Mortosk wrote: »

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

You'll start to lose interest in the game, and only log in to feed your 2nd and 3rd horse and do the last of your 6-8 trait research. Eventually, you will probably give up and go back to WoW. Or give Wildstar a try.

Thats how I feel, except of the WoW-thing...never played it and never will play wow or Wildstar....to much comicstyle for me....I will wait for Camelot unchained.

I can tell you that you have the correct consern. When you hit vr you have to play through all other faction storylines. So if you are bringing up 3 toons in different factions....guess what...it doesn't matter you'll have to play through it all over again with each toon...so it really feels forced to play. Since now all the required quest are laid out you loose that sense of open world...because it's a defined path....The drops become even less exciting and there are less people to group with in vr zones because it is boring. They really screwed up the main idea of a rpg...because the rewards and loot don't match the difficulty...There becomes even less thrill the higher you get. Leveling 1 to 50 is much better then v1 to v12.

born2beagator wrote: »

If I leave this game it won't be for another mmo, I'll just be done with mmos for a while. Have not Interest in World of Cartooncraft or Cartoonstar

LOL! Be careful, I had a guy in one of my ESO guilds here swear up and down he would never play WoWstar - that he HATED the cartoon graphics and felt it was too childish. He just left ESO and is playing WS now....

However, it's more to do with he hit VR6 zone and found no one to do any content with. Also, his wife and online friends all left ESO for WS. So, it has less to do with him preferring WS over ESO, but more to do with that's where his peoples went. I expect/hope he'll be back in a little bit looking for more VR population.

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

However I am genuinely concerned about how my enjoyment will be effected once I hit VR. I have heard that it turns into a grind fest, which is very difficult for someone to solo and even more so for a Templar and especially Tank specced.

The game's distraction based game play is designed in many ways to be the polar opposite of grinding. That said, some players are capable of finding grind (which I now usually translate now as game play focused only on progression, as opposed to there literally being only one viable in game activity) in virtually any MMO . From a different perspective, look at the complains re. grind (don't like grinding dungeons, don't like grinding mobs, don't like grinding crafting, don't like grinding quests, ...) and ask your self if there is any way you would be able to create an MMO that satisfied all or even most of the "grind" complaints you see while not completely trivializing progression.

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

Also tanking dungeons is (and always has been in other MMO’s) one of my favorite things to do in ESO and what worries me more is that I've heard that Templar tanks are just not wanted in groups.

Right now, based solely on their class skill set, DK's are the most natural tanks, and Sorcerers are a close second. NB and Templars need to supplement their class skill sets with other skill lines (usually Mages Guild) to round out their skills. So any class can tank and do so at a high level as long as you don't limit yourself to severely to class skills.

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

ESO is the most fun I’ve had playing a video game in a very long time. I love the game mechanics, the story, the presentation, the graphics, playing solo and grouping with people for dungeons and just randomly while questing. I am a level 42 Templar S&B tank and I have had an absolute blast up until this point.

However I am genuinely concerned about how my enjoyment will be effected once I hit VR. I have heard that it turns into a grind fest, which is very difficult for someone to solo and even more so for a Templar and especially Tank speced. Also tanking dungeons is (and always has been in other MMO’s) one of my favourite things to do in ESO and what worries me more is that I’ve heard that Templar tanks are just not wanted in groups.

Are these valid concerns or am I putting too much faith in the vocal % of the players?

In the end it won’t be the end of my ESO time is this is the case (at least not immediately). I will just roll alts until things are changed or the difficulty/balance are tweaked or I will find someone to level with.

Yes and no. You will gain levels slower in VR then between 1-50. It takes about the same amount of time to get from 1-50 as it does to get from v1-v12 if you are soloing only. However if you grind exp in a group in Craglorn you can do it relatively quicker then solo.

Content gets harder yes... Its less room for errors, but as long as you pay attention it's not that hard.

Templar tanks... Well soloing with a templar tank build is totally ok in VR content. For groups it's ok too if you don't group up with a munch of noobs that think they should not have to do any CC what so ever.

Vet ranks are fine with me except the game is bass ackwards the way it now plays out.

1-50 is designed so that you can play mostly solo, but there are enough people running around so groups form even when unintended some times.....and help is pretty much always just around the corner.

