis a silly place.3 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭MonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »Implying a V1 fighting V12 enemies in Craglorn " is only a soft cap" and is " challenging and fun"
And max level IS V12. People want to develop their characters, this is an MMO and people WANT to reach max level and get the best gear they can. Unfortunately you have to endure a boring grind of veteran ranks, which has pushed a lot of people away from the game.
Just because you're enjoying the game and think it's challenging and fun, doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same.
Thank you for sharing your personal opinion with us.
Max level is 50
Vet rank max is 12 . I can't make it easier for you but the difference isn't great. I suggest you download soft cap info and judge yourself. My armor for example is about 50 more than it was at v4 at v8 due to diminishing returns .
You think that there shouldn't be a veteran grind then simple do it the fast way. All I'm saying is I bet my bottom dollar that all those people who grinded to v12 quickly aren't good players. I have them in our guild - you go on a run you see.
But anyway how can people like yourself be convinced this game isn't wow . You simply won't be . Thankfully ZOS is too smart to ruin their game by pandering to casual poor players and those that want to rush through content
WoW will have WoD soon you all can go there and leave those behind who care about having a challenging experience rather than a faceroll game full of welfare epics
Yeah except the fact that between V1 and V12 is a high amount of skill points as well as gear/glyph restrictions. One of the main differences fighting between two players of differing levels isn't a softcap, it's skills, gear, and enchants (not claiming player skill is not involved, just pointing out other factors in character power). Differentiating "player level" from "veteran player level" is nothing, everyone knows it's basically level 51-62 except the rewards aren't nearly as great.
End game in an MMO should not be this veteran level slogfest. Keeping in mind the fact that they want to keep increasing this cap, would any of you be able to talk people into picking up this game down the road by explaining to them how to get to V20 or V25? Would your initial argument still hold water when these are the veteran caps? Every player pretty much feels if your character is not V12 (or whatever number the cap is at any given time) you are not at level cap.
Quoted for truth, couldn't have said it better myself Unfortunately many people in this thread are too blind to see this. Edited by Valn on June 30, 2014 1:12AM5 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Ignorance makes for happy campers.
The day you take the time to compare some damage tests and see how things like armor mitigation does not work for vr1-10 you will see your beloved hard content is nothing more than broken content caused by the mess they did with the Craglorn patch.
When you get to Craglorn and start facerolling 4 mobs packs while struggling to kill packs of 3 at the vr10 zone you will have it pristine clear.
But I guess a happy camper would defend vr1-10 mobs having 95% armor pen is working as intended, as it is the last zone being easier than the previous ones and giving 20 times the experience.
I cleared to v10 zone of cadwells in a Stam build at v6 the only trouble I had was healers were broken and would heal through stuns to full but that was doable.
And with your snide remark on my Ui I have had recount and TF all the way since level 38 . I know in every fight my dps, dtps, HPS . Armor mitigation works the same . I know this because I'm a tank with a bow second spec and track damage taken.
Do not assume I am ignorant because you do not like what I am saying. The issue your relating to is to do with the issue of many . You want it easier . Well grind your way to v12 using Craiglorn groups , they didn't close the window .
But don't complain about the game being too hard or not tuned right. I completed it at v6 using a 'not optimum build' . Because I didn't expect it would be easy and worked my way through it.
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭Ignorance makes for happy campers.
The day you take the time to compare some damage tests and see how things like armor mitigation does not work for vr1-10 you will see your beloved hard content is nothing more than broken content caused by the mess they did with the Craglorn patch.
When you get to Craglorn and start facerolling 4 mobs packs while struggling to kill packs of 3 at the vr10 zone you will have it pristine clear.
But I guess a happy camper would defend vr1-10 mobs having 95% armor pen is working as intended, as it is the last zone being easier than the previous ones and giving 20 times the experience.
I cleared to v10 zone of cadwells in a Stam build at v6 the only trouble I had was healers were broken and would heal through stuns to full but that was doable.
And with your snide remark on my Ui I have had recount and TF all the way since level 38 . I know in every fight my dps, dtps, HPS . Armor mitigation works the same . I know this because I'm a tank with a bow second spec and track damage taken.
Do not assume I am ignorant because you do not like what I am saying. The issue your relating to is to do with the issue of many . You want it easier . Well grind your way to v12 using Craiglorn groups , they didn't close the window .
But don't complain about the game being too hard or not tuned right. I completed it at v6 using a 'not optimum build' . Because I didn't expect it would be easy and worked my way through it.
It's not that he doesn't like what you're saying, he's assuming you're ignorant because you're actually wrong and misinformed.
