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Please STOP messing with game graphics! "improved interior lighting" in 1.2

crislevin
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Dear ZOS,

Each major patch you introduced has degraded game performance significantly.

Maybe you are proud of your improved graphic here and there, but you cannot put these type of cosmetic changes above the performance!

If your improved interior lighting means another 5 fps drop, you are effectively killing this game, since it already requires very high level graphic card to play at good video settings.

THINK OVER IT! OPTIMIZE IT!
  • mndfreeze
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    Since I have a nice graphics card and a nice system I say MAKE IT PRETTIER AND NERF PEOPLE WITH LAME COMPUTERS.

    Sorry!

    I actually like games that properly utilize my nice graphics card and I'm sure other people who have nice cards also like to see them get put to good use. Generally mmo's are butt ugly compared to other single player or non-mmo multiplayer games because they have to be optimized to run on a much wider array of systems and much lower specs. If you don't have the card to run on ultra then you turn your settings down until you find the happy point where you can deal with the graphics and get an fps you like. This small lighting change isnt going to make or break your system unless you are already scraping the very bottom of minimum specs to play.
  • wafffllesss
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    Probably there will be an option to toggle the lighting.
  • crislevin
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    mndfreeze wrote: »
    Since I have a nice graphics card and a nice system I say MAKE IT PRETTIER AND NERF PEOPLE WITH LAME COMPUTERS.

    Sorry!

    I actually like games that properly utilize my nice graphics card and I'm sure other people who have nice cards also like to see them get put to good use. Generally mmo's are butt ugly compared to other single player or non-mmo multiplayer games because they have to be optimized to run on a much wider array of systems and much lower specs. If you don't have the card to run on ultra then you turn your settings down until you find the happy point where you can deal with the graphics and get an fps you like. This small lighting change isnt going to make or break your system unless you are already scraping the very bottom of minimum specs to play.

    I have 7950.

    And you are wrong, dynamic lighting is one of the most intense work for the card.
  • mndfreeze
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    .. and then there is the obvious answer is what waffflessss just stated. =)
  • Mephos
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    just pump up the graphics as much as you want but give the option to disable it. discussion closed
  • crislevin
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    Mephos wrote: »
    just pump up the graphics as much as you want but give the option to disable it. discussion closed

    how do you turn off "improved lighting" and not "normal lighting"?

    but fine by me if they do.
  • Arsenic_Touch
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    You do realize there's a setting for lighting, right?
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  • crislevin
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    You do realize there's a setting for lighting, right?
    for "improved lighting"?
  • zaria
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    Probably there will be an option to toggle the lighting.
    Think this is pretty obvious as you can turn off shadows and grass.

    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • Caduryn
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    crislevin wrote: »
    Dear ZOS,

    Each major patch you introduced has degraded game performance significantly.

    Maybe you are proud of your improved graphic here and there, but you cannot put these type of cosmetic changes above the performance!

    If your improved interior lighting means another 5 fps drop, you are effectively killing this game, since it already requires very high level graphic card to play at good video settings.

    THINK OVER IT! OPTIMIZE IT!

    Uhm....the last major Patch gave me 20+ more fps, so.... what?!
  • crislevin
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    Caduryn wrote: »
    crislevin wrote: »
    Dear ZOS,

    Each major patch you introduced has degraded game performance significantly.

    Maybe you are proud of your improved graphic here and there, but you cannot put these type of cosmetic changes above the performance!

    If your improved interior lighting means another 5 fps drop, you are effectively killing this game, since it already requires very high level graphic card to play at good video settings.

    THINK OVER IT! OPTIMIZE IT!

    Uhm....the last major Patch gave me 20+ more fps, so.... what?!

    so your case is abnormal. thats what it is.
  • LonePirate
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    My issue with this change is that some idiot thought it was more important to devote precious and limited developer time to this trivial and unneeded item than it was to have the devs fix actual problems in the game like broken quests and skills. I do not understand this reasoning at all.
  • Mephos
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    LonePirate wrote: »
    My issue with this change is that some idiot thought it was more important to devote precious and limited developer time to this trivial and unneeded item than it was to have the devs fix actual problems in the game like broken quests and skills. I do not understand this reasoning at all.

    yeah, cause you don´t understand that a dev team consists of more then 1 person and of more then 1 person working on something. different people do different stuff.
  • Seroczynski
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    I don't care as long as they are able to be configured. I like shiny things.
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  • Hypertionb14_ESO
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    150$ is enough to run on next to max settings.

    Get a GTX 750 and stop compaining...
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  • nerevarine1138
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    Mephos wrote: »
    LonePirate wrote: »
    My issue with this change is that some idiot thought it was more important to devote precious and limited developer time to this trivial and unneeded item than it was to have the devs fix actual problems in the game like broken quests and skills. I do not understand this reasoning at all.

    yeah, cause you don´t understand that a dev team consists of more then 1 person and of more then 1 person working on something. different people do different stuff.

    Yeah, Talos forbid the design team work on making the game look better.
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  • Theegoliath
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    As a fashion gamer, i fee ppl its an amazing upgrade to an aready impressive mmo world. I remember when i first added mods for skyrim that did this, i never went back. The amount of imersion it added could not be described.

    For those of you with lower fps, turn your settings down to raise fps. If i travel for work, I have to play the game at its lowest settings on my laptop. So I see the game on ultra and low quite often.