Vet levels are where grouping really becomes important as designed........except, there aren't enough people running around to get the unintended help, and sometimes you can't even get your intended help.

I have a VR8 DK and VR8 Sorcerer ......both are forced into solo play on a regular basis because of the slow grouping play out in vet ranks.

Thank GOD for the chat window......it will find you some amount of help (although you may need to beg a little),.......... sometimes.

Stratti wrote: »

Meh. I disagree with the Naysers. I levelled to v8 through solo dungekns and the main quest line. I also tank vet and have a blast. The content is challenging but not hard. Learn to use two specs as if they were 1 . Get volcanic rune and be smart about your play. People who complain are doing so because the game isn't faceroll and they want to be v12 yesterday. Enjoy the ride and master your toon.

I see comments like this all the time that mistake the complaints about vet levels as "its too hard" ones. That's not always what people are saying. For many of us it's that vet levels are too repetitive, unrewarding, and there is no new story line. Fighting the mobs that it takes to get to a boss can be more challenging the boss itself which gives it a feeling of just being flat.

Im glad i got to v12 fast via the annomally train before they nerfed it, cant imagine redoing a alt thru normal questing in vet levels.

OP, I've been worried too and started leveling couple alts in advance but what I found was that VR is actually quite fun. People talk a lot about quest grind, but this is valid only for hardcore players who spend 5-10 hours a day on the game. I manage to play 2-3 hours a day and I don't feel like I'm grinding something. Quests vary a lot and they are pretty fun or at least most of them are.

Also, since I've been constantly over-leveled in normal content VR is a breath of fresh air, since there actually is a decent level of challenge (though I'm also over-leveled in VR too ).

I reckon, you should just try it and see for yourself. You may need to respec once or twice to find a build that works best for your play style, but after that you might like it just like I do.

Hail VR levels!

...oh, and yes, I'm a DK, Nord and use destro staff on my main bar so the experience might be a bit different for a Templar tank

Take all the skills you lvled up with and start from ground zero...think...enemies will now hit you like a truck..some like a freight train unexpectedly. You need to adapt to this. As Templar you have more utility at your disposal than any class our strong points are heals and utility..we lack in damage....so abuse your utility.

The new puncturing sweep is amazing. Used in conjunctiin with blazing shield you have a solid balance of defense and damage. Always have both defense and offense on both bars. Sneak before opening, that extra chance to crit is a game changer. Don't use anything with a cast time anymore...dark flare or beam are now to much of a risk because you are vulnerable while channeling.

Hope this helps. GL out there.

I only hope they fix trash mobs damage so example skeletal warrior throw dagger won't hit me 1354 dmg. That is way to much for my sorcerer.

And that was vet 1 zone yesterday.

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Lithion wrote: »

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

ESO is the most fun I’ve had playing a video game in a very long time. I love the game mechanics, the story, the presentation, the graphics, playing solo and grouping with people for dungeons and just randomly while questing. I am a level 42 Templar S&B tank and I have had an absolute blast up until this point.

However I am genuinely concerned about how my enjoyment will be effected once I hit VR. I have heard that it turns into a grind fest, which is very difficult for someone to solo and even more so for a Templar and especially Tank speced. Also tanking dungeons is (and always has been in other MMO’s) one of my favourite things to do in ESO and what worries me more is that I’ve heard that Templar tanks are just not wanted in groups.

Are these valid concerns or am I putting too much faith in the vocal % of the players?

In the end it won’t be the end of my ESO time is this is the case (at least not immediately). I will just roll alts until things are changed or the difficulty/balance are tweaked or I will find someone to level with.

Wow...it seems like a lot of what you said came directly out of my own brain. I was thinking the exact same things for the past few days.

I'm a lvl 46 DK and I roll S&B plus resto staff, or 2h plus resto, and I'm concerned about VR because I've heard it's quite a grind. And like someone said earlier, if something is a grind, I just don't do it. I play for fun, and if the game stops being fun at any point, I'm out. I am not goal-oriented enough to survive lengthy grinds.

That said, I really have loved the game so much up to this point! It has been the best leveling experience I've had in any game. But it has taken me a long time just to hit lvl 46. I listen to all the dialogue and I go off on tangents all the time, so I'm concerned about how many months it'll take me to get to VR12. It would be a real shame if the game stopped being fun in the VR zones. I'd like to stick it out for the long haul.

