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I still enjoy this game...one of the best MMOs out there imo.
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Horrum✭✭✭VR5 (in Bangkorai now), no robe+staff, solo 95% of the way and still loving it (wish my dl speed was higher
)! Many of the concerns raised on the forums are valid though and I hope that most of the newly emerged bugs are overstated. I will just have to wait and see. Hopefully those are squashed asap!
Reading most of the threads I have to admit that many are correct or do indeed raise valid concerns. I've had my own frustrations as well. The issue on these forums is not what is raised, but how it is raised and how others then choose to respond.3 -
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✭@RazielSR and you should expect a rude response when you act condescending towards somebody who may have a different opinion than you. Apparently, different opinion = blind and hasn't seen your reality. This is a classic case of 'stop liking what I don't like '.
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Umeil✭✭The game is a good game.
Like all new releases there will always be bugs or problems.
What most people will not look past is the general MMO where everything is just too plain easy... steam roll through everything demand the best stuff to be virtually handed out to them this game does not let you do this.... so yea there will be loads of moaners.
Balancing is an issue but they do seem to at least try and work at it
Patches are a complete bloody mess with the files to be downloaded not being zipped (if they are then how the hell do you get a bigger zipped file than the actual game) why is there no way to start dl the patch as soon as you take the servers down on patch day ?
Over all the game is pretty good and I for 1 thoroughly enjoy playing it Vet content may be a bit rough but then just roll a sorc or a dk and carry on2 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭@RazielSR and you should expect a rude response when you act condescending towards somebody who may have a different opinion than you. Apparently, different opinion = blind and hasn't seen your reality. This is a classic case of 'stop liking what I don't like '.
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Thats what you and many people is doing to people like me that are trying to help the game by saying whats going wrong (just like the PTS testers that are saying that zos never listened to them).0 -
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ESO does a good job as a single player RPG... but the point of ESO was to create a multiplayer TES experience.... but instead they just made another single player game that you can see other single player characters questing at the same time.But... but... it could have been so much more...Crotchety Old Man Guild
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✭@RazielSR and you should expect a rude response when you act condescending towards somebody who may have a different opinion than you. Apparently, different opinion = blind and hasn't seen your reality. This is a classic case of 'stop liking what I don't like '.
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Thats what you and many people is doing to people like me that are trying to help the game by saying whats going wrong (just like the PTS testers that are saying that zos never listened to them).
Help is relative. Expressing yhe opinion of enjoying the current aspects isnt denying your opinion. However assuming you are the majority and that others are just blind and harmful is an incredibly childish stance to take when faced with a different opinion. But what do I know, I haven't been blessed with sight of the true reality as you have.
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ebondeath✭✭✭✭✭There is a difference between constructive criticism and being a black hole of negativity. You come off as the latter.Edited by ebondeath on June 25, 2014 4:46PM╔═════════════⌈Alannah Corvaine⌋══════════════╗
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Lalai✭✭✭✭I dunno that it's one of the best I've played overall, but it gets the "best" award for some categories. It is the only MMO where I've been drawn into the story and actually pay attention to quests. It's also been the best at not creating a feeling that I need to rush through content. I've been going steadily through each area and completing them.. normally I'd be max level within a month, but a few months in and I'm only VR 4 (and still enjoying the game).
Best for holding my attention probably goes to WoW. I dislike it now, don't have any desire to return, find it boring... but while I played it, it was fun... and heck, I played it for around 4 years. This one also gets best raiding experience award.. probably largely due to the community I found in the game, but also because they had both easy and difficult stuff, so we could still do the hard content.
Best PvP experience goes to Shadowbane, hands down. Maybe some nostalgia talking, but I have very fond memories of banes and open world PvP there. Along with me and my friend's private city to house our mansions
Best classes/class options I'd probably award to FFXIV:ARR. Maybe even FFXI if I had played it for longer than the 30 days that came with the box. I love the FF style where all people can be all the classes, and you switch between them. I also tend to love the art style of the FF world the best.
Anyway.. ESO still has stuff to work on, but for sure it's still been a nice/fun experience Edited by Lalai on June 25, 2014 4:50PMFisher extraordinaire!
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✭The flaws will b fixed in due time, to me ESO is (almost) a perfect game for my play style!
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✭coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »
OK, good luck. Seriously, good luck once you hit vr. We'll see if you still enjoying the same.
