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Patch 1.2.3 ruined the sorcerer's playstyle...
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Postumus✭balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »
I was writing with haste... 1st hotbar max single target DPS, 2nd hotbar max AoE DPS... 3rd hotbar bunker + light attack = lower DPS but higher survivability & magika recovery / + heavy attack = lower sustained AoE DPS but higher survivability & magika recovery
It sounds to me like your idea for the third hotbar with overload is doing what it should be doing, giving you a period of increased magicka regen from the light hits, while you are able to put that magicka into defensive spells, and still maintain a good DPS, if not quite as much as you would get from a DPS spell rotation. The DPS you get from the light attacks is now better, even.
Only now, it is a short period where you can do it all. That is a good thing. DPS almost on par with spells, which not only has no cost but has a NEGATIVE cost, and access to an extra set of five defensive spells to blow the mana on? That is one hell of an ultimate, and if it only lasts 6-10 seconds at full blast, that still means it's in line with every other ultimate in the game.1 -
balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »I opened this thread for the dev team... not to go on answering everyone...
I did not relied on this ultimate for DPS, if you would have read the thread carefully you would know...
Now not to be rude or anything... if i keep answering everyone, even if they read what i actually wrote, and can add something... i would be doing this all day...
So... i appreciate your feedback, and i wish you a good day
Umm after your following statement it did sound like you were going for exactly that. Forgive me if i was wrong there."balu.nicolaeeb17 wrote:Well of course you can still use all of them... if you want to do less DPS and recover less magika then you would if you don't use them, that is...
Regardless, iam not trying to bash you or anything but trying to understand where your point is.
[/Aunt Edith says:] Typos! ... Get them sorted out! [/Aunt Edith has spoken]
Very well... let's say my calculations and numbers are wrong, and i have done the math behind 2 of the classes now, since that's what i do on my youtube channel...
We do it in a different way...
How many times have you seen people saying "they should really nerf that Energy Overload... it's too OP".
Now... it just got nerfed really badly... i say enough to ruin a playstyle... you say not that much... but the point still remains, it was a nerf... that was not deserving...
Also... not sure if you realize this but the extra DPS increase is not what it looks like... (should have said this in the main thread).
Let me explain... you have a spell that does 10 damage... every second.. and you can use it 10 times... = 10 DPS.
Now we buff that spell by 50% and increase it's cost by 65%... it now does 15 damage... and you can use it 5 times... It does mean 15 DPS over 5 seconds... but what about the other 5 that remain idle ?...
Now... who can honestly say they use Overload Light attack as "burst" so that they actually benefit from the buff ? Anyone ?...
A buff that no one uses at the cost of a severe nerf... to a spell that no one complained of being OP in the first place...
How does that sound ?Edited by balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO on June 25, 2014 9:17PM2 -
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✭balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »I opened this thread for the dev team... not to go on answering everyone...
I did not relied on this ultimate for DPS, if you would have read the thread carefully you would know...
Now not to be rude or anything... if i keep answering everyone, even if they read what i actually wrote, and can add something... i would be doing this all day...
So... i appreciate your feedback, and i wish you a good day
Umm after your following statement it did sound like you were going for exactly that. Forgive me if i was wrong there."balu.nicolaeeb17 wrote:Well of course you can still use all of them... if you want to do less DPS and recover less magika then you would if you don't use them, that is...
Regardless, iam not trying to bash you or anything but trying to understand where your point is.
[/Aunt Edith says:] Typos! ... Get them sorted out! [/Aunt Edith has spoken]
Very well... let's say my calculations and numbers are wrong, and i have done the math behind 2 of the classes now, since that's what i do on my youtube channel...
We do it in a different way...
How many times have you seen people saying "they should really nerf that Energy Overload... it's too OP".
Now... it just got nerfed really badly... i say enough to ruin a playstyle... you say not that much... but the point still remains, it was a nerf... that was not deserving...
Also... not sure if you realize this but the extra DPS increase is not what it looks like... (should have said this in the main thread).
Let me explain... you have a spell that does 10 damage... every second.. and you can use it 10 times... = 10 DPS.
Now we buff that spell by 50% and increase it's cost by 65%... it now does 15 damage... and you can use it 5 times... It does mean 15 DPS over 5 seconds... but what about the other 5 that remain idle ?...
Now... who can honestly say they use Overload Light attack as "burst" so that they actually benefit from the buff ? Anyone ?...
A buff that no one uses at the cost of a severe nerf... to a spell that no one complained of being OP in the first place...
How does that sound ?
lets just suppose lots of sorcs have been using the third bar to have stuff like BE without having to waste a slot on their other 2.. having overload give a third utility bar is a massive advantage imo... no way it should be allowed to continue.
perhaps this is why every sorc in pvp seems to have room for BE.. and possibly why it ended up getting nerfed.
