So, Why does Nightblades have an Unbreakable Stun?

Xsorus · June 2014

Been seeing this in PvP lately, They stun ya, and you're CCed the entire time and can't break out of it.

iaintoff · June 2014

You have like a split second to react to there arms goin up in the air before pounce. I just love popping bolt escape when I see tha, vicious curse to proc crystals frags and good night.

Xsorus · June 2014

iaintoff wrote: »

You have like a split second to react to there arms goin up in the air before pounce. I just love popping bolt escape when I see tha, vicious curse to proc crystals frags and good night.

Like its unbreakable, as in I can't use Stun Break on the stun, No class in the game should have an unbreakable stun.

NakedSnake · June 2014

OP is talking about Veiled Strike.
As the ambush assassin class its obvious we should have a move like this. The move itself is purely situational and requires a setup. I think your issue is why does no one else have one.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Like its unbreakable, as in I can't use Stun Break on the stun, No class in the game should have an unbreakable stun.

Why not?

SaibotLiu · June 2014

This is a travesty. If I knew they were going to allow the common rabble and the *** to have unbreakable stuns I never would've bought this game. This is clearly some egregious error in the code. I expect this to be updated from "nightblade" to "dragon knight" next patch, unbreakable stuns are a DK signature move, talons are just for the lulz.

Xsorus · June 2014

SaibotLiu wrote: »

This is a travesty. If I knew they were going to allow the common rabble and the *** to have unbreakable stuns I never would've bought this game. This is clearly some egregious error in the code. I expect this to be updated from "nightblade" to "dragon knight" next patch, unbreakable stuns are a DK signature move, talons are just for the lulz.

Did you just compare a Root you can roll out of with an unbreakable stun?

Rofl....

Xsorus · June 2014

NakedSnake wrote: »

OP is talking about Veiled Strike.
As the ambush assassin class its obvious we should have a move like this. The move itself is purely situational and requires a setup. I think your issue is why does no one else have one.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Like its unbreakable, as in I can't use Stun Break on the stun, No class in the game should have an unbreakable stun.

Why not?

Do i have to explain why having an unbreakable stun on the highest burst class in the game is moronic? I didn't think that really needed an explanation.

Now i realize some of you NB's have "issues" with thinking you're a terrible class...But seriously..quit being dumb

eliisra · June 2014

NakedSnake wrote: »

Why not?

Because you can kill someone in 4 seconds...

Therefore you cant have unbreakable 4 sec cc. Players should be able to fight back before they die.

If this game had some sort of PvP player dmg reduction or less burst, it would be more acceptable with longer unbreakable cc. But as it is now, even the damn animation from knock down might leave you at 15-20% health before you get back up.

Xsorus · June 2014

I'm sorry, can you please offer some more insightful wisdom about how a Root gives you trouble on an NB....while telling us how an unbreakable stun is perfectly fine.

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Xsorus · June 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnvKToIPj7M&feature=youtu.be

Video to give ya an idea, I think it maybe Ambush that's causing it..Not Veiled Strike (though i'm hit with it right afterward, but I was stunned anyway, so maybe it doubles up on the stun or something)

SaibotLiu · June 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

This is a travesty. If I knew they were going to allow the common rabble and the *** to have unbreakable stuns I never would've bought this game. This is clearly some egregious error in the code. I expect this to be updated from "nightblade" to "dragon knight" next patch, unbreakable stuns are a DK signature move, talons are just for the lulz.

Did you just compare a Root you can roll out of with an unbreakable stun?

Rofl....

Not at all sweetheart. I'll be along shortly with some oreos and a small dixie cup full of koolaid for you and we can talk about your feelings. I know how hard it must be being a DK that got ruined by a NB.

I'm sorry, can you please offer some more insightful wisdom about how a Root gives you trouble on an NB....while telling us how an unbreakable stun is perfectly fine.

I vividly remember saying talons were for the lulz. PRO TIP: even though two things may be mentioned together, or even in adjacent sentences, it doesnt necessarily mean any comparison was made unless otherwise implied.

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Liquid_Time · June 2014

Oh... for a moment there I though we could take on 6 players before we die...

Xsorus · June 2014

SaibotLiu wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

This is a travesty. If I knew they were going to allow the common rabble and the *** to have unbreakable stuns I never would've bought this game. This is clearly some egregious error in the code. I expect this to be updated from "nightblade" to "dragon knight" next patch, unbreakable stuns are a DK signature move, talons are just for the lulz.

Did you just compare a Root you can roll out of with an unbreakable stun?

Rofl....

Not at all sweetheart. I'll be along shortly with some oreos and a small dixie cup full of koolaid for you and we can talk about your feelings. I know how hard it must be being a DK that got ruined by a NB.