I expect to break up the questing with frequent PvP, and I may even start questing in Cyrodiil again (was much faster xp than regular 1-50 zones). Hopefully that will get me through what could be a VERY lengthy leveling process.

It is very lengthy indeed. In fact, 1-50 is only 1/3 of the progression. This will become clear to you very soon after you do a few quests in the VR1 zone. It will take roughly the same amount of game time to go from VR1-5 as it does to go from 1-50.

This really concerns me because it has taken me this long to hit level 42 (and I've really liked the pacing thus far although as with the above poster I have listened to all dialog and done random exploring). I really want to become an end game tank but I just do not have that much free time.

Another thing that further worries me is people saying I need to 'adapt'. Adapting my play style would be learning the tactics/patterns/moves of my enemies and which of MY skills are best used in each situation. Having to change my weapons and armour is not adapting, its completely changing my character into a different one.

If you're liking the pace, I don't understand your concern.

And who suggested that adapting meant having to change weapons and armour? Apart from you that is.

When I talk about adapting, I mean experimenting with the skills you have available, keeping gear relatively current and wearing sets that compliment your style and class.

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

ESO is the most fun I’ve had playing a video game in a very long time. I love the game mechanics, the story, the presentation, the graphics, playing solo and grouping with people for dungeons and just randomly while questing. I am a level 42 Templar S&B tank and I have had an absolute blast up until this point.

However I am genuinely concerned about how my enjoyment will be effected once I hit VR. I have heard that it turns into a grind fest, which is very difficult for someone to solo and even more so for a Templar and especially Tank speced. Also tanking dungeons is (and always has been in other MMO’s) one of my favourite things to do in ESO and what worries me more is that I’ve heard that Templar tanks are just not wanted in groups.

Are these valid concerns or am I putting too much faith in the vocal % of the players?

In the end it won’t be the end of my ESO time is this is the case (at least not immediately). I will just roll alts until things are changed or the difficulty/balance are tweaked or I will find someone to level with.

Be afraid....be very very afraid! VR1 is not bad. VR2 it gets worse but still doable. VR3 is when you will start dying from trash mobs.

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

ESO is the most fun I’ve had playing a video game in a very long time. I love the game mechanics, the story, the presentation, the graphics, playing solo and grouping with people for dungeons and just randomly while questing. I am a level 42 Templar S&B tank and I have had an absolute blast up until this point.

However I am genuinely concerned about how my enjoyment will be effected once I hit VR. I have heard that it turns into a grind fest, which is very difficult for someone to solo and even more so for a Templar and especially Tank speced. Also tanking dungeons is (and always has been in other MMO’s) one of my favourite things to do in ESO and what worries me more is that I’ve heard that Templar tanks are just not wanted in groups.

Are these valid concerns or am I putting too much faith in the vocal % of the players?

In the end it won’t be the end of my ESO time is this is the case (at least not immediately). I will just roll alts until things are changed or the difficulty/balance are tweaked or I will find someone to level with.

There's a lot of negativity about VR content at the moment, but the vast majority of it is simply unfounded. So worry not! Remember you always must be extremely critical of what you hear on forums from other players, for more often than not it's by the vocal minority.

Thankfully, everything you stated that you enjoy in your opening paragraph hardly changes one little bit when you reach VR content. If those things are truly important to you you'll actually find VR content to just as enjoyable, if not more so, than before. Yes the enemies are less forgiving in battle if you don't block their blockable attacks, don't interrupt them, or don't move out of that pool of fire you're standing in. And yes, Veteran dungeons in a similar way are significantly more challenging, but that is as it should be. If you have any small semblance of skill and you know how to actually react to enemies in combat you will be more than fine.

On the whole, the actual experience of VR content hardly resembles what some people on the forums here go on about. I'd simply suggest you experience it for yourself with an open mind.

AngryWolf wrote: »

So...I'm in area 5 of my pact, at around level 45, hopefully hit 50 by the time I finish it. What do you after you finish the 5 area. Are there more places to go other than the forced group content? It's an MMO and that's part of it I know, but are you forced to group from level 50 on?

You only need to group for the same things that you had to group for pre VR. Dolmens, world bosses, group dungeons. The normal quests are perfectly soloable.