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Character Deletion Cooldown

Rainsage
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I'm sure I'm not the only player who is frustrated by this new character deletion cooldown. No, I'm neither a bot nor a spammer.

I'm a new player trying out the different alliances/races/classes and I use the same character name with each reroll. I'm out of deletions. I have no idea how long it takes to refresh the cooldown, so I've been waiting over a day to make the character I want.

If this cooldown mechanism has to stay in place, would it be too much to ask for a display of the timer at the character creation screen? Also, couldn't the cooldown be shortened and still achieve the objective of why it was implemented in the first place?

Thanks.
  • Pele
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    I think it's fine as is, though a timer would be nice.
  • AlexDougherty
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    I didn't know they had implemented it, but I think I know why.

    Bots.

    Bot makers have a habit of deleting characters to help circumvent limitations within a game. They create a character, send it harvesting, then after a period delete it, so that any complaints about the character disappear.

    It's a bit stupid to me, but then I don't use bots.

    The cooldown was preposed by several people as a measure to discourage botting, since the deletion of a character now carries consequences, which means the new botters will have to utilise a different method to stay under the radar.
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  • Arsenic_Touch
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    I didn't know they had implemented it, but I think I know why.

    Bots.

    Bot makers have a habit of deleting characters to help circumvent limitations within a game. They create a character, send it harvesting, then after a period delete it, so that any complaints about the character disappear.

    It's a bit stupid to me, but then I don't use bots.

    The cooldown was preposed by several people as a measure to discourage botting, since the deletion of a character now carries consequences, which means the new botters will have to utilise a different method to stay under the radar.

    Not quite. There were quests that gave a gold reward that could be done in minutes, they would run to it, turn the quest in, bank the gold, delete the character, rinse and repeat. Since ignore lists and complaints work on the accounts, not the character names, it doesn't matter if they deleted the characters.

    As for the people complaining. You have more than enough character slots to create a character and figure out if you like it or not, there's no real need for you to continue remaking and deleting characters over and over again, so the counter is pretty much a non issue.
    Edited by Arsenic_Touch on June 28, 2014 12:17PM
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  • Nox_Aeterna
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    I didn't know they had implemented it, but I think I know why.

    Bots.

    Bot makers have a habit of deleting characters to help circumvent limitations within a game. They create a character, send it harvesting, then after a period delete it, so that any complaints about the character disappear.

    It's a bit stupid to me, but then I don't use bots.

    The cooldown was preposed by several people as a measure to discourage botting, since the deletion of a character now carries consequences, which means the new botters will have to utilise a different method to stay under the radar.

    Which just adds to the issue that again , they mess up with players that are following the rules , to deal with bots.

    What zen should do is add away to keep names safe , so that i can create new chars in peace then instead of having to rush because i need to keep the names i made at release safe. GW2 had the 24hrs lock , that kept the name bound to an account even after deletion of a char.
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  • SystemiK
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    The limit is per day, so with luck you can tough it out somehow.
  • Rosveen
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    I honestly never thought this would be a problem.

    What you're doing it a bit pointless. Make a character with the name you want. Keep it. Create a bunch of random characters for testing. Once you're satisfied with the build, delete the original character and create a new one with the same name. Delete the randoms at your leisure.
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    Rosveen wrote: »
    I honestly never thought this would be a problem.

    What you're doing it a bit pointless. Make a character with the name you want. Keep it. Create a bunch of random characters for testing. Once you're satisfied with the build, delete the original character and create a new one with the same name. Delete the randoms at your leisure.

    If you have a limit to how many you can delete , that means you cant create any amount of them for testing , which is the point.

    I was doing it this way before.
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  • Rosveen
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    Rosveen wrote: »
    I honestly never thought this would be a problem.

    What you're doing it a bit pointless. Make a character with the name you want. Keep it. Create a bunch of random characters for testing. Once you're satisfied with the build, delete the original character and create a new one with the same name. Delete the randoms at your leisure.

    If you have a limit to how many you can delete , that means you cant create any amount of them for testing , which is the point.

    I was doing it this way before.
    You have seven slots left. Just how many characters do you need for testing during a single day? :\
  • reggielee
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    a timer is not too much to ask for, plus some sort of warning that there IS a timer... (is there a warning?) would be great to avoid harming legit new players first intro to the game. I am happy they instituted the timer in the first place, tho imo much too late. the farming has been going on for weeks if not a month
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  • nerevarine1138
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    You will get access to 300+ skill points as you play the game, so there's no need to be cautious about how you level a character up or to "experiment" much. This isn't another MMO where you're locked in to a specific playstyle by virtue of your chosen class.
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  • subecsanur
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    Rainsage wrote: »
    I'm sure I'm not the only player who is frustrated by this new character deletion cooldown. No, I'm neither a bot nor a spammer.