I have a vr8 templar and a vr5 nb, AND I love vr zones, neither have set foot in exploitLorn. Love the game, even with it's faults.
Great, you and some more think the same. Problem is that the vast majority see the reality, including testers from PTS server, but nobody listen. So enjoy the game while it last.
LOL, game isn't for you, move on bud. There's nothing wrong with you not liking it. At all. I'm sure there are other games out there for you.
And "the reality"? really? Since when did opinion become reality?
And you are just being rude, just like other users here that are saying what are the problems of this game jus to help this game to be better instead of being blind like you. Continue with your preachings, you'll see how this game ends.
I believe I did say the game has faults. Also, I wasn't being rude at all. May be a language barrier thing as english is obviously not your first language (kudos though for knowing 2 languages, I do not). I'm just not pure negativity. I've always tried to point out what's wrong with the game as constructively as possible (I've been guilty a couple times of not doing this) without trying to tell people that they have to hate the game. Again, I'm sorry you don't like it. I wish you did, honestly. But there isn't anything wrong with you not liking it. Just find another game that you do.0 -
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✭✭brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »Just my opinion but I think this game is really great. It's been beaten to death by reviewers and old school elder scrolls fans for not being enough like the single player games.
IMO it's been treated a bit unfair...and while it's far from perfect, it's a damn good game. And it will continue to get better I'm sure.
I quit for a week or two to try Wildstar and find myself right back here...
Anyway....just wanted to post something positive amongst all the bit%hing today.
Have a good one...
You love ESO. Great.
Do you have anything constructive to say about the game?
What do you love about it? Is there a special part that really pleases you?Anyway....just wanted to post something positive amongst all the bit%hing today.
Why does every nice post about ESO go negative at the end?0 -
ChaosTheoryCraftSoul ShrivenI'm loving the game. I have a VR12 NB, and now leveling up a Templar (currently lvl 40). Wife and Kid loves it as well.
I think they shipped a fine game, and have made great progress on updates and new content so for. I simply don't get all the vitriol. Either folks have incredibly unrealistic expectations or just like to have something to *** about.
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ESO does a good job as a single player RPG... but the point of ESO was to create a multiplayer TES experience.... but instead they just made another single player game that you can see other single player characters questing at the same time.But... but... it could have been so much more...
Isn't that the point though? The elder scrolls saga is one of the best single player series of all time, why should that change? Just because it's an mmo, doesn't mean I has to have all multiplayer all the time. My companions are better than any follower npc could be. But I don't have to travel with them if I don't want to, same as with the npc. The world is more active and populated than a single player game, and your immersion comes down to your perspective. Is that other player doing the same thing as you? Or are you able to see them as another adventurer who happened to be arround the same time you did?
Honestly, the single player feel was what I was hoping for in this game. I hope it stays.Edited by Shunravi on June 25, 2014 5:27PMThis one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!1 -
Blackwidow wrote: »brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »Just my opinion but I think this game is really great. It's been beaten to death by reviewers and old school elder scrolls fans for not being enough like the single player games.
IMO it's been treated a bit unfair...and while it's far from perfect, it's a damn good game. And it will continue to get better I'm sure.
I quit for a week or two to try Wildstar and find myself right back here...
Anyway....just wanted to post something positive amongst all the bit%hing today.
Have a good one...
You love ESO. Great.
Do you have anything constructive to say about the game?
What do you love about it? Is there a special part that really pleases you?Anyway....just wanted to post something positive amongst all the bit%hing today.
Why does every nice post about ESO go negative at the end?
I could post lots of things I like about it but that was not my plan or I would have.
I was just pointing out that I personally still enjoy it...I was not planning on a all out review.
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✭✭ChaosTheoryCraft wrote: »I'm loving the game. I have a VR12 NB, and now leveling up a Templar (currently lvl 40). Wife and Kid loves it as well.
I think they shipped a fine game, and have made great progress on updates and new content so for. I simply don't get all the vitriol. Either folks have incredibly unrealistic expectations or just like to have something to *** about.
Yay! Another v12 nb with templar alt! And you are lovin the game too! I like you already.Edited by Shunravi on June 25, 2014 5:21PMThis one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!1 -
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✭✭brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »
I could post lots of things I like about it but that was not my plan or I would have.
I was just pointing out that I personally still enjoy it...I was not planning on a all out review.
