PLEASE fix oil pots

Beedles · June 2014

please fix oil pots this is just a I win button exploit that's not fun for anyone and is ruining peoples experience's in pvp. STACKING 6 OR MORE IN ONE SPOT and at MULTIABLE levels all hitting same spot. Come on guys take them out of game or fix this. How is it you can use oil pots at your feet that's your intended use? this game has become a oil time sink on every fight. def a keep use oil def a resources use oil , go in building stack oil. set oil up at flags , set oil around rocks trees etc.. for gank wins, maybe you could even have characters carry them on their heads so they could chase you with the I win button?
please for the luv of Talos stop making bad decisions with in game exploits, your making people quit AGIAN! IF ITS EXPLOITABLE TAKE IT away TIL YOU CAN FIX IT.
I am not sure who you are listening to that thinks this is good and fun its ruining the game for many many people for the enjoyment of a few bad apples who think this is fun.
this and I believe, cause I have no other explanation for it, that people are teleporting into keeps outposts at will. This happen to us many times. Cleared a keep top and players spawned, not coming out of sneak, and already attacking us lots of them all at once after we cleared they appeared right next to us. they also appeared to be unkillable or take no damage. This happened on AB AND WABBA.

KBKB · June 2014

Its not that easy to set one up mid zerg train, if you stand near a pot of hot oil being tipped you're done. It is also a wonderful way to screw up the AoE train. Nice immersion imo keep it as is. If I could recommend one change it would be to place the alliance emblem on the oil pot so its easier to tell the difference during the siege.

Beedles · June 2014

Black-Bird wrote: »

Its not that easy to set one up mid zerg train, if you stand near a pot of hot oil being tipped you're done. It is also a wonderful way to screw up the AoE train. Nice immersion imo keep it as is. If I could recommend one change it would be to place the alliance emblem on the oil pot so its easier to tell the difference during the siege.

who you going to kill with your I win button when everyone quits because people like you are using it in unintended ways?

KBKB · June 2014

Its purgeable bro for one, secondly if you see 5 oil pots set up and you run towards them you are asking for it. Thirdly defending teams should have the advantage oil pots allow this.

KBKB · June 2014

To avoid you could:

Cast fire runes on the oil pot, you can do this in an open field or on the crenelations on the keep wall by targetting the upper corner of the wall. Use a knock down to the player on it or last but defs not least DON'T STAND UNDER THE OIL WHILE ITS BEING TIPPED ON YOU.

Edit: Negate too, player has to jump off the pot CC break it then jump back on a tip in which time you can stun-lock, knock down and kill.

Beedles · June 2014

Black-Bird wrote: »

To avoid you could:

Cast fire runes on the oil pot, you can do this in an open field or on the crenelations on the keep wall by targetting the upper corner of the wall. Use a knock down to the player on it or last but defs not least DON'T STAND UNDER THE OIL WHILE ITS BEING TIPPED ON YOU.

Edit: Negate too, player has to jump off the pot CC break it then jump back on a tip in which time you can stun-lock, knock down and kill.

good for you ! the rest of us have trouble fighting 10+ pots dumping on one area, but you apparently can skip ballerina style through all that stackable damage and beat them with fire ruin and other skills that must hit multiple players on multi level all at once. man I wish I had thought of this before. thanks all go use pots now.

KBKB · June 2014

It is counterable, I'm guessing you are in one of those groups that bound in while the first 15 of you die for standing under the oil then the rest of you think "oh well if they died I'm sure to make it through" seriously I didn't enjoy being oiled at first either then I took Purge from the Support skill line and it really doesn't hurt that much. Have a few group members take that, along with Manoeuvres you will find it will make your life a lot less stressful while storming into a keep/small area that along with priority targeting the players on the pots and its more than beatable.

Teargrants · June 2014

Don't stand in the red circle... Or, stand in the red circle and use Purge.

Last I checked, oil pots can't sneak up on you and surprise you, if you die to oil it's because you ran face first into it's range and didn't Purge, or you stood there while they set up oil on you.