    Thank you zenimax for a more realistic enviornment : D
  • Rocksteady
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    Mephos wrote: »
    LonePirate wrote: »
    My issue with this change is that some idiot thought it was more important to devote precious and limited developer time to this trivial and unneeded item than it was to have the devs fix actual problems in the game like broken quests and skills. I do not understand this reasoning at all.

    yeah, cause you don´t understand that a dev team consists of more then 1 person and of more then 1 person working on something. different people do different stuff.

    Yeah, Talos forbid the design team work on making the game look better.

    God does nothing but forbid things. I'm sick of that guy, he's such a downer.

    EDIT - My brain read "God" where you typed "Talos"... See how deeply programmed that stuff is?
    Edited by Rocksteady on June 5, 2014 1:40PM
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  • nerevarine1138
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    Rocksteady wrote: »
    Mephos wrote: »
    LonePirate wrote: »
    My issue with this change is that some idiot thought it was more important to devote precious and limited developer time to this trivial and unneeded item than it was to have the devs fix actual problems in the game like broken quests and skills. I do not understand this reasoning at all.

    yeah, cause you don´t understand that a dev team consists of more then 1 person and of more then 1 person working on something. different people do different stuff.

    Yeah, Talos forbid the design team work on making the game look better.

    God does nothing but forbid things. I'm sick of that guy, he's such a downer.

    Who is this "God" fellow? I'm talking about Talos.
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  • LonePirate
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    Mephos wrote: »
    LonePirate wrote: »
    My issue with this change is that some idiot thought it was more important to devote precious and limited developer time to this trivial and unneeded item than it was to have the devs fix actual problems in the game like broken quests and skills. I do not understand this reasoning at all.

    yeah, cause you don´t understand that a dev team consists of more then 1 person and of more then 1 person working on something. different people do different stuff.

    Yeah, Talos forbid the design team work on making the game look better.

    The design team can do their work; but developers still need to implement it and add it to the code within the game. Designers don't code in most software companies. I would prefer the devs work on fixing problems rather than implement unwanted changes.
  • nerevarine1138
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    LonePirate wrote: »
    Mephos wrote: »
    LonePirate wrote: »
    My issue with this change is that some idiot thought it was more important to devote precious and limited developer time to this trivial and unneeded item than it was to have the devs fix actual problems in the game like broken quests and skills. I do not understand this reasoning at all.

    yeah, cause you don´t understand that a dev team consists of more then 1 person and of more then 1 person working on something. different people do different stuff.

    Yeah, Talos forbid the design team work on making the game look better.

    The design team can do their work; but developers still need to implement it and add it to the code within the game. Designers don't code in most software companies. I would prefer the devs work on fixing problems rather than implement unwanted changes.

    I want better graphics. So the change isn't unwanted.

    Ta-daaaaaaa! Problem solved!
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  • BBSooner
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    Shrug, my game looks prettier in ultra after next patch? Awesome.
  • crislevin
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    So any of my original worry turns out to be true?

    Just wondering.
  • SilverWF
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    crislevin wrote: »
    Dear ZOS,

    Each major patch you introduced has degraded game performance significantly.

    Maybe you are proud of your improved graphic here and there, but you cannot put these type of cosmetic changes above the performance!

    If your improved interior lighting means another 5 fps drop, you are effectively killing this game, since it already requires very high level graphic card to play at good video settings.

    THINK OVER IT! OPTIMIZE IT!

    My Agree with ya
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  • SilverWF
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    crislevin wrote: »
    So any of my original worry turns out to be true?

    Just wondering.

    Me too
    I'm using ESO Toolbox to turn off any of this sh*t, but seems like it doesn't helps a lot.
    My FPS in PVE after patch equals to 50-60, instead of 90-100 pre-patch
    • PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
    • YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
    • EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
    • Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
  • SFBryan18
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    Seriously, I haven't even seen a difference in FPS, and hardly notice any change in lighting. Maybe my Nvidia was already making the game look amazing before the upgrade.
    Edited by SFBryan18 on June 27, 2014 6:58PM
  • theyancey
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    I like the improvements and hope that they keep adding more.
  • crislevin
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    SilverWF wrote: »
    crislevin wrote: »
    So any of my original worry turns out to be true?

    Just wondering.

    Me too
    I'm using ESO Toolbox to turn off any of this sh*t, but seems like it doesn't helps a lot.
    My FPS in PVE after patch equals to 50-60, instead of 90-100 pre-patch
    thats a big drop indeed, still smooth. But for people who was originally getting 30-60 FPS, it may be bad.

    It seems they should focus on optimization a lot more at this time, to fix/improve issues such as the large download, and performance both in PvE and PvP.

    New content is good, but it doesn't mean much if people can't enjoy them.
  • crislevin
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    SFBryan18 wrote: »
    Seriously, I haven't even seen a difference in FPS, and hardly notice any change in lighting. Maybe my Nvidia was already making the game look amazing before the fix.

    it only show up in certain places, not everywhere.
  • SFBryan18
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    crislevin wrote: »
    SFBryan18 wrote: »
    Seriously, I haven't even seen a difference in FPS, and hardly notice any change in lighting. Maybe my Nvidia was already making the game look amazing before the fix.

    it only show up in certain places, not everywhere.

    Ok.
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