Got all the cyrodiil shards, even the ones behind enemy gates, and did all but 1 solo. That one was the "solo" dungeon with a 3 swords level boss parked next to the shard. Duoed that one.
/flex

thatlaurachick wrote: »

No really, why does Cyrodiil have so much PvE content, like lore books and sky shards?

After waiting until VR to even venture into Cyrodiil, my only two treks have been less than impressive. I'm part of a (mostly) dead campaign, as long as no one is around I'm fine with having to ride for 10 minutes (literally) just to finish a simple fetch quest.

Yet, it's never deserted. Every time I try to do anything in Cyrodill, other players are around and I'm dead in 2 seconds. I don't care to PvP, and I'm not spec'd for it. Anyone have a clue why ZOS insists we all PvP if you want achievements? And now with changing how campaigns work, no campaign will ever be deserted.

so dont pvp then. are you suggesting because you dont like pvp there should be no content for people who like both? some of my most memorable experiences in cryodiil were doing pve with some people and crossing enemy players in towns and skyshards and batteling.
maybe find a couple friends and do the pve in groups of 3-4. if you solo pvp you will die. unless your the kind to make a 1v1 build and just camp out hoping a lone pve player will show up. they will always beat you, but if you have a group you will enjoy ruining they're camping trip
if you want every achievement in a game, play the kind of game where you like the content, dont come here wanting to diminish the game and others' experience because it isnt what you personally want.

Honestly, if you don't like the added challenge out there in Cyrodiil, don't go there. It's really very simple.
Cyrodiil is there for players that like PvP/PvE in the style that area provides. If you don't, well you're crazy to go out there then. It's not for everyone.

I hate PvP. I will never want to enter Cryodil. However, if one wants the skyshards one must enter this zone in order to get them. This is forced play, not play how you want.

For those who detest PvP they will have to go without and make do with what PvE has to offer. The game developers are quite aware that there is a vast amount of people who will never play PvP yet ignored them in respect to skyshards and what ever else PvE related is obtained within this zone.

If those that play PvP chose not to do PvE, they still can enter PvE, drop into the dungeons, grab the skyshards, get lore books without ever having to do a single quest if this was their choice, but those not wanting to do PvP are forced to do without. This is unfair and totally lacking in fair play and balance.

Don't say "No one is forcing you, it is your decision". The decision is based on the fact that being killed by player characters is not our idea of fun. PvE and PvP should never be in the same game unless it is arena or duel style. It never works and never will.

<p>There is a cost to those achievements.  You have to survive a pvp zone to get them.  </p><p>Your inner achievement *** needs to get in a fight with the pvp coward inside you.  I know it's against your nature, since your a pvp coward and all.  </p><p><br></p><p>If you really want them, go claim them.  If you don't want them bad enough, then admit you don't want them and leave them where they are.  </p>

gladen5rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I hate PvP. I will never want to enter Cryodil. However, if one wants the skyshards one must enter this zone in order to get them. This is forced play, not play how you want.

For those who detest PvP they will have to go without and make do with what PvE has to offer. The game developers are quite aware that there is a vast amount of people who will never play PvP yet ignored them in respect to skyshards and what ever else PvE related is obtained within this zone.

If those that play PvP chose not to do PvE, they still can enter PvE, drop into the dungeons, grab the skyshards, get lore books without ever having to do a single quest if this was their choice, but those not wanting to do PvP are forced to do without. This is unfair and totally lacking in fair play and balance.

Don't say "No one is forcing you, it is your decision". The decision is based on the fact that being killed by player characters is not our idea of fun. PvE and PvP should never be in the same game unless it is arena or duel style. It never works and never will.

Actually there are around 50 skill points in the game that do require one to do quests. And not only complete a quest per skill point but 3 or 4 quests chains per point. Group dungeon also require completion of quests and that is another 30 skill points that require questing. In order to get to VR rank where the real pvp takes place you are also have to complete the main quest . The Cyrodill skyshards give 15 skill points these do not require pvp just doing a delves with a risk of getting ganked,which is 0 risk in some campaigns .The pvp ranks give 50 points but most people do not have more than 15 ranks by now. These 50 point are the only permanent reward for pvp the rest is about 5 green vendor trash items per session. The pvp sets items cost more AP than the average player makes during an entire campaign and they are not that stellar either.

I think that it is ridiculous to request that pvp have absolutely no reward since you do not like it. In truth the only advantage a player that did both all the PVE content and ranked up to 50 will have 300+ skilll point while a PVE only player will have 250-260 which maybe allows you to do all crafting on one char and have an extra weapon with all the skills.

thatlaurachick wrote: »

No really, why does Cyrodiil have so much PvE content, like lore books and sky shards?

After waiting until VR to even venture into Cyrodiil, my only two treks have been less than impressive. I'm part of a (mostly) dead campaign, as long as no one is around I'm fine with having to ride for 10 minutes (literally) just to finish a simple fetch quest.