Bloodvax · June 2014

Just stop being bad. You can easily counter oil pots if you dont lemming zerg your face right into them everytime. The other night EP turtled inside the tower and set down a ton of oil pots so we just left em in there. It was the best tactic

Dahter · June 2014

Yeah, oil pots are essential for a smaller group to defend against a much larger force, definitely needed in the game..

Custos91 · June 2014

Oil is an anti zerg weapon, if you can't get the oilpourers away the strategy worked.
Oil is completely working as intended, it forces players to use their brains xD

Bloodvax · June 2014

Quick he's using oil pots! If i stuff my head in the pot it won't refill!

KBKB · June 2014

Was waiting for the smart people to arrive ya'all were late.

jpp · June 2014

It is called diversity and there are ways to fight:
- use archers/mages to shoot at one target
- use purge and healing
Oil pots is not "I win" technique, it is not moving and needs to be taken differently. If you see that attack is to fail do not attack - move to different place, just do not enter into oil area and be surprised.

Lava_Croft · June 2014

What's so hard about not running into burning oil?

siledre · June 2014

Now I've got this picture of people running around with oil pots on their heads and I can't stop laughing, thanks.

TRIP233 · June 2014

Beedles wrote: »

Black-Bird wrote: »

To avoid you could:

Cast fire runes on the oil pot, you can do this in an open field or on the crenelations on the keep wall by targetting the upper corner of the wall. Use a knock down to the player on it or last but defs not least DON'T STAND UNDER THE OIL WHILE ITS BEING TIPPED ON YOU.

Edit: Negate too, player has to jump off the pot CC break it then jump back on a tip in which time you can stun-lock, knock down and kill.

good for you ! the rest of us have trouble fighting 10+ pots dumping on one area, but you apparently can skip ballerina style through all that stackable damage and beat them with fire ruin and other skills that must hit multiple players on multi level all at once. man I wish I had thought of this before. thanks all go use pots now.

If they have an army with Oil, then it stands to reason you should have an army with Crowd Control: Volcanic Rune.

Have your incompetent army use this clear cut counter strategy, also, DON'T STAND UNDER THE OIL!

siledre · June 2014

I never understood why a lot of groups stop at the stairs and take the full brunt of the oil, run all the way up and work your way down.

Junipus · June 2014

Purge, Cleansing Ritual, Rapid Maneuvers, Mutagen all stacked on top of each other can easily counter oil pots.

If you have to run through them to get to an objective (e.g. taking a keep or resource) then keep moving until you're somewhere safe and turn around to hit them from safety.

If you spot them out in the open, just kite them. That includes at resource flags since you can use siege to hit the flag. It won't kill the guards, but any players in the area will be unable to come back to use the oil or they'll be killed.

In any situation, with proper coordination, you can easily beat multiple oil pots IF you HAVE to go through their AoE.

Beedles · June 2014

thank you for posting the positive oil comments we now know who the bad apples are that think this type of exploit is fun. You CAN check their accounts for other hacks exploits and ban away.
you don't need skill or tactics at all to use oil pots just a childish glee in causing mischief.

$Infraction$ · June 2014

Beedles wrote: »

thank you for posting the positive oil comments we now know who the bad apples are that think this type of exploit is fun. You CAN check their accounts for other hacks exploits and ban away.
you don't need skill or tactics at all to use oil pots just a childish glee in causing mischief.

You are either trolling or refuse to believe that this can be countered. Either way this thread is just going to turn into a joke now that you have chosen to just complexity ignore any and all feedback on how to beat oil.

Teargrants · June 2014

@Beedles

Thank you for posting the inane troll comment, we now know what a fail troll thread this is. We CAN check future threads for your posts and ignore away.

You don't need intelligence or a legitimate complaint to make troll threads, just a childish glee in causing mischief.

Beedles · June 2014

Infraction wrote: »

Beedles wrote: »

thank you for posting the positive oil comments we now know who the bad apples are that think this type of exploit is fun. You CAN check their accounts for other hacks exploits and ban away.
you don't need skill or tactics at all to use oil pots just a childish glee in causing mischief.