    I'm a new player trying out the different alliances/races/classes and I use the same character name with each reroll. I'm out of deletions. I have no idea how long it takes to refresh the cooldown, so I've been waiting over a day to make the character I want.

    If this cooldown mechanism has to stay in place, would it be too much to ask for a display of the timer at the character creation screen? Also, couldn't the cooldown be shortened and still achieve the objective of why it was implemented in the first place?

    Thanks.

    This battle against bot's is a loosing one and hurting more the regular players, you can't tell me there is no way to actually track down in game where the bots are coming from and just directly shut the accounts? R they just too greedy and rather take the subscription these bots give? They have been around since day 1 so obviously they were around in beta, how hard is that to narrow down?
  • nerevarine1138
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    subecsanur wrote: »
    Rainsage wrote: »
    I'm sure I'm not the only player who is frustrated by this new character deletion cooldown. No, I'm neither a bot nor a spammer.

    I'm a new player trying out the different alliances/races/classes and I use the same character name with each reroll. I'm out of deletions. I have no idea how long it takes to refresh the cooldown, so I've been waiting over a day to make the character I want.

    If this cooldown mechanism has to stay in place, would it be too much to ask for a display of the timer at the character creation screen? Also, couldn't the cooldown be shortened and still achieve the objective of why it was implemented in the first place?

    Thanks.

    This battle against bot's is a loosing one and hurting more the regular players, you can't tell me there is no way to actually track down in game where the bots are coming from and just directly shut the accounts? R they just too greedy and rather take the subscription these bots give? They have been around since day 1 so obviously they were around in beta, how hard is that to narrow down?

    VPN, stolen credit cards, compromised accounts, etc.

    Bots and gold-sellers have been around since MMOs started, and developers have never found a way to completely eliminate them. If you want to lay blame on anyone, blame the players who buy gold. They're the only reason this problem exists in the first place.
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  • Thevampirenight
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    they need to add a npc for charater changes and one for hair so that will make it were you don't have to delete for 100 gold
    Edited by Thevampirenight on June 28, 2014 1:39PM
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  • AlexDougherty
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    they need to add a npc for charater changes and one for hair so that will make it were you don't have to delete for 100 gold

    Yes minor changes should be doable in game.
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    Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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  • Nox_Aeterna
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    Rosveen wrote: »
    Rosveen wrote: »
    I honestly never thought this would be a problem.

    What you're doing it a bit pointless. Make a character with the name you want. Keep it. Create a bunch of random characters for testing. Once you're satisfied with the build, delete the original character and create a new one with the same name. Delete the randoms at your leisure.

    If you have a limit to how many you can delete , that means you cant create any amount of them for testing , which is the point.

    I was doing it this way before.
    You have seven slots left. Just how many characters do you need for testing during a single day? :\

    When i want to rework one of them (other than my main which ofc i would not delete) , i delete the least know named char and work on that slot might create many chars with that name just to test this , when im done , i BUILD a new char with the exact look i want but dont create it.

    Then i delete one of my chars with a really well know name and just quickly create it again with the looks already saved in the other slot. After that i just recreate a dummy char to keep the first char name safe also.
    You will get access to 300+ skill points as you play the game, so there's no need to be cautious about how you level a character up or to "experiment" much. This isn't another MMO where you're locked in to a specific playstyle by virtue of your chosen class.

    That is really cute on paper , but sorry , i have been playing since day one(actually , 5 days before day one :P).

    The "play the way you want" and "class wont matter on your role" crap wont work on me.

    Class DOES matter on the role you want , so i do keep that in mind when i create a char , this illusion/lie zen is punishing on new players doesnt really work for long once you actually play the game for a while.
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  • reggielee
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    im curious.. how long is the timer? anyone know?
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  • Thevampirenight
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    reggielee wrote: »
    im curious.. how long is the timer? anyone know?

    I think 24 hours
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  • reggielee
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    thanks, it doesnt seem like enough of a timer to prevent the quest gold farming in the end. theyll just do one a day now
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  • Thevampirenight
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    reggielee wrote: »
    thanks, it doesnt seem like enough of a timer to prevent the quest gold farming in the end. theyll just do one a day now

    what they need to do is make quests like that not able to do until 5 levels near the level of the zone and leave the rest alone for those that want a chalange and do stuff at way lower levels
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  • nerevarine1138
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    You will get access to 300+ skill points as you play the game, so there's no need to be cautious about how you level a character up or to "experiment" much. This isn't another MMO where you're locked in to a specific playstyle by virtue of your chosen class.

    That is really cute on paper , but sorry , i have been playing since day one(actually , 5 days before day one :P).

    The "play the way you want" and "class wont matter on your role" crap wont work on me.