And it's nothing to do with "wanting it easier" It's more to do with...skipping the boring grinding process to V12 max level
And to say that veteran ranks isn't hard is just delusion. Some classes and builds can't even kill packs their own level, it's nothing to do with player skill.
Also armor migitation IS broken, i've tested it myself.Edited by Valn on June 30, 2014 1:19AM6 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭All I'm saying is I bet my bottom dollar that all those people who grinded to v12 quickly aren't good players.
Thankfully ZOS is too smart to ruin their game by pandering to casual poor players and those that want to rush through content
There you have it folks. This guys insulting all those who grinded their way to V12, who actually have lives outside of the game, who want to do trails and stuff with their friends but don't want to spend weeks levelling.
He also thinks ZOS is too smart to ruin their game.
oh my.
ps. Max level is actually V1. There is no level 50. 1-49 is your factions levelling process, 1-12 is the other 2 factions + craglorn.
If max level was V1, then craglorn would have been V1. If max level was V1, there would be no stat difference between V1 and V12.
Thanks.
Is that what I said. Insult was it , your sensitive I think. I don't judge people for their choices . It's great you levelled to v12 . Your toon will be marginally more powerful than a v8. If you think it is outrageous that someone who spent 20+ hours roflstomping through Craiglorn will have more class knowledge than someone who did it properly in a challenging way than I cannot help you as your logic would be non existent.
Point is if you grind your way to v12 in easy roflstomping groups in Craiglorn then you will not have developed all the skills required. I have seen this in vet dungeons myself
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hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is to the gamers,
Endgame begins at V1 - many people misinterpret how vet works it is a small expansion in soft cap that is all. I am not much more powerful at V8 than I was at v1 stats wise (as a tank) although my experience and knowledge has grown.
Some come here to complain that vet is a grind . Which says to me that they think it's levelling . Levelling ends at 50 . Vet is a level 50 with extra buffed soft caps and better items .
So here is a list of things to do for vet points.
Solo dungeon
Public Dungeon
Cadwells quest ( I completed this at v6 in the v10 levels )
Dolmens
World Bosses
Vet Dungeons - quests are very good and vp rate is high
Content is challenging and fun.
Also guilds we have five slots - at any time I will have some 200 or so players online . Little tip do 4 trade guilds and 1 social/ grouping / dungeon guild
This isn't wow or another MMO where you will be left behind if your not v12 enjoy the endgame stop skipping it and then complaining your bored . Stop feeling anxiety that your levelling slowly when your already levelled
except your just plain wrong. you are still levelling otherwise you could equip all armour/weapons at v1 .. but you cant
you could enter any dungeon at v1 .... but you can't
so by every definition of still needing to level to access equipment and content which is gated by a level requirment YOU ARE STILL LEVELLING
the clue is in the rising numerical value and new stuff you can suddenly equip as you rise numerically in character...
Edited by hamon on June 30, 2014 1:34AM3 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Ignorance makes for happy campers.
The day you take the time to compare some damage tests and see how things like armor mitigation does not work for vr1-10 you will see your beloved hard content is nothing more than broken content caused by the mess they did with the Craglorn patch.
When you get to Craglorn and start facerolling 4 mobs packs while struggling to kill packs of 3 at the vr10 zone you will have it pristine clear.
But I guess a happy camper would defend vr1-10 mobs having 95% armor pen is working as intended, as it is the last zone being easier than the previous ones and giving 20 times the experience.
I cleared to v10 zone of cadwells in a Stam build at v6 the only trouble I had was healers were broken and would heal through stuns to full but that was doable.
And with your snide remark on my Ui I have had recount and TF all the way since level 38 . I know in every fight my dps, dtps, HPS . Armor mitigation works the same . I know this because I'm a tank with a bow second spec and track damage taken.
Do not assume I am ignorant because you do not like what I am saying. The issue your relating to is to do with the issue of many . You want it easier . Well grind your way to v12 using Craiglorn groups , they didn't close the window .
But don't complain about the game being too hard or not tuned right. I completed it at v6 using a 'not optimum build' . Because I didn't expect it would be easy and worked my way through it.
It's not that he doesn't like what you're saying, he's assuming you're ignorant because you're actually wrong and misinformed.
And it's nothing to do with "wanting it easier" It's more to do with...skipping the boring grinding process to V12 max level
And to say that veteran ranks isn't hard is just delusion. Some classes and builds can't even kill packs their own level, it's nothing to do with player skill.
Where am I misinformed!
