Urgent Hotfix Required

Huckdabuck · June 2014

Gaettusk wrote: »

I'm still baffled. ZoS are supposed to be an MMO Dev, but they dont even know basic MMO terms. At this point, I think Wikipedia would make a better Dev than ZoS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_(video_gaming)

Common types of exploits include:

Duping.....Duplicating items or money.

Lag and disconnection exploits.....A game with inadequate lag handling may let players intentionally cause lag for themselves to cause an advantage.[2] Similarly, a game that lets a player disconnect immediately with no consequences may let players exit a game without suffering a loss. (Shogun 2: Total War)

Geometry....Taking advantage of how the game world is built. Typically the goal of these exploits is to reach normally inaccessible areas or take unintended shortcuts in the game world. These are commonly achieved by going through walls, crossing invisible barriers made by the programmers, or scaling ledges not intended to be climbable.

Twinking......Taking advantage of design flaws in the game's gearing system in order to appear better than you actually are. Because of the EULA which twinking does not violate, it is very commonly patched in order to prevent such an exploit from posing a serious problem.

Movement speed bugs........These usually allow the player to move faster than intended, such as bunny hopping. Many of these have been embraced by certain games, such as skiing in the Tribes series.

Safe zones.......Places where a player can attack with no risk of being attacked back. This is often a form of an exploit in the geometry (terrain) of a game—however, a game may have areas that make players within them safe (especially in PvP games/zones where the opposing faction(s) may not enter) from attack while not disallowing the safe players to attack.

Game mechanics........Taking advantage of the systems that make up the gameplay. A game mechanics exploit is not a bug—it is working as designed, but at the same time is not working as intended. An example is the "wavedash" in Super Smash Bros. Melee, where the momentum gained from using a directional aerial dodge could be retained on landing; with proper timing this allows characters to use a stationary attack while sliding across the ground.

Arsenic_Touch · June 2014

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Blood you seriously don't get it. If you find a ZEN mistake and you "utilize" their mistake for your gain THAT is an exploit...no ifs ,ands or buts.

It's a very grey area. We acknowledge that the terrain issue is a bug that we need to fix, and are working on doing so as soon as possible.

No it is not and it's insulting to eveyone that pvps legitimately , that you're going to sit here and claim that...I knew you guys were going to pull something with this but never in my wildest dreams did I think you'd pull that.

But thanks for telling people that it's not an exploit to wayshrine into their starting camp and stealing their elder scroll with the gates closed and the keep still under scroll's owner's control. Thanks for telling people that it's not an exploit to spawn camp them when they wayshrine to their starting camp or load into cyrodill.

I'm sure dc and the ad will be quite thankful that you condone their behavior on wabbajack. It's a good thing that EP is ahead by enough that it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, because if this was a neck and neck score, they forums would be even worse.

Bloodvax · June 2014

Thor wrote: »

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

GUYS RELAX. IT IS THE END OF THE CAMPAIGN. NOTHING TO SEE HERE. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT LEARN HOW TO DO YOU YOURSELF TO SAVE YOUR FACTION.

It has nothing to do with campaign, it's end, scoreboard or whatever.
It is about bunch of individuals willing to use bug to destroy fun for other players.

If we get rid of them, ESO will be better game for everyone.

Deep philosophical implications here. Who gets to say which players fun is more valuable here, the people having an amazingly good time killing some foos in the pvp zone or the people sitting in the safe zone not pvping?

Frenzypanda · June 2014

Judging from the post of 2 people defending this crap, I get a feel of how "classy" my opponents are.

Halrloprillalar · June 2014

Bloodvax wrote: »

Thor wrote: »

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

GUYS RELAX. IT IS THE END OF THE CAMPAIGN. NOTHING TO SEE HERE. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT LEARN HOW TO DO YOU YOURSELF TO SAVE YOUR FACTION.

It has nothing to do with campaign, it's end, scoreboard or whatever.
It is about bunch of individuals willing to use bug to destroy fun for other players.

If we get rid of them, ESO will be better game for everyone.

Deep philosophical implications here. Who gets to say which players fun is more valuable here, the people having an amazingly good time killing some foos in the pvp zone or the people sitting in the safe zone not pvping?

But in all honesty do you really find that 'fun' in the sense of pvp or doing something you weren't supposed to?