    Class DOES matter on the role you want , so i do keep that in mind when i create a char , this illusion/lie zen is punishing on new players doesnt really work for long once you actually play the game for a while.

    It's too bad that it "won't work on you," because it's working just great for me.

    Every class can tank, heal and deal damage. Some of the best healers are Nightblades. Some of the best tanks are Sorcerers. Your class has no bearing on your ability to fill those roles. Your preconceptions, however, are going to limit you quite a bit.
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  • SystemiK
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    ^ Just....wow....

    Even if they had released the game with this 3 deletion per 24 hour rule, you could have still have deleted 258 toons. But instead you have had UNLIMITED deletion for the past 84 days and still your appetite for "testing and deleting" toons has not been sated?

    I'm willing to be mistaken, but in my opinion you are doing it all wrong...
  • Ohioastro
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    Bots are a real problem and this is a minor inconvenience.
  • Mablung
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    Ohioastro wrote: »
    Bots are a real problem and this is a minor inconvenience.

    Bots were a real problem. They have long since left the game.
  • Thevampirenight
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    Mablung wrote: »
    Ohioastro wrote: »
    Bots are a real problem and this is a minor inconvenience.

    Bots were a real problem. They have long since left the game.

    I don't think so they are just disguising it and hiding it now so they don't get banned. and I think those disgusting things are no longer using names like jdfksfa ahfjafaf Im not sure I think I seen a couple with names. Im glad they desided to put in a delete limit and they need to have a name filter for sjaaajfajsdfa names and auto ban or force them to change the name and if they don't ban them. and add a bot scanner.
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  • Mablung
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    One way I gauge the bot problem is the current rate for gold. For the AD side of things on the NA server gold per 100k was as low as $9. It is now $32. In all likelihood demand has diminished subsequently eliminating the need for supply or bots.

    Not saying there are no bots. Just saying there are very, very few.
  • EternalDiva
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    I beg to differ. Its not for anyone to say that there is no reason to remake characters over and over again. While I get the bot issue...though was never aware of it before...I reserve the right to delete and redo my characters at will.

    Its not like we have very many slots. In WOW I have 25 toons that Ive played with over many years. In guild wars I have 9 and have the option to purchase another.

    the fact is I get bored--set aside my mains for awhile...start a new character...go back to my mains. delete any newer builds that were not satisfying and make a new one.

    8 slots do not allow you to experiment with all races, classes, male, female what-have-you. there should be an alternate method for bot issues. if ESO notices an account holder is creating and deleting characters over and over, and by that I mean say in less than a 24 hour period, they should check to see what the user was doing. gold spamming, for example, should get auto delete of account.

    As for genuine playing..its nobodies business how I play or when I decide I dont like the build of one of my characters and want to start over. dont want deletions-- then get up with the standards other games have of allowing change in race, class, body, face, hair etc. When you're behind the curve as ESO is with character creation and changes the last thing you should be doing is limiting peoples ability to delete and experiment with a new combo.
  • Samadhi
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    This topic is really old.

    Personally remember the ridiculous bot trains and daily gold spam mails that existed before this feature was implemented.
    Have seen neither since this was added. Still thankful for that.

    This feature is one of the best ideas that ZOS has implemented in game, to this day the solution is to be applauded.
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  • dharbert
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    Samadhi wrote: »
    This topic is really old.

    Personally remember the ridiculous bot trains and daily gold spam mails that existed before this feature was implemented.
    Have seen neither since this was added. Still thankful for that.

    This feature is one of the best ideas that ZOS has implemented in game, to this day the solution is to be applauded.

    100% agree. The character deletion timer is there for a reason. No one, and I mean no one, has a valid reason to keep deleting and re-creating multiple characters every single day. None.

    As for the poster above you that necro'd this thread, by all means, go back to WoW.
  • AoEnwyr
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    I'm particularly fastidious about the appearance of my characters as it defines in part who they are (the scarred, wethered Orc or the sparkly, dandy Altmer etc) Sometimes what they look like in the character creation screen can look somewhat different in game so I get where you are coming from. They did it to clamp down on some dodgy behaviour and I think the cool down is one day (I don't know if this is from time of last deletion or if it ticks over at a fixed time each day).

    I think in principle the deletion cap is a good thing so maybe a viable alternative would be to tweak appearance early in game for free (much like single play ES games do) then after that you need to pay somehow (preferably in game gold although if they are looking at micro transactions this is probably one of the main areas they will make money, behind bank space and mounts).
  • Leeric
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    Do a little research on your choices and you won't have that problem. I can't ever take this complaint serious. When it can be simply fixed by you figuring out what you like [snip]
    [edited for trolling]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on November 2, 2025 7:33PM
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