Perhaps you didn't bother to read just thought to [snip]. I can tell you the dps increase from v4 to v8 is around 5-10% full stop. The damage taken is difference is even less to be honest. He was telling me to look at stats when I come from heroic raiding in WoW and always have meters and scrolling text up.
I would rather have a v1 in a vet dungeon that knows what they are doing then a v12 who followed a pack for a day or two.
I know this because I spent my time pugging vet dungeons now and see all comers. V12 , v11 etc the output is not related to ranks like in other game s
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]
Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on June 30, 2014 1:46AM4 -
pinstripesc✭✭✭I agree, it's hard to get this through your head - I think I've only recently realized it myself. I've become exponentially more skilled at dealing with hordes of mobs, and have definitely found that a good amount of my improvement, if not most of it, has been from learning and improving as a player, rather than through numeric upgrades. The difference in gear from rank to rank is pretty insignificant. I do find the rewards in pretty much all of vet to be pretty unsubstantial and inevitable vendor trash, which has shifted my focus away from caring too much about what I'm getting out of a quest and just being content with the fact that I'm making progress.
If you let yourself obsess about your VP bar, you'll probably be disappointed. And if you're expecting fancy rewards besides what you can make for yourself once you rank up, you'll be disappointed too. But if you focus on making yourself a better player, learning your skills, trying different combinations and paying a little attention to the quests you do, you might even find yourself enjoying it.
I use a completely different loadout now than I did when I hit V1 and enjoy it much more, while remaining consistent with the playstyle I like to roll with, and no dresses or sticks were required!
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭All I'm saying is I bet my bottom dollar that all those people who grinded to v12 quickly aren't good players.
Thankfully ZOS is too smart to ruin their game by pandering to casual poor players and those that want to rush through content
There you have it folks. This guys insulting all those who grinded their way to V12, who actually have lives outside of the game, who want to do trails and stuff with their friends but don't want to spend weeks levelling.
He also thinks ZOS is too smart to ruin their game.
oh my.
ps. Max level is actually V1. There is no level 50. 1-49 is your factions levelling process, 1-12 is the other 2 factions + craglorn.
If max level was V1, then craglorn would have been V1. If max level was V1, there would be no stat difference between V1 and V12.
Thanks.
Is that what I said. Insult was it , your sensitive I think. I don't judge people for their choices . It's great you levelled to v12 . Your toon will be marginally more powerful than a v8. If you think it is outrageous that someone who spent 20+ hours roflstomping through Craiglorn will have more class knowledge than someone who did it properly in a challenging way than I cannot help you as your logic would be non existent.
Point is if you grind your way to v12 in easy roflstomping groups in Craiglorn then you will not have developed all the skills required. I have seen this in vet dungeons myself
Getting a little upset are we? I suggest you calm yourself down a bit.
And I never said someone who has spent 20 hours in Craglorn will have more experience than someone who's spent their whole time grinding through the veteran zones.
But to suggest that ALL people who grinded have less skill than people who did the zones is just rude and plain wrong.
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Stratti✭✭✭✭✭This is to the gamers,
Endgame begins at V1 - many people misinterpret how vet works it is a small expansion in soft cap that is all. I am not much more powerful at V8 than I was at v1 stats wise (as a tank) although my experience and knowledge has grown.
Some come here to complain that vet is a grind . Which says to me that they think it's levelling . Levelling ends at 50 . Vet is a level 50 with extra buffed soft caps and better items .
So here is a list of things to do for vet points.
Solo dungeon
Public Dungeon
Cadwells quest ( I completed this at v6 in the v10 levels )
Dolmens
World Bosses
Vet Dungeons - quests are very good and vp rate is high
Content is challenging and fun.
Also guilds we have five slots - at any time I will have some 200 or so players online . Little tip do 4 trade guilds and 1 social/ grouping / dungeon guild
This isn't wow or another MMO where you will be left behind if your not v12 enjoy the endgame stop skipping it and then complaining your bored . Stop feeling anxiety that your levelling slowly when your already levelled
except your just plain wrong. you are still levelling otherwise you could equip all armour/weapons at v1 .. but you cant
you could enter any dungeon at v1 .... but you can't
so by every definition of still needing to level to access equipment and content which is gated by a level requirment YOU ARE STILL LEVELLING
the clue is in the rising numerical value and new stuff you can suddenly equip as you rise numerically in character...
Calm down tiger,
If your levelling then where is the new skills , the greater damage , the greater health pool , the new attributes.
I went from v7-v8 and gained 20 on the softcap on each attribute and 30 on the armor .
They were already overcharged so I gained a few points .