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Neferath✭✭✭balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »I opened this thread for the dev team... not to go on answering everyone...
I did not relied on this ultimate for DPS, if you would have read the thread carefully you would know...
Now not to be rude or anything... if i keep answering everyone, even if they read what i actually wrote, and can add something... i would be doing this all day...
So... i appreciate your feedback, and i wish you a good day
Umm after your following statement it did sound like you were going for exactly that. Forgive me if i was wrong there."balu.nicolaeeb17 wrote:Well of course you can still use all of them... if you want to do less DPS and recover less magika then you would if you don't use them, that is...
Regardless, iam not trying to bash you or anything but trying to understand where your point is.
[/Aunt Edith says:] Typos! ... Get them sorted out! [/Aunt Edith has spoken]
Very well... let's say my calculations and numbers are wrong, and i have done the math behind 2 of the classes now, since that's what i do on my youtube channel...
We do it in a different way...
How many times have you seen people saying "they should really nerf that Energy Overload... it's too OP".
Now... it just got nerfed really badly... i say enough to ruin a playstyle... you say not that much... but the point still remains, it was a nerf... that was not deserving...
Also... not sure if you realize this but the extra DPS increase is not what it looks like... (should have said this in the main thread).
Let me explain... you have a spell that does 10 damage... every second.. and you can use it 10 times... = 10 DPS.
Now we buff that spell by 50% and increase it's cost by 65%... it now does 15 damage... and you can use it 5 times... It does mean 15 DPS over 5 seconds... but what about the other 5 that remain idle ?...
Now... who can honestly say they use Overload Light attack as "burst" so that they actually benefit from the buff ? Anyone ?...
A buff that no one uses at the cost of a severe nerf... to a spell that no one complained of being OP in the first place...
How does that sound ?
Well i guess most ppl didnt cry for a nerf because they simply didnd realise that this ultimate comes with a 3rd skillbar.
Also only a small amount of sorc players is using this ultimate and most of them who actually do use it, won't "waste" it in order to have a little bit more dps or mana reg. but use it in order to keep the 3rd skill bar alive as long as possible. Well and while doing so, almost noone will even recognize that you are using this ultimate.
Having that said, i think i got your point here and while iam able to apprehend it, i still think that this ultimate could/should be used in a by far better way wich is still possible regardless of the changes.
But well, who am i to tell others how to use their skills. This game was meant to allow everyone to play the way they like to play. Since this "nerf" doesnt allow you to play the way you want to play anymore i'll admit that you have a point here.
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Pele✭✭✭✭✭Am I the only one who did not get a third hotbar?
Edit: Nevermind, I see what the OP is referring to.Edited by Pele on June 25, 2014 9:38PM1 -
NetViperX✭✭✭✭Am I the only one who did not get a third hotbar?
Edit: Nevermind, I see what the OP is referring to.
I never had a third bar either when using overcharge, and I have been playing my sorc for over a month. It always just stayed on the same hotbar I was already on, maybe the bug only effected some people.
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Why do I get the feeling this is less about a actual problem with the magic and ultimate abilities and more about the YouTube and the "guides."
You get any money from your YouTube or guides? I'm curios.1 -
kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »Why do I get the feeling this is less about a actual problem with the magic and ultimate abilities and more about the YouTube and the "guides."
You get any money from your YouTube or guides? I'm curios.
It's not... you know why ?... because guides are not profitable... anything that is not trolling, drama, nudity or violence has no place in media, if you are looking to make a profit
. After two years of YouTube i've finally accepted that... 3 -
balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »Why do I get the feeling this is less about a actual problem with the magic and ultimate abilities and more about the YouTube and the "guides."
You get any money from your YouTube or guides? I'm curios.
It's not... you know why ?... because guides are not profitable... anything that is not trolling, drama, nudity or violence has no place in media, if you are looking to make a profit. After two years of YouTube i've finally accepted that...
Sorry you can't make your living on it.
Be that as it may...you seem to be focused more on the changing the skill back BECAUSE you already made these guides and such than because it is bad for the game.
Though if you are good enough to make these things then you should be good enough to make them again, right? Best of luck to you. 1 -
Amanoma✭And yet another: QQ I got nerfed thread. LOL! Not so funny now that it's finally your turn to be nerfed no?
As everyone told DK's when they got nerfed: Learn to play. Period.0 -
pong✭✭✭OMG I've been playing sorcerer for like a month now and still don't know about this 3rd hotbar0 -
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Sleevez340✭✭✭You have magicka replenishing abilities as a sorc? Wtf im a templar, thats BS!Kaiser Dragon ~ VR14 Bosmer Templar
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Vez✭✭✭Am I the only one who did not get a third hotbar?
