All addons out of date?

NightDragon · June 2014

For some odd reason I just logged in to find that all my add-ons are out of date. so I go to the minion app that I use but there is no updates found. Its in BETA still but for some reason its not updating them. I noticed that before this patch only some add-ons were not updating for some reason but now its my whole list. Please help me to solve this issue. Just logged in and getting a lot of UI error messages Thank you

Rosveen · June 2014

Wait until add-on creators release updates? They don't work 24/7.

Vuron · June 2014

You can also check the box to use outdated addons. As @Rosveen said, these addons are player created and these guys don't sit around 24/7 with nothing to do but updates. Some might actually like to play the game.

In the case of this patch, some research might need to be done to fix some of these addons and it is possible that some might never be updated. ZOS does make API changes which sometimes removes features.

NightDragon · June 2014

I do wait there were just a few that were out of date a few days ago did not bother me that much but now it the whole list and now there are endless UI errors popping up every 2 second's. Now do you see where my true problem is. I have the check box to allow them to be used but then the whole UI gets messed up

Vuron · June 2014

basketball_rickyb16_ESO wrote: »

I do wait there were just a few that were out of date a few days ago did not bother me that much but now it the whole list and now there are endless UI errors popping up every 2 second's. Now do you see where my true problem is.

It normally happens after every major patch. The patch automatically makes the addons out of date and you need to check the box to use the outdated ones.

Some patches like the current one make significant changes to the API which might cause serious issues with some of the addons. Like I said, some may never work again and can't be updated if the required functionality was removed from the API.

zgrssd · June 2014

basketball_rickyb16_ESO wrote: »

For some odd reason I just logged in to find that all my add-ons are out of date. so I go to the minion app that I use but there is no updates found. Its in BETA still but for some reason its not updating them. I noticed that before this patch only some add-ons were not updating for some reason but now its my whole list. Please help me to solve this issue. Just logged in and getting a lot of UI error messages Thank you

If the API version the addons were designed against and the API version currently used by the client do not match, the game marks them as "out of date" and will only enable them if the user says so.

API versions were:
100000 - beta
100003 - live/after 2 days of early access
100004 - after Craglorn (1.1)
100007 - after Crypt of hearts (1.2)

We actually have to go, patch the client and see if our addons still work before we can in good faith change the API version of our addon.
Then we have to upload the whole thing and wait for it to be aprooved.
Did I mention I am on the EU server, so I have to wait longer before I even have the patch?

Also note that there is a small bug of the game that will result in you loosing your settings/saved data for addons. You have to manually go and prevent those:
http://www.esoui.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1843

GnatB · June 2014

Dear OP:
Minion's "out of date" indicator doesn't mean that the add-ons are out of date with regards to ESO, but rather that the developer of the add-on has submitted a new version of the add-on in question. So the add-on is "out of date" with respect to itself. (Personally, I would have argued "new version available" would have been a better phrasing, as out of date indicates (at least to me) that there will be some sort of compatibility issue, which is probably only the case with mods that share data across players like HarvestMap/ESOHead. As such, your confusion is perhaps understandable.)

The latest update to ESO had a fairly extensive overhaul of the add-on API. As such, every existing add-on became out of date with respect to ESO. (this is what you see as "out of date" in the in-game add-on manager.) They're all using the old API, and there's a fairly good chance they won't work with the new one. That said, since not *everything* changed in the api, some of the add-ons work perfectly fine even though they haven't been updated to the new API version, which is why there's a check to allow you to use out of date add ons anyways. Some of them will likely work.

That said, once you click that little check box, and get a bunch of errors, how do you figure out which ones work and which ones don't?

It's usually pretty simple. Every error I've seen so far will have the location of the file where the error is found. And the location of the file is almost always in the addon. So, the error message itself almost always tells you the add-on that isn't working. Location of the file throwing the error is in the LootDrop folder? Need to turn off the LootDrop add-on until the developer updates it. Is it in the BankManager folder? Need to turn off BankManager.

zgrssd · June 2014

GnatB wrote: »

Minion's "out of date" indicator doesn't mean that the add-ons are out of date with regards to ESO, but rather that the developer of the add-on has submitted a new version of the add-on in question.

That is plain wrong. All it means is that the API-Version in the Manifest and the API version of the client are not the same.
ESO does not track what updates are availible for Addons. We need to write extra addon managers to do that - Curse and Minion.