You are either trolling or refuse to believe that this can be countered. Either way this thread is just going to turn into a joke now that you have chosen to just complexity ignore any and all feedback on how to beat oil.

You have some type of mental issues? its not about ways to beat oil as it was intended to be used its about the exploiting of it. so go back under your rock and ignore the obvious all you want.
and I will keep complexity ignoring you lol!

Junipus · June 2014

Beedles wrote: »

Infraction wrote: »

Beedles wrote: »

thank you for posting the positive oil comments we now know who the bad apples are that think this type of exploit is fun. You CAN check their accounts for other hacks exploits and ban away.
you don't need skill or tactics at all to use oil pots just a childish glee in causing mischief.

You are either trolling or refuse to believe that this can be countered. Either way this thread is just going to turn into a joke now that you have chosen to just complexity ignore any and all feedback on how to beat oil.

You have some type of mental issues? its not about ways to beat oil as it was intended to be used its about the exploiting of it. so go back under your rock and ignore the obvious all you want.
and I will keep complexity ignoring you lol!

It's not an exploit, it's your opinion of it being an exploit based on how you envision it being used, not as it's actually being used or how ZOS intended for it to be used. It's not even a game breaking exploit...

See that pile of oil pots in a tower? Don't go in there.

Are they doing it in the keep? Hit them with siege from a distance.

Is it behind a tree? Stay out of the AoE.

Is it an exploit because you don't get hit by your own oil? What about AoE attacks? What about AoE ultimates? What about light and heavy attacks? You can argue that they are different in the context of "friendly fire" as self-inflicted oil damage would be, but in reality they're the same since you couldn't use them in siege defence without accidentally wiping half your defenders who happen to be in the AoE when it drops.

Jaxom · June 2014

These oil threads keep cracking me up. If a defensive unit has managed to stack 6 oils in a tiny confined place (not even sure how or where), then they are prepared. You can't just brute force it and expect to win.

Storming a keep and notice a stairway of death and fire? run across to the other end and climb those stairs (most likely not as covered). You can also set up counter siege from the outer walls and towers. You dont have to have everyone run in at once. You can use some people as suppressing fire from afar.

The problem here is that people do not want to think of counter tactics and want to run in screaming Braveheart style.

Agrippa_Invisus · June 2014

The easiest thing to "fix" the oil pot issue is give them a minimum range of 2 meters (little taller than a man/character). This forces them to be up on something. Be it a rock, or a house, or on top of a wall and ends the 'dump oil at own feet' ability.

This way if they're right on the ground, they just don't fire off.

Barnabas · June 2014

Nothing to fix, they are easily mitigated.

ThyIronFist · June 2014

They aren't broken.

Ah... just another thread about a baddie complaining he died to oil pots due to his own stupidity, am I right?

Bramir · June 2014

Black-Bird wrote: »

Its purgeable bro for one, secondly if you see 5 oil pots set up and you run towards them you are asking for it. Thirdly defending teams should have the advantage oil pots allow this.

I agree it is purgable, but usually by the time it is purged it has already done 1500+ damage, which means if multiple oils hit the same person, they die.

Oil needs to be in the game to keep castles from flipping too fast when one side has numbers, but right now it is more than a little ridiculous the way it functions...and this is coming from someone who usually doesn't die to oil spammers because I use purge every few seconds when I see oil around.

Bramir · June 2014

ThyIronFist wrote: »

They aren't broken.

Ah... just another thread about a baddie complaining he died to oil pots due to his own stupidity, am I right?

The baddies are the ones relying on oil pots to farm AP, as well as the ones who die to them repeatedly. One group just figured out how to exploit a broken game mechanic...put all these people in an open field and force them to use their own abilities to kill someone and you would see a wall of fail.

Ygaer · June 2014

I feel like oil pots are one of the few things ESO has gotten right. They're effective and one of the few really good ways to counter a zerg train of bad players. No coordinated group struggles with oil at all really. Like others have said, 1 retreating and a couple purges are all you need to get through an oil trap.