Edit: Nevermind, I see what the OP is referring to.
I never had a third bar either when using overcharge, and I have been playing my sorc for over a month. It always just stayed on the same hotbar I was already on, maybe the bug only effected some people.
"Overload". It's the ultimate ability from the Sorceror Storm Calling skill line. It's not a bug. It's the intended design of the Storm Calling skill line.
Put Overload in your ultimate slot. Charge up your ultimate. Leave combat and toggle it on (Overload is a toggle). You are now on the "third" abilities or "Overload" bar. Now, with Overload toggled on, go into your abilities lists and place different abilities in your slots. Toggle Overload off (ultimate key) and watch in amazement as your bar flips to your original bar. Toggle it back on and enjoy your third bar. Cheers!
Note: Using weapon abilities from your Overload bar will toggle Overload off (but not switch your bar back - at least that was the case last time I used Overload) so fill it with class, guild, and world skills.0 -
kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »Why do I get the feeling this is less about a actual problem with the magic and ultimate abilities and more about the YouTube and the "guides."
You get any money from your YouTube or guides? I'm curios.
It's not... you know why ?... because guides are not profitable... anything that is not trolling, drama, nudity or violence has no place in media, if you are looking to make a profit. After two years of YouTube i've finally accepted that...
Sorry you can't make your living on it.
Be that as it may...you seem to be focused more on the changing the skill back BECAUSE you already made these guides and such than because it is bad for the game.
Though if you are good enough to make these things then you should be good enough to make them again, right? Best of luck to you.
I didn't... i was going to... but after this patch, it's just not the same playstyle anymore, doesn't feel right.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Overload was completely OP ever since early beta. it was entirely possible to have it full time up without any pause because its cost was so low (and it didnt deplete unless you actually used a light attack)
Granted overload in and of itself is kind of a crappy skill (looks cool though) but for what it did it was completely over the top and easily the most spammable of any ultimate.
I remember running with my buddy in beta saying "dude what the hell, does this ultimate ever stop working? ive had it going for like 20 minutes here"
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mndfreeze✭✭✭Um... the 3rd hotbar from overload has been a bug since the beginning. They even posted in the patch notes that it would no longer occur.
From the patch notes:
Power Overload: This no longer uses the same ability bar as the werewolf.
This? I thought this same thing, that the overload ultimate wasn't SUPPOSED to be giving another bar. Keep in mind I play a sorc and having access to a third bar for any class isn't fair or balanced.2 -
Aureli✭✭✭Did you not know Sorcerers have 3 hot bars?balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »
If you go into Overload... you get a THIRD one... that you can fill with skills of your choosing. Now... you get ONLY a third one even if you put Overload at the end of both your normal hotbars...Stonesthrow wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Where is this mythical 3rd bar? Is it some addon hack?
I know right?
OP says it in EVERY post…. lol
My entire world was just shattered and rebuilt in the time it took to read two posts. I had no idea and I've been playing a sorcerer since the beta's started. lol
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Um... the 3rd hotbar from overload has been a bug since the beginning. They even posted in the patch notes that it would no longer occur.
From the patch notes:
Power Overload: This no longer uses the same ability bar as the werewolf.
This? I thought this same thing, that the overload ultimate wasn't SUPPOSED to be giving another bar. Keep in mind I play a sorc and having access to a third bar for any class isn't fair or balanced.
Oh my friend... you think the "3rd hotbar" was the bug since release... and they now "fixed it" by nerfing it into the ground. I have a very large imagination by i can't imagine what you are thinking right now...
Or they removed this "bug" with "no longer uses the same ability bar as warewolf" ?
I have to apologize... perhaps you don't know english and then it's understandable...Edited by balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO on June 26, 2014 7:22AM1 -
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If you think, DKs got it bad, then you can't play DK. I'll enjoy your whining when DKs will get hit with the nerf bat. And if you think 1.2.3 was all DKs have to expect, rest assured, they don't.Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »LOL, Im going to enjoy watching other classes get it as bad as DKs have got it.
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Fyrakin✭✭✭balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »dafraorb16_ESO wrote: »all classes have the stealth genius
Omg... so if a world boss aggros me and i press sneak i escape just like a nightblade would with shadow cloak ?
While i do agree i didn't pick the best example, but i thought people were smart enough to see pass that...
Every class has some mechanics characteristic only for that class... it's what makes them special... you know...
Paladins had "the bubble", rogues had "the vanish macro"... and so on...
Well, any class can use invisibility potions to escape aggro.
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