I beg you realise but that doesn't mean you will. People are like that they cling to being wrong even though they don't have evidence of being right. I have been tracking these stats since level 381 -
Loco_Mofo✭✭✭✭✭I thought max level was the maximum level you could reach, which is currently V12...
I guess our definitions differ.
I'm pretty sure everyone at this point understands the end game options available. Main story, dungeons, PvP, these are all pretty standard. The problem is post 50 the main story falls flat. Dungeons may be fun the first time, but there is no reason to repeat them. PvP can be fun at times, but is still bogged down by a lot of issues.
Thanks for personal interpretation anyhow.3 -
demenzia✭✭✭
So you are saying that he people who grinded their ways to A VR 12 are the casuals? If so, they must be pretty hardcore casuals.
I am only VR 8 and I play much more than a casual.
It doesn't mean they are good. Doing anomalies 24/7 won't help you to become better. Many of those who reached vr12 this way may become very disappointed when they go to Cyrodiil and will be killed by skilled VR1 players in every 1v1 fight.2 -
Akhratos✭✭✭✭Ignorance makes for happy campers.
The day you take the time to compare some damage tests and see how things like armor mitigation does not work for vr1-10 you will see your beloved hard content is nothing more than broken content caused by the mess they did with the Craglorn patch.
When you get to Craglorn and start facerolling 4 mobs packs while struggling to kill packs of 3 at the vr10 zone you will have it pristine clear.
But I guess a happy camper would defend vr1-10 mobs having 95% armor pen is working as intended, as it is the last zone being easier than the previous ones and giving 20 times the experience.
I cleared to v10 zone of cadwells in a Stam build at v6 the only trouble I had was healers were broken and would heal through stuns to full but that was doable.
And with your snide remark on my Ui I have had recount and TF all the way since level 38 . I know in every fight my dps, dtps, HPS . Armor mitigation works the same . I know this because I'm a tank with a bow second spec and track damage taken.
Do not assume I am ignorant because you do not like what I am saying. The issue your relating to is to do with the issue of many . You want it easier . Well grind your way to v12 using Craiglorn groups , they didn't close the window .
But don't complain about the game being too hard or not tuned right. I completed it at v6 using a 'not optimum build' . Because I didn't expect it would be easy and worked my way through it.
Armor mitigation works the same?
I dont care what level you made the last alliance vr zone.
I did not even say it was difficult to me. I cleared every area up to craglorn surely better than you did as I did not miss 6 levels and never played pvp until vr12. I cleared every dolmen, world boss, public, group or delve dungeon as well, but you dont care about it.
I might assume your ignorance but you make it clear if you start talking about your dps.
You are free to test the differences while at 0 armor and 7/7 heavy for mobs light/heavy attacks and compare the damage incoming difference between both in the vr1-10 areas and then in Craglorn for trash mobs. If you ever know how to do it.
And maybe stop wasting your time watching your dps thinking it makes you a better player so you can come to the forums and act elitist about your game experiences and instead, start running real tests?
Thats my advice for you. Your personal feelings about the difficulty degree of some content does not imply such content is bugged or not. Mobs ignoring most of the player armor while suddenly, higher level mobs do not, does.
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭This is to the gamers,
Endgame begins at V1 - many people misinterpret how vet works it is a small expansion in soft cap that is all. I am not much more powerful at V8 than I was at v1 stats wise (as a tank) although my experience and knowledge has grown.
Some come here to complain that vet is a grind . Which says to me that they think it's levelling . Levelling ends at 50 . Vet is a level 50 with extra buffed soft caps and better items .
So here is a list of things to do for vet points.
Solo dungeon
Public Dungeon
Cadwells quest ( I completed this at v6 in the v10 levels )
Dolmens
World Bosses
Vet Dungeons - quests are very good and vp rate is high
Content is challenging and fun.
Also guilds we have five slots - at any time I will have some 200 or so players online . Little tip do 4 trade guilds and 1 social/ grouping / dungeon guild
This isn't wow or another MMO where you will be left behind if your not v12 enjoy the endgame stop skipping it and then complaining your bored . Stop feeling anxiety that your levelling slowly when your already levelled
except your just plain wrong. you are still levelling otherwise you could equip all armour/weapons at v1 .. but you cant
you could enter any dungeon at v1 .... but you can't
so by every definition of still needing to level to access equipment and content which is gated by a level requirment YOU ARE STILL LEVELLING
the clue is in the rising numerical value and new stuff you can suddenly equip as you rise numerically in character...
Calm down tiger,
If your levelling then where is the new skills , the greater damage , the greater health pool , the new attributes.
I went from v7-v8 and gained 20 on the softcap on each attribute and 30 on the armor .
They were already overcharged so I gained a few points .