I'm sorry, can you please offer some more insightful wisdom about how a Root gives you trouble on an NB....while telling us how an unbreakable stun is perfectly fine.

I vividly remember saying talons were for the lulz. PRO TIP: even though two things may be mentioned together, or even in adjacent sentences, it doesnt necessarily mean any comparison was made unless otherwise implied.

What are you whining about now?

And yet..You still compared the two..

Its ok though, I understand roots might be difficult and all.

badmojo · June 2014

You were hit twice with the crystal blast, which knocks you down for 2 seconds, while also being hit by concealed weapon which stuns for 4 seconds.

Basically you were caught by what looks like 4+ people and promptly executed. I don't see the problem here.

LonePirate · June 2014

ZOS needs to give the other three classes an unbreakable stun or this overpowered NB ability needs to be nerfed.

Xsorus · June 2014

badmojo wrote: »

You were hit twice with the crystal blast, which knocks you down for 2 seconds, while also being hit by concealed weapon which stuns for 4 seconds.

Basically you were caught by what looks like 4+ people and promptly executed. I don't see the problem here.

I don't mind that I was executed by four people (I was pretty much dead even if I broke out of the stun), what I do mind is i'm spamming the stun break, and nothing happens..I started spamming the second I got hit by the Ambush. You can clearly see I didn't break any of the CC as my Stamina Bar never moves.

Xsorus · June 2014

LonePirate wrote: »

ZOS needs to give the other three classes an unbreakable stun or this overpowered NB ability needs to be nerfed.

There some is something funky in general with stuns, But this is one of the more blatant ones..Templars actually have one as well...If they charge you (knocking you down) then start spamming biting jabs, You cannot break out of it.

Then there is the other Getting Shield Charged and then rooted while on the ground.

Those generally require at least two moves, This one seems to be just 1 ability.

dcincali · June 2014

Doesn't Matt whats his name play a NB?

badmojo · June 2014

Does ambush even stun players? Tooltip says monsters, I thought it was a PvE skill.

Xsorus · June 2014

dcincali wrote: »

Doesn't Matt whats his name play a NB?

I don't think its intentional, I just now started noticing it since last patch.

They broke something with CC I think.

Xsorus · June 2014

badmojo wrote: »

Does ambush even stun players? Tooltip says monsters, I thought it was a PvE skill.

It appears to be stunning me just fine, Though that could just be from Stealth Knockdown, but I can pretty much break those knockdowns fairly easy.... Maybe that Ambush stun interacts with that Stealth Knockdown?

badmojo · June 2014

After watching the video many times now, it just looks like you're being pelted with so many knockdown and stun abilities back to back, even if you were breaking the stun, it wouldn't matter because another one(different one) hits you as fast as you can break it. There were 3 abilities stunning you, breaking one and getting a short immunity to it, isn't going to stop the other two.

I don't know, that video was a bad example of this problem, that's all I can say.

Xsorus · June 2014

badmojo wrote: »

After watching the video many times now, it just looks like you're being pelted with so many knockdown and stun abilities back to back, even if you were breaking the stun, it wouldn't matter because another one(different one) hits you as fast as you can break it. There were 3 abilities stunning you, breaking one and getting a short immunity to it, isn't going to stop the other two.

I don't know, that video was a bad example of this problem, that's all I can say.

If you break Stun at all, you get immunity, You can see that I wasn't even given the chance to break the stun..Stamina Bar never even moves.

and I would be fine if I broke the stun and got knocked down (actually that'd be annoying but that's a different issue)

I could not break the stun period.

NakedSnake · June 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

OP is talking about Veiled Strike.
As the ambush assassin class its obvious we should have a move like this. The move itself is purely situational and requires a setup. I think your issue is why does no one else have one.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Like its unbreakable, as in I can't use Stun Break on the stun, No class in the game should have an unbreakable stun.

Why not?

Do i have to explain why having an unbreakable stun on the highest burst class in the game is moronic? I didn't think that really needed an explanation.

Now i realize some of you NB's have "issues" with thinking you're a terrible class...But seriously..quit being dumb

eliisra wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

Why not?

Because you can kill someone in 4 seconds...

Therefore you cant have unbreakable 4 sec cc. Players should be able to fight back before they die.

If this game had some sort of PvP player dmg reduction or less burst, it would be more acceptable with longer unbreakable cc. But as it is now, even the damn animation from knock down might leave you at 15-20% health before you get back up.

Veiled Stun is only usable from stealth.
The magic 4 sec over 9000 burst damage you are talking about is only achievable from stealth.
Don't get stealth ganked. L2p issue.

Iorail · June 2014

After watching this video about 12 times, you were hit with 3 different stunts, but the NB stun can be broken, and I have done it many times, you may not be hitting the stunt break correctly or you may not even could hit correctly do to the 3 different stunts applying at the same time or, as of late, the lag and latency on any pvp server will render your complaint obsolete. You can't have a serious argument with the current stunts being broken and the massive lag issues on Cyrodill atm.