Well, when people complain about the game and say nothing constructive, you hear that is a bad way to post.
I was asking if you had anything constructive to say because I was wondering what it is about the game you liked.You added nothing to this topic by the way.
Wow.
You said you liked the game.
I asked you what you liked about the game.
That is adding nothing to the conversation?
Please explain this logic to the rest of the class.
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Blackwidow wrote: »brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »
I could post lots of things I like about it but that was not my plan or I would have.
I was just pointing out that I personally still enjoy it...I was not planning on a all out review.
Well, when people complain about the game and say nothing constructive, you hear that is a bad way to post.
I was asking if you had anything constructive to say because I was wondering what it is about the game you liked.You added nothing to this topic by the way.
Wow.
You said you liked the game.
I asked you what you liked about the game.
That is adding nothing to the conversation?
Please explain this logic to the rest of the class.
Your original post came across a bit condescending, that's why I said it added nothing.
You did not ask what I liked about the game just to make nice conversation...at least that's not how it came across to me.2 -
SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »<p>a game being fun isn't apparently enough now a days for some reason. </p>
Unfortunately it's not. I played a NB up to VR1, completed pretty much every quest in the main PVE areas for my faction, I did plenty of PVP, but I refused to do the "tacked on at the last second VR levels". It's not enough for the game to be fun, at least for an MMO. You're making an investment on the future, if you're serious about MMO's at all. By paying a sub fee you're telling the developers that they're going in the right direction and that its worth paying so you can progress. Lots of games are fun, you dont need to pay a monthly fee to have fun.
Ultimately, for those of us who are experienced with MMO's, the red flags are obvious. This team is doing way too much knee jerk reacting. Instead of sticking to a particular vision for the game, which would've been fine because that's what I signed up for. These patches and updates they release just reek of ADD. They have no real rhyme or reason, some of the nerfs they put out dont even make sense. It's like they just panic and try to accommodate the player base based on what youtube videos or forum posts they had time to read this month.
At the end of the day, it's just not worth it to go through all this until they get their act together. I'm sure eventually they may accidentally get it right, I guess we should all keep paying $15 a month until then, just because.
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✭✭brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »
I could post lots of things I like about it but that was not my plan or I would have.
I was just pointing out that I personally still enjoy it...I was not planning on a all out review.
Well, when people complain about the game and say nothing constructive, you hear that is a bad way to post.
I was asking if you had anything constructive to say because I was wondering what it is about the game you liked.You added nothing to this topic by the way.
Wow.
You said you liked the game.
I asked you what you liked about the game.
That is adding nothing to the conversation?
Please explain this logic to the rest of the class.
Your original post came across a bit condescending, that's why I said it added nothing.
You did not ask what I liked about the game just to make nice conversation...at least that's not how it came across to me.
I can't help how you take my posts. I asked what you liked about it.
If you want to be rude and take offense, fine. I guess it was my fault for trying to have a conversation.
BTW, your post was not constructive. I was just pointing that out because it just looked like fluff to me. I was trying to give you a chance to clear up what you meant.Edited by Blackwidow on June 25, 2014 5:35PM1 -
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Perhaps it was, and I and a great many others just missed it, assuming the entirely of the game would facilitate cooperative play.Isn't that the point though?
It should, because it's a subscription-based MMO, and not a single-player game. I don't oppose the option to solo the whole game; just oppose forced-solo play.The elder scrolls saga is one of the best single player series of all time, why should that change?
Nor would I assert single-players shouldn't be able to solo through the game. My beef is that solo play is forced. That should never be, in an MMO.Just because it's an mmo, didn't mean I has to have all multiplayer all the time.
Not sure where you were going with that. Really, it's pretty simple: We purchased two copies of this game and two subscriptions, so that we could play cooperatively throughout the entirety of the game. As it stands, we cannot, and a great deal of content is walled off behind forced-solo content.My companions are better than any follower npc could be. But I don't have to travel with them if I don't want to, same as with the npc. The world is more active and populated than a single player game, and your immersion comes down to your perspective. Is that other player doing the same thing as you? Or are you able to see them as another adventurer who happened to be arround the same time you did?
Understand: It has nothing to do with difficulty - heck make it more difficult for those wanting to co-op instances for all I care.
Wouldn't want you to lose the option. Just want the same option to co-op the instances you and others choose to solo.Honestly, the single player feel was what I was hoping for in this game. I hope it stays.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Raash✭✭✭✭How is this thread "positive" other then that an individual is enjoying the game?
Do someone feel better knowing this while playing or what have I missed? From where I see it it is very doubtfully it have or should have any impact on either mine or anyone else experience with the game?
Wouldnt the game be better if they fixed most bad stuff people voices here on the forum or would it get worse by doing so?
To me there is no such thing as unfair criticism, if its valid or not is down to player to player basis. I trust in that each and every individual are fully capable to make up their own opinions about what is good or bad. I can agree or disagree, but how can i say anyone is unfair or baised or anything about what they think about the game?
Good thing OP are enjoying the game tho, I do too most of the time if it holds any relevance.
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Blackwidow wrote: »brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »
I could post lots of things I like about it but that was not my plan or I would have.
I was just pointing out that I personally still enjoy it...I was not planning on a all out review.
Well, when people complain about the game and say nothing constructive, you hear that is a bad way to post.
I was asking if you had anything constructive to say because I was wondering what it is about the game you liked.You added nothing to this topic by the way.
Wow.
You said you liked the game.
I asked you what you liked about the game.
That is adding nothing to the conversation?
Please explain this logic to the rest of the class.
Your original post came across a bit condescending, that's why I said it added nothing.
You did not ask what I liked about the game just to make nice conversation...at least that's not how it came across to me.
I can't help how you take my posts. I asked what you liked about it.
If you want to be rude and take offense, fine. I guess it was my fault for trying to have a conversation.
BTW, your post was not constructive. I was just pointing that out because it just looked like fluff to me. I was trying to give you a chance to clear up what you meant.
Well this wording here comes across that way to me....
" You love ESO. Great.
Do you have anything constructive to say about the game?"
You sound a bit like a smart ^%% to me but if you didn't mean it that way them maybe I read it wrong.0 -
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✭✭brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »You sound a bit like a smart ^%% to me but if you didn't mean it that way them maybe I read it wrong.
You did read it wrong.
When i said "You love ESO. Great." I mean that sincerely.
Then I asked -"Do you have anything constructive to say about the game?"
I did not mean that to sound rude. I was just asking for specifics.0 -
uzul77✭I will definitely go into my third subscription month, I do enjoy the game more than ever. ESO had some serious issues that should never be part of any online game, let alone a sub based one like disappearing items/skills and armadas of flying bots. But you gotta give them credit for fixing things. It is not the developers fault the game was released too early. They are doing a good job. I hope they can fix pvp soon.0
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Blackwidow wrote: »brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »You sound a bit like a smart ^%% to me but if you didn't mean it that way them maybe I read it wrong.
You did read it wrong.
When i said "You love ESO. Great." I mean that sincerely.
Then I asked -"Do you have anything constructive to say about the game?"
I did not mean that to sound rude. I was just asking for specifics.
Ok, would you like a list of reasons I enjoy the game?
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✭✭brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »You sound a bit like a smart ^%% to me but if you didn't mean it that way them maybe I read it wrong.
You did read it wrong.
When i said "You love ESO. Great." I mean that sincerely.
Then I asked -"Do you have anything constructive to say about the game?"
I did not mean that to sound rude. I was just asking for specifics.
Ok, would you like a list of reasons I enjoy the game?
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Blackwidow wrote: »brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »You sound a bit like a smart ^%% to me but if you didn't mean it that way them maybe I read it wrong.
You did read it wrong.
When i said "You love ESO. Great." I mean that sincerely.
Then I asked -"Do you have anything constructive to say about the game?"
I did not mean that to sound rude. I was just asking for specifics.
Ok, would you like a list of reasons I enjoy the game?
Please.
Well one of the biggest thing is that this game feels more like an adventure than a typical "hurry and rush to the next lvl" mmo....to me anyway.
Nothing against games like WoW (I have played it a good bit) but ESO feels like an adventure as opposed to just building up a character.
The world is absolutely beautiful and the lighting in the game is second to none.
Being able to join multiple guilds is really a cool feature.
I love the combat...manual shield blocking and weapon swinging has made the whole thing feel more real to me. Manual blocking as a tanks is supper fun imo.
Finally we have the option to really build whatever we like....want a mage tank, go for it. Want a DK healer....go for it. It's completely open and that's pretty fun.