I beg you realise but that doesn't mean you will. People are like that they cling to being wrong even though they don't have evidence of being right. I have been tracking these stats since level 38
The greater damage comes from the weapons, the armor, the glyphs when you are levelling up. You just said you gained 20 on the soft cap and 30 on the armor, so you've just contradicted yourself.
You're probably convinced the world is shaped like a triangle, there's a point where people have to stop show you the evidence and leave you be.1 -
Akhratos✭✭✭✭If you have any real interest Id suggest you a quick forum search about the matter. It is widely known among those of us who either:
Read posts for other reasons besides white knighting.
Like to run some tests when something does not feel right (dps metter!=test).0 -
hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is to the gamers,
Endgame begins at V1 - many people misinterpret how vet works it is a small expansion in soft cap that is all. I am not much more powerful at V8 than I was at v1 stats wise (as a tank) although my experience and knowledge has grown.
Some come here to complain that vet is a grind . Which says to me that they think it's levelling . Levelling ends at 50 . Vet is a level 50 with extra buffed soft caps and better items .
So here is a list of things to do for vet points.
Solo dungeon
Public Dungeon
Cadwells quest ( I completed this at v6 in the v10 levels )
Dolmens
World Bosses
Vet Dungeons - quests are very good and vp rate is high
Content is challenging and fun.
Also guilds we have five slots - at any time I will have some 200 or so players online . Little tip do 4 trade guilds and 1 social/ grouping / dungeon guild
This isn't wow or another MMO where you will be left behind if your not v12 enjoy the endgame stop skipping it and then complaining your bored . Stop feeling anxiety that your levelling slowly when your already levelled
except your just plain wrong. you are still levelling otherwise you could equip all armour/weapons at v1 .. but you cant
you could enter any dungeon at v1 .... but you can't
so by every definition of still needing to level to access equipment and content which is gated by a level requirment YOU ARE STILL LEVELLING
the clue is in the rising numerical value and new stuff you can suddenly equip as you rise numerically in character...
Calm down tiger,
If your levelling then where is the new skills , the greater damage , the greater health pool , the new attributes.
I went from v7-v8 and gained 20 on the softcap on each attribute and 30 on the armor .
They were already overcharged so I gained a few points .
I beg you realise but that doesn't mean you will. People are like that they cling to being wrong even though they don't have evidence of being right. I have been tracking these stats since level 38
levelling doesnt by necessety mean you have to have new skill points or attribute points.. Tho imo it should do. but it does mean you have yet to reach the maximum numerical value needed to access all level gated equipment and content.. its a very simple concept.
if dungeon X requires you be a certain level to get thro the door , clearly you need that character level to get in, same with gear..
you are just wrong i cant explain it in more simplistic terms.
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eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭This isn't wow or another MMO where you will be left behind if your not v12 enjoy the endgame stop skipping it and then complaining your bored . Stop feeling anxiety that your levelling slowly when your already levelled
You go tell that to the VR1 dude I just one shot with Soul Assault in Cyrodiil.
"GZ, you are endgame material now!"
There is a huge difference in PvP between a fresh VR1 and a fully geared VR12 with all possible skills and passives. Not only the survivability but also raw dmg. It's so extremely unbalanced that you actually need to grind vet ranks to be competitive in PvP.
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hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Implying a V1 fighting V12 enemies in Craglorn " is only a soft cap" and is " challenging and fun"
And max level IS V12. People want to develop their characters, this is an MMO and people WANT to reach max level and get the best gear they can. Unfortunately you have to endure a boring grind of veteran ranks, which has pushed a lot of people away from the game.
Just because you're enjoying the game and think it's challenging and fun, doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same.
Thank you for sharing your personal opinion with us.
Max level is 50
Vet rank max is 12 . I can't make it easier for you but the difference isn't great. I suggest you download soft cap info and judge yourself. My armor for example is about 50 more than it was at v4 at v8 due to diminishing returns .
You think that there shouldn't be a veteran grind then simple do it the fast way. All I'm saying is I bet my bottom dollar that all those people who grinded to v12 quickly aren't good players. I have them in our guild - you go on a run you see.
But anyway how can people like yourself be convinced this game isn't wow . You simply won't be . Thankfully ZOS is too smart to ruin their game by pandering to casual poor players and those that want to rush through content
WoW will have WoD soon you all can go there and leave those behind who care about having a challenging experience rather than a faceroll game full of welfare epics
see now your errors have been pointed out in terms a child could understand you resort to being abusive and ignorant... learn to deal with being wrong like an adult and not lashing out with abuse and you might get taken more seriously.
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