PVP to me is killing people who are equally capable of killing me back. Ganking noobs is like winning special olympics.

That being said, banning everyone is just going to get this game dead faster. A rollback should be sufficient.

TheGrandAlliance · June 2014

Frenzypanda wrote: »

Judging from the post of 2 people defending this crap, I get a feel of how "classy" my opponents are.

IDK... more like doing it just feels awesome... like good ol' Wall Jumping days of WoW...

EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!!!

Lord_Draevan · June 2014

I think people are missing one important thing in ZOS's post:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote:
We acknowledge that the terrain issue is a bug that we need to fix, and are working on doing so as soon as possible.

This will be fixed, folks. "Grey area" or not, it won't be usable anymore.

TheGrandAlliance · June 2014

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

I think people are missing one important thing in ZOS's post:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote:
We acknowledge that the terrain issue is a bug that we need to fix, and are working on doing so as soon as possible.

This will be fixed, folks. "Grey area" or not, it won't be usable anymore.

SO they hope. There are 4 exploits that need fixing.

Frenzypanda · June 2014

looking at the speed of fixes, don't hold your breath.

Thegrandalliance, ever thought of playing GW2 or Super Mario? You can jump to your heart's content.

Lord_Draevan · June 2014

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

SO they hope. There are 4 exploits that need fixing.

Hopefully this one will take prority, since it's not just walking over walls; you can spawn at the enemy's zones. That's a pretty big deal.

Frenzypanda wrote: »

looking at the speed of fixes, don't hold your breath.

They patched an issue with no guards spawning in DC zones that appeared yesterday in less than 12 hours, so I'm hopeful this will be fixed quickly as well.

TheGrandAlliance · June 2014

Frenzypanda wrote: »

looking at the speed of fixes, don't hold your breath.

Thegrandalliance, ever thought of playing GW2 or Super Mario? You can jump to your heart's content.

/beentheredonethat

Nothing compares to getting to places your not supposed to be. Coolest looking terrain can be found in such areas.

Bloodvax · June 2014

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

I think people are missing one important thing in ZOS's post:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote:
We acknowledge that the terrain issue is a bug that we need to fix, and are working on doing so as soon as possible.

This will be fixed, folks. "Grey area" or not, it won't be usable anymore.

And thats perfectly reasonable. Dont think anyone's not saying that.

But we did get some massive LULZ in while it was active.

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Bloodvax wrote: »

Thor wrote: »

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

GUYS RELAX. IT IS THE END OF THE CAMPAIGN. NOTHING TO SEE HERE. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT LEARN HOW TO DO YOU YOURSELF TO SAVE YOUR FACTION.

It has nothing to do with campaign, it's end, scoreboard or whatever.
It is about bunch of individuals willing to use bug to destroy fun for other players.

If we get rid of them, ESO will be better game for everyone.

Deep philosophical implications here. Who gets to say which players fun is more valuable here, the people having an amazingly good time killing some foos in the pvp zone or the people sitting in the safe zone not pvping?

But in all honesty do you really find that 'fun' in the sense of pvp or doing something you weren't supposed to?

PVP to me is killing people who are equally capable of killing me back. Ganking noobs is like winning special olympics.

That being said, banning everyone is just going to get this game dead faster. A rollback should be sufficient.

Brings back that old childhood sense of rebellion and rush of adrenaline. Being up in your base killing your dudes. Its pretty cool.

ZOS_BrianWheeler · June 2014

We're working on getting those teleport/kill zones active again gang. There will be more information on when they go up as soon as we can get it to you

TheGrandAlliance · June 2014

@ZOS_BrianWheeler‌

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We're working on getting those teleport/kill zones active again gang. There will be more information on when they go up as soon as we can get it to you

That won't be enough... this problem is 4x.

1. Able to use horses to tunnel through preety much all walls (including inviso walls)
2. Some areas you can just jump up (example N Morrowind gate) and do the same effect
3. Ability to Get to Starter Areas
4. Abilty to get to Scroll Areas/bypassing gates

By locking down starer areas all you do is fix 1/4 (3) of these problems. The Scrolls can still be run back, and with the teleport zones active you can even take a scroll right into it (from scroll temple), port back to your starter area, and easy cap it.