The sound in the environments is also really well done as well as the music.
Now there are things I don't like as well...animations could be better, questing phasing is a terrible idea for an mmo...at least to the extreme it's done here and no auction house might not have been the best idea ever.
Off the top of my head that's what I came up with.
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Perhaps it was, and I and a great many others just missed it, assuming the entirely of the game would facilitate cooperative play.Isn't that the point though?
It should, because it's a subscription-based MMO, and not a single-player game. I don't oppose the option to solo the whole game; just oppose forced-solo play.The elder scrolls saga is one of the best single player series of all time, why should that change?
Nor would I assert single-players shouldn't be able to solo through the game. My beef is that solo play is forced. That should never be, in an MMO.Just because it's an mmo, didn't mean I has to have all multiplayer all the time.
Not sure where you were going with that. Really, it's pretty simple: We purchased two copies of this game and two subscriptions, so that we could play cooperatively throughout the entirety of the game. As it stands, we cannot, and a great deal of content is walled off behind forced-solo content.My companions are better than any follower npc could be. But I don't have to travel with them if I don't want to, same as with the npc. The world is more active and populated than a single player game, and your immersion comes down to your perspective. Is that other player doing the same thing as you? Or are you able to see them as another adventurer who happened to be arround the same time you did?
Understand: It has nothing to do with difficulty - heck make it more difficult for those wanting to co-op instances for all I care.
Wouldn't want you to lose the option. Just want the same option to co-op the instances you and others choose to solo.Honestly, the single player feel was what I was hoping for in this game. I hope it stays.
Yea, I agree the forced solo play is not very becoming of an mmo. Complete agreement on that. I just like the single player feel is all. That may be totally personal. The way they phased those quests, and the lack of group options is just horrible imo. It really should be at the top of their priorities along with balance fixes, not knee jerk nerfs, and guild store functionality.
As for that middle paragraph, it really is kinda filler, but I was trying to compare the experience between the two geanres. Instead of a mindless npc follower who charges in when you don't want them to, you get a mindless pc who charges in when you don't want them to. At least you get to yell effectively at the pc. I like seeing other players running around as it makes the world feel more alive then the single player games. And you could bring those companion npcs anywhere. Why can't I bring a pc everywhere?
But yea, they really need to improve the mm in this mmo.Edited by Shunravi on June 25, 2014 6:56PMThis one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!1 -
Lalai✭✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »You sound a bit like a smart ^%% to me but if you didn't mean it that way them maybe I read it wrong.
You did read it wrong.
When i said "You love ESO. Great." I mean that sincerely.
Then I asked -"Do you have anything constructive to say about the game?"
I did not mean that to sound rude. I was just asking for specifics.
Ok, would you like a list of reasons I enjoy the game?
Please.
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[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments
While I often distrust Blackwidow's intentions behind posting certain things based on all his/her postings as a whole, the attack you just did was completely unwarranted and just hurts the group of players who try to bring a little positive into the forums.
Anyway, personal view on the whole having to define what it is you find good/bad. In a positive post it's okay to not be specific, negative post you should be. My reasoning for this is that the forums are not just a place for people to come and list specific features of the game and why they do or don't like them. It's also suppose to be a place where people can come together and develop a community (which is why I'd also like an OT forum).
A negative post that offers no actual points on why they don't like the game doesn't really foster any sort of positive community interaction. It fosters a sense of hate. So not only is it not helping the game to improve, but it's actually hurting the community.
A positive post isn't made to try and help the game improve, it's also not made to try and hold the game back. It helps the community in that it's a refreshing breath of air from all the daily muck the forums tend to be. It doesn't hurt the game because the person posting isn't saying the game has no issues.
This is the same reason I don't think there should be a disagree button. You can agree with something in general without having to get into specifics as to why. If you're going to disagree, then you should probably write down why you disagree with it. Many of the people who have posted positive opinions, or positive posts such as this one, are also in other threads giving suggestions. So they do speak up when they disagree, but are basically giving a thumbs up when they are having fun (agreeing).Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on June 25, 2014 7:15PMFisher extraordinaire!
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NerfEverything✭✭✭✭✭Poor OP has confused MMO with RPG. This is a great RPG. This is one of the worst MMOs to be released in the past 5 years. And for its budget, it might be the worst MMO in history.0