GnatB · June 2014

zgrssd wrote: »

GnatB wrote: »

Minion's "out of date" indicator doesn't mean that the add-ons are out of date with regards to ESO, but rather that the developer of the add-on has submitted a new version of the add-on in question.

That is plain wrong. All it means is that the API-Version in the Manifest and the API version of the client are not the same.
ESO does not track what updates are availible for Addons. We need to write extra addon managers to do that - Curse and Minion.

Pssst. I *was* talking about Minion... (I just wasn't accurate with the terminology minion uses, but then, I'd argue my calling it minion's "out of date" indicator already suggests I'm not 100% sure I'm remembering correctly what said indicator is. Point is the OP seemed to be misunderstanding the difference between minions warning and ESO's warning.)

ozgod22_eso · June 2014

basketball_rickyb16_ESO wrote: »

For some odd reason I just logged in to find that all my add-ons are out of date. so I go to the minion app that I use but there is no updates found. Its in BETA still but for some reason its not updating them. I noticed that before this patch only some add-ons were not updating for some reason but now its my whole list. Please help me to solve this issue. Just logged in and getting a lot of UI error messages Thank you

Here is a post from Cairenn on ESOUI.com.

As this is the first content patch for ESO, there are likely many of you that have never experienced one. This post is intended to help you get through it, at least in so far as dealing with your addons.

Often when a content patch is pushed, there are changes to the User Interface API that authors use to create their addons. If there are changes to the API, there is usually a change in the version number as well. These API changes may break some addons, either temporarily or permanently, depending on the changes in question. The change in the version number means that all addons will be marked as "out of date" until the author has a chance to update the version number of their addon.

Most authors will not update the version number for their addon until they have had a chance to test their addon in-game to make sure that it is still working properly and, if necessary, 'fix' it to work with the new API changes.

While authors will do everything they can to make sure that their addons are working, please remember that they, just like you, have to:

1. download the patch
2. wait for the server to come back on-line and then find out if their addon is still working

If it isn't working they then have to:

1. figure out what the changes to the API are and how they've affected their addon
2. make the necessary changes to the addon
3. check in-game again to make sure that the fix has worked
4. rinse and repeat if it hasn't

Then they have to

1. change the version number
2. package it up
3. write up their change log
4. submit it to the site(s) and wait for it to be approved

Most of the authors (so far, at least) have more than one addon that they've written, so they have to do this for each of them. It takes time.

Now, in many cases, the addons will be working just fine with the patch. They will just be marked as "out of date", along with all the rest. What you can do while waiting for the author to push out their update is to go to the "AddOns" tab on the in-game menu and simply check the "Use Out of Date" check box. Most likely the majority of the addons you are using will work just fine with that. In that case - "Yay!" just use as is until the author bumps the version number.

If you find that an addon is not working, then disable it in the same "AddOns" tab on the in-game menu. Next, go to the site(s) that you have downloaded the addon from and check to see if the error has already been reported to the author, or if they've already commented that they know there is a problem. If there hasn't been a report, or a comment by the author, then go ahead and let them know. Give what details you can, provide a screenshot of any error messages you may have seen, etc. Then just keep an eye out to see when the author is able to provide an updated version.

But please, be patient. Remember that they have to go through all the same stuff as you, plus then fixing it. And also remember that they, like you, have other responsibilities as well. They have jobs, families, school, whatever. They write these addons as a hobby, in their spare time. Give them time.

TL;DR Use the "load out of date" check box on the addon menu in-game, watch for updates from the authors, and be patient.

http://www.esoui.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1607

ozgod22_eso · June 2014

basketball_rickyb16_ESO wrote: »

I do wait there were just a few that were out of date a few days ago did not bother me that much but now it the whole list and now there are endless UI errors popping up every 2 second's. Now do you see where my true problem is. I have the check box to allow them to be used but then the whole UI gets messed up

My best advice to you is:

1. Check the box for "Enable Out of Date Addons"
2. Then disable ALL your addons except for one. Reload your UI. if it doesn't give out any errors, then you can use it. It may not work perfectly but that's the risk you take. If it brings up an error box then you will just have to wait till the author fixes it.
3. Enable another addon. Rinse and repeat till you find out which ones work and which ones don't.

Final point - addons are made by people in their own spare time. They aren't part of the game. Some authors may have quit the game, others are busy with RL stuff, etc. That's always the risk we take with using and becoming dependent on addons.

SienneYviete · June 2014

Lootdrop is a pretty common addon to give ui errors, I always get an error after a patch with this one however it's just been updated and all should be good again.