Lord_Draevan · June 2014

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We're working on getting those teleport/kill zones active again gang. There will be more information on when they go up as soon as we can get it to you

Well that would definitely work, if by "kill zones" you mean a player entering our spawn zone/starter area would die instantly.

I would also suggest changing Scrolls in Temples so that they cannot be picked up so long as its associated Gate in closed.

Tintinabula · June 2014

"But officer..I found this house key..no..it wasn't my house..but i found a key!..so I went in and stole some stuff..it's a grey area right?..let me go..I found the key!"

Bloodvax · June 2014

Tintinabula wrote: »

"But officer..I found this house key..no..it wasn't my house..but i found a key!..so I went in and stole some stuff..it's a grey area right?..let me go..I found the key!"

LOL its a game!!!!! Your supposed to do stuff you cant do in real life. LOL if you want everything to follow rules then just I dunno do real life stuff.

Tintinabula · June 2014

sadly its stops being a game when everyone cheats.

Halrloprillalar · June 2014

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We're working on getting those teleport/kill zones active again gang. There will be more information on when they go up as soon as we can get it to you

I would also suggest changing Scrolls in Temples so that they cannot be picked up so long as its associated Gate in closed.

This would seriously *** up scroll carrying if the gate closes after the scroll has been taken, given how adroitly @ZOS implements their changes.

Currently if you try to go back past the gate after it has closed (e.g. run across past the mages) you instadie - or at least you did before this patch - and that should be sufficient.

TheGrandAlliance · June 2014

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Currently if you try to go back past the gate after it has closed (e.g. run across past the mages) you instadie - or at least you did before this patch - and that should be sufficient.

Na that is probably just because the mages AOE do a truckload of damage.

Halrloprillalar · June 2014

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Currently if you try to go back past the gate after it has closed (e.g. run across past the mages) you instadie - or at least you did before this patch - and that should be sufficient.

Na that is probably just because the mages AOE do a truckload of damage.

negative. "gate barrier" something or other hits me for 7k

TheGrandAlliance · June 2014

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Currently if you try to go back past the gate after it has closed (e.g. run across past the mages) you instadie - or at least you did before this patch - and that should be sufficient.

Na that is probably just because the mages AOE do a truckload of damage.

negative. "gate barrier" something or other hits me for 7k

LOL even if so you can:

1. Run into the starter area. DOn have to get inside just jump around a bit. You will get insta-ported back to starter area

2. Wall Tunnel your way back out (although could be hard with a scroll/people chasing u ) ALternatively have someone you can "leap" up to in the safe zone

SwampRaider · June 2014

Are they really that lazy to add a few invisible walls to prevent people from entering starter areas?

This company is.. sigh

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

TheGrandAlliance · June 2014

SwampRaider wrote: »

Are they really that lazy to add a few invisible walls to prevent people from entering starter areas?

This company is.. sigh
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@SwampRaider‌

FOR THE LAST TIME... THIS DOESN'T WORK You can tunnel right through the inviso walls.

SwampRaider · June 2014

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

Are they really that lazy to add a few invisible walls to prevent people from entering starter areas?

This company is.. sigh
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@SwampRaider‌

FOR THE LAST TIME... THIS DOESN'T WORK You can tunnel right through the inviso walls.

Then add actual terrain walls.

Halrloprillalar · June 2014

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

Are they really that lazy to add a few invisible walls to prevent people from entering starter areas?

This company is.. sigh
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@SwampRaider‌

FOR THE LAST TIME... THIS DOESN'T WORK You can tunnel right through the inviso walls.

idk how, teach me!

TheGrandAlliance · June 2014

SwampRaider wrote: »

Then add actual terrain walls.

They already exist... but the slopes are not steep/are flat so you can just navigate them To make it foolproof you would have to RETEXTURE THE ENTIRETY OF CYRODIIL. Something that isn't gonna happen in a day, week, month even.

SwampRaider · June 2014

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

SwampRaider wrote: »

Then add actual terrain walls.

They already exist... however to make it foolproof you would have to RETEXTURE THE ENTIRETY OF CYRODIIL. Something that isn't gonna happen in a day, week, month even.

so every time i enter cyrodiil now, i Should immediately stealth?

TheGrandAlliance · June 2014

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

idk how, teach me!

Refer to above pictures.

TheGrandAlliance · June 2014

SwampRaider wrote: »

so every time i enter cyrodiil now, i Should immediately stealth?

Yes.