Yet, it's never deserted. Every time I try to do anything in Cyrodill, other players are around and I'm dead in 2 seconds. I don't care to PvP, and I'm not spec'd for it. Anyone have a clue why ZOS insists we all PvP if you want achievements? And now with changing how campaigns work, no campaign will ever be deserted.

Its always like that. Its completly normal. Stop such threads what has no sense.

gladen5rwb17_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

gladen5rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I hate PvP. I will never want to enter Cryodil. However, if one wants the skyshards one must enter this zone in order to get them. This is forced play, not play how you want.

For those who detest PvP they will have to go without and make do with what PvE has to offer. The game developers are quite aware that there is a vast amount of people who will never play PvP yet ignored them in respect to skyshards and what ever else PvE related is obtained within this zone.

If those that play PvP chose not to do PvE, they still can enter PvE, drop into the dungeons, grab the skyshards, get lore books without ever having to do a single quest if this was their choice, but those not wanting to do PvP are forced to do without. This is unfair and totally lacking in fair play and balance.

Don't say "No one is forcing you, it is your decision". The decision is based on the fact that being killed by player characters is not our idea of fun. PvE and PvP should never be in the same game unless it is arena or duel style. It never works and never will.

Actually there are around 50 skill points in the game that do require one to do quests. And not only complete a quest per skill point but 3 or 4 quests chains per point. Group dungeon also require completion of quests and that is another 30 skill points that require questing. In order to get to VR rank where the real pvp takes place you are also have to complete the main quest . The Cyrodill skyshards give 15 skill points these do not require pvp just doing a delves with a risk of getting ganked,which is 0 risk in some campaigns .The pvp ranks give 50 points but most people do not have more than 15 ranks by now. These 50 point are the only permanent reward for pvp the rest is about 5 green vendor trash items per session. The pvp sets items cost more AP than the average player makes during an entire campaign and they are not that stellar either.

I think that it is ridiculous to request that pvp have absolutely no reward since you do not like it. In truth the only advantage a player that did both all the PVE content and ranked up to 50 will have 300+ skilll point while a PVE only player will have 250-260 which maybe allows you to do all crafting on one char and have an extra weapon with all the skills.

I did not say anything about PvP having no reward because I do not like it. Please read my post again. Neither did I mention 4 man dungeons in PvE, but public dungeons and lore books. No quests are required to gain these skyshards.

I do wish people would read a post thoroughly before replying.

Yes people should read before replying . Just like you didn't read about more than +50 skill points you can get only if you do most of the pve quests in normal and VR zones. Also just like you didn't even read your post which implies that people can get an 'unfair' advantage by doing only pvp. At the moment less than 1/6 of all skill point can be obtained by doing pvp and at the moment most people that do pvp got ~10-15 skill points from pvp ranks in 3 months since they do require a lot of time spent in pvp. The only really worthy rewards in this game are skill points at the moment saying that they shouldn't be given as a reward for pvp is more or less saying that there shouldn't be any rewards for pvp.
@gladen5rwb17_ESO
Another look at your original post

gladen5rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I hate PvP. I will never want to enter Cryodil. However, if one wants the skyshards one must enter this zone in order to get them. This is forced play, not play how you want.

For those who detest PvP they will have to go without and make do with what PvE has to offer.That is~250 of 300 skill points. The game developers are quite aware that there is a vast amount of people who will never play PvP yet ignored them in respect to skyshards and what ever else PvE related is obtained within this zone( A total of 65 skill points of only which about 30 are obtainable without a pretty damn huge time investment.).

If those that play PvP chose not to do PvE, they still can enter PvE, drop into the dungeons, grab the skyshards (Contradiction they chose not to do pve but then they do a bunch of it.) , get lore books without ever having to do a single quest if this was their choice, but those not wanting to do PvP are forced to do without.(What you say here is that people are forced to do PVE content to get skill points. Quest or no quest still PVE, and the main quest completion is a requirement for Veteran rank which is very important for pvp) This is unfair and totally lacking in fair play and balance.(Not at all, people that chose to do all the content in the game should have a slight advantage and at 300 skill points it is a very slight advantage. Also where exactlly is the competition between pure pvpers and PVEers and the majority that actually do both)

Don't say "No one is forcing you, it is your decision". The decision is based on the fact that being killed by player characters is not our idea of fun. (Some people don't think running about 150 PVE delves is fun either. ) PvE and PvP should never be in the same game unless it is arena or duel style. It never works and never will.(Works pretty damn well in most MMOS since most have some type of PVP outside of arenas or duels)

Gisgo wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

That's correct and the 1 aspect of the game you probably wouldn't be here. Its doesn't seem like the entire game is based around this but a small portion of it. Seem to me like for a pvp game your forced to do a HECK of a LOT of PVE.

Your point being?
Are you still trying to argue your opinion is worth more than mine because you are a pver?

As i already said my money isnt worth less than yours.

If they didn't have pvp when it was released no one would of even noticed. This is elder scrolls first mmo second.