Xsorus · June 2014

Iorail wrote: »

After watching this video about 12 times, you were hit with 3 different stunts, but the NB stun can be broken, and I have done it many times, you may not be hitting the stunt break correctly or you may not even could hit correctly do to the 3 different stunts applying at the same time or, as of late, the lag and latency on any pvp server will render your complaint obsolete. You can't have a serious argument with the current stunts being broken and the massive lag issues on Cyrodill atm.

Oh i was hitting it correctly. Claiming that was latency is really silly, as you can see there wasn't any latency going on there.

I was looking at another video, It appears to be related to Ambush from Stealth and behind, That seems to be what is causing the Unbreakable Stun.

Xsorus · June 2014

NakedSnake wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

OP is talking about Veiled Strike.
As the ambush assassin class its obvious we should have a move like this. The move itself is purely situational and requires a setup. I think your issue is why does no one else have one.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Like its unbreakable, as in I can't use Stun Break on the stun, No class in the game should have an unbreakable stun.

Why not?

Do i have to explain why having an unbreakable stun on the highest burst class in the game is moronic? I didn't think that really needed an explanation.

Now i realize some of you NB's have "issues" with thinking you're a terrible class...But seriously..quit being dumb

eliisra wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

Why not?

Because you can kill someone in 4 seconds...

Therefore you cant have unbreakable 4 sec cc. Players should be able to fight back before they die.

If this game had some sort of PvP player dmg reduction or less burst, it would be more acceptable with longer unbreakable cc. But as it is now, even the damn animation from knock down might leave you at 15-20% health before you get back up.

Veiled Stun is only usable from stealth.
The magic 4 sec over 9000 burst damage you are talking about is only achievable from stealth.
Don't get stealth ganked. L2p issue.

Its actually not Veiled Strike causing it, but Ambush from Stealth (from behind)

NakedSnake · June 2014

So now you are complaining about a 1.5 sec stun being unfair. Get real.

PlagueMonk · June 2014

NakedSnake wrote: »

Do i have to explain why having an unbreakable stun on the highest burst class in the game is moronic? I didn't think that really needed an explanation.

Now i realize some of you NB's have "issues" with thinking you're a terrible class...But seriously..quit being dumb

Seriously you are complaining about a single target NB ability when it is supposed to be WHAT NB's DO??? This skill line is called "Assassinate" after all and not, "give the enemy a chance"

What you seem to be missing however are the facts that, 1) has to be done from stealth, and 2) we have to be within melee range.

Considering the amount of times Ive been nuked to death or mowed down with arrows from range, knocked down, rooted or otherwise locked down by other classes and insta killed, you have zero room to talk. Where is my ability to, "fight back" in these situations, hum?

If you get caught out on your own and not running magelight then you deserve to be killed if a NB is lucky enough to find you.

Xsorus · June 2014

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Do i have to explain why having an unbreakable stun on the highest burst class in the game is moronic? I didn't think that really needed an explanation.

Now i realize some of you NB's have "issues" with thinking you're a terrible class...But seriously..quit being dumb

Seriously you are complaining about a single target NB ability when it is supposed to be WHAT NB's DO???

What you seem to be missing however are the facts that, 1) has to be done from stealth, and 2) we have to be within melee range.

Considering the amount of times Ive been nuked to death or mowed down with arrows from range, knocked down or otherwise locked down by other classes and insta killed, you have zero room to talk.

If you get caught out on your own and not running magelight then you deserve to be killed if a NB is lucky enough to find you.

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A. This whole "its suppose to be what NB's do" thing is rather old, You're not the only assassin in this game... This game doesn't give you the ability to be the special snow flake that lets ya stealth and one shot people or whatever moronic assumption you think applies to the Nightblade

B. It only has to be done from stealth, and it doesn't have to be in melee range. Cause it appears to be Ambush that is causing it. Also none of those two things you mentioned should give you license to have an unbreakable stun.

C. You dying because you don't know how to pop Dark Cloak still doesn't change the fact that Unbreakable stuns are broken in PvP games. Again..All those things happen to me..But I don't have an unbreakable stun..

D. as someone who's ran Magelight, Let me tell ya...Its pretty damn useless for finding stealthers. Also this moronic notion that you deserve to be able to kill anyone while solo doesn't fly in this game, Hell it doesn't fly in any game.

jelliedsoup · June 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Been seeing this in PvP lately, They stun ya, and you're CCed the entire time and can't break out of it.

As an nb who needs to roll out of talons 3 or 4 times before I can get out, and regularly getting stunned and being unable to break it since day 1 this post is very funny.