Social clothes and vampire appearance

MornaBaine · June 2014

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

scroll up a bit and get back on topic. this is not about any kind of vampiric fashion. swit

LOL Point taken. I certainly don't really want to see "vampire fashions" implemented but what I WOULD really love to see are heavily cultural clothing options. The noble wear of the Imperials should be wildly different from that of the Red Guards and Khajits, etc. And i think it wold be good if you had to have the proper motifs to craft that clothing just as you do for the armor.

Moonscythe · June 2014

I would love to see social clothing and think it would be nice to have it be both costumes for something extravagant. Maybe if a community finally develops we could have festivals or something and fancy garb would be fun but I would still like to have just walking around town clothes that aren't armor and those could be either crafted or costumes.

Actually, now I think on it, I would prefer all social clothes to be in the costume/disguise slot because sometimes I don't like the look of the armor but still want the protection. Of course that would make the need for an inventory slot that did not count as inventory even more important since clothes need to be carried with you.

jockjammerb16_ESO · June 2014

I dont like the costume idea. each there own, after the dyes are implimented its almost a moot point. I would like to see appearence tabs,I.E. making armor look the way you want.I hate most high level armor.

MornaBaine · June 2014

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

I dont like the costume idea. each there own, after the dyes are implimented its almost a moot point. I would like to see appearence tabs,I.E. making armor look the way you want.I hate most high level armor.

But that's EXACTLY what the costume slot already does. Putting on a costume in the game right now makes your character look a certain way BUT you retain all the stats of the armor you are actually wearing. So, by doing social clothes as costumes, if you want to wear a silk bikini but have your full plate stats, hey you can! LOL

MornaBaine · June 2014

Moonscythe wrote: »

I would love to see social clothing and think it would be nice to have it be both costumes for something extravagant. Maybe if a community finally develops we could have festivals or something and fancy garb would be fun but I would still like to have just walking around town clothes that aren't armor and those could be either crafted or costumes.

Actually, now I think on it, I would prefer all social clothes to be in the costume/disguise slot because sometimes I don't like the look of the armor but still want the protection. Of course that would make the need for an inventory slot that did not count as inventory even more important since clothes need to be carried with you.

Bingo! And I think, were they to do this, they need to implement a "wardrobe" which would be a chest or bag you could purchase that would hold all your clothes! Otherwise I would be in big trouble as I am a total clothes horse and would likely soon fill up my bank or bag! LOL

demonlkojipub19_ESO · June 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

I dont like the costume idea. each there own, after the dyes are implimented its almost a moot point. I would like to see appearence tabs,I.E. making armor look the way you want.I hate most high level armor.

But that's EXACTLY what the costume slot already does. Putting on a costume in the game right now makes your character look a certain way BUT you retain all the stats of the armor you are actually wearing. So, by doing social clothes as costumes, if you want to wear a silk bikini but have your full plate stats, hey you can! LOL

some costumes also serve as disguises, as seen in a good number of quests and areas through ESO. If there is ever a system implemented where NPCs fear and hunt us vamps for what we are, it would be the costume disguises that help keep us out of unwanted combat or fleeing situations.

Hamfast · June 2014

Halke wrote: »

Hamfast wrote: »

As someone pointed out earlier, to be able to Mask your affliction would mean either very new or very powerful, perhaps then, as you progress in your vampire skill, the changes become more drastic... a Level 1 Vampire at Stage 1 would look almost normal, stage 4 would be very pale, a Level 10 vampire at stage 1 would look normal, but at stage 4 would be hideous...

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Also, right now when you feed you don't go from stage 4 down to stage 1 in one setting. You have to feed once per stage you want to tick down (unless they changed that since I last fed, I kinda gave up on it since my appearance doesn't change anyways). That said, I like your idea much, much better. Having time spent feeding increase as your hunger does, and having feeding do damage, would be awesome!

You are correct in that it takes 3 feedings to go from stage 4 to stage 1, I did not mean to imply that it should change or not change, just the ferocity of the feeding and the damage caused...

While I would not be unhappy to see the time in each stage lengthened, that would be another point that folks would agree or disagree about.

On the RP issue, as the Vampire's hunger grows, it should become more obvious that something is wrong, and if that means you have to nip out every so often to grab a quick snack to hide the affliction, work it in to your role

Hamfast · June 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

Hamfast wrote: »

As someone pointed out earlier, to be able to Mask your affliction would mean either very new or very powerful, perhaps then, as you progress in your vampire skill, the changes become more drastic... a Level 1 Vampire at Stage 1 would look almost normal, stage 4 would be very pale, a Level 10 vampire at stage 1 would look normal, but at stage 4 would be hideous...

By the same token, Feeding at stage 4 should be fatal for the victim, the vampire is "Starving", at each stage the outcome could be less severe, taking about 25% of the victims Health per stage... this could also be applied to willing (Players) Victims, but should always apply to the unwilling... Stage 4 in PvP would be a way to kill an opponent, but leave you exposed to their buddies and very vulnerable to fire. Lower stages would also weaken the opponent, but not kill them (unless they were already weakened)...

Another side effect in PvP could be the Victim could have a choice, based on the % of health lost to the bite, to become a vampire (go through the ritual) or Get Cured, and this should not count against the 1 willing bite a week we get at stage 6...

Making the bite interrupt-able (Bitus interruptus?) could allow a victim's friend to stop the attack (not the victim) thus save their friend prior to the end, if the animation takes 4 seconds, at stage 4 that would be 25% of the victim's health per second, personally, I would make the animation 2 seconds per level, stage 2 to stage 1 is a quick top off the tank splash and dash thing, stage 4 is a full, almost out of control feeding frenzy... and while the victim is hurt by the interrupted bite, the vampire must complete the feeding (or kill the victim) to get the benefit... to interrupt the bite would also require a substantial hit to or the death of the vampire...

I can see Cyrodiil now, overrun by slavering mobs of hideous out of control vampires...

All of this would be pretty cool but it would require them redoing the entire vampire class, which I don't really see happening. What I'm asking for is a pretty small cosmetic add-on with the possibility down the road that stage 4 vampirism may have consequences when they implement a justice system. Probably a lot more do-able.

We can dream can't we?

Halke · June 2014

Hamfast wrote: »

Halke wrote: »

Hamfast wrote: »

As someone pointed out earlier, to be able to Mask your affliction would mean either very new or very powerful, perhaps then, as you progress in your vampire skill, the changes become more drastic... a Level 1 Vampire at Stage 1 would look almost normal, stage 4 would be very pale, a Level 10 vampire at stage 1 would look normal, but at stage 4 would be hideous...

...

Also, right now when you feed you don't go from stage 4 down to stage 1 in one setting. You have to feed once per stage you want to tick down (unless they changed that since I last fed, I kinda gave up on it since my appearance doesn't change anyways). That said, I like your idea much, much better. Having time spent feeding increase as your hunger does, and having feeding do damage, would be awesome!

You are correct in that it takes 3 feedings to go from stage 4 to stage 1, I did not mean to imply that it should change or not change, just the ferocity of the feeding and the damage caused...

While I would not be unhappy to see the time in each stage lengthened, that would be another point that folks would agree or disagree about.

On the RP issue, as the Vampire's hunger grows, it should become more obvious that something is wrong, and if that means you have to nip out every so often to grab a quick snack to hide the affliction, work it in to your role

I don't RP in just one guild however, and one of my guilds murders undead. They are ok with OOC vampirism however the insane change in appearance is trying on even the best RPers.

I think the idea is more than just a struggle with characters however. I don't think I know anyone that needs to eat every thirty minutes to live. On an RP note that makes vampirism impossible to hide from your fellows, and you miss a ton of content because you are constantly leaving. Again, this is worse for dark skinned races.

Hamfast · June 2014

Halke wrote: »

Hamfast wrote: »

Halke wrote: »

Hamfast wrote: »

As someone pointed out earlier, to be able to Mask your affliction would mean either very new or very powerful, perhaps then, as you progress in your vampire skill, the changes become more drastic... a Level 1 Vampire at Stage 1 would look almost normal, stage 4 would be very pale, a Level 10 vampire at stage 1 would look normal, but at stage 4 would be hideous...

...

Also, right now when you feed you don't go from stage 4 down to stage 1 in one setting. You have to feed once per stage you want to tick down (unless they changed that since I last fed, I kinda gave up on it since my appearance doesn't change anyways). That said, I like your idea much, much better. Having time spent feeding increase as your hunger does, and having feeding do damage, would be awesome!

You are correct in that it takes 3 feedings to go from stage 4 to stage 1, I did not mean to imply that it should change or not change, just the ferocity of the feeding and the damage caused...

While I would not be unhappy to see the time in each stage lengthened, that would be another point that folks would agree or disagree about.

On the RP issue, as the Vampire's hunger grows, it should become more obvious that something is wrong, and if that means you have to nip out every so often to grab a quick snack to hide the affliction, work it in to your role

I don't RP in just one guild however, and one of my guilds murders undead. They are ok with OOC vampirism however the insane change in appearance is trying on even the best RPers.

I think the idea is more than just a struggle with characters however. I don't think I know anyone that needs to eat every thirty minutes to live. On an RP note that makes vampirism impossible to hide from your fellows, and you miss a ton of content because you are constantly leaving. Again, this is worse for dark skinned races.

Well, you are not really having to eat every 30 minutes to live, just to "Appear Normal" as for the Darker Skinned Races, quite true, the current cosmetic change is more drastic for a member of a darker skinned race... were it changed so that at Stage 1 (and at higher level vamp) the hew of your skin would be darker, look more "normal", lower level Vamps would have not had the practice/power to hide the affliction as well, nor would they have been as ravaged by the condition.

Costumes are a way for anyone to hide anything, the extreme is an Orc in a Bosmer Costume, but some of the outward signs of the vampire affliction should be harder to hide then several inches of height and several hundred pounds

Granted, Razum Dar's earring shows that it's possible to alter your appearance totally.

demonlkojipub19_ESO · June 2014

That earring actually was equipped into the costume slot

andre.roques.3b14_ESO · June 2014

Not a vampire and fairly anti-vampire for the sake of the origins of the disease (from the Molag Bal side of lore).
But to the subject, there shouldn't be a way to completely hide the affliction. Yes, there are NPCs that appear to in game...and we don't know exactly how, illusion maybe. This become a non-cosmetic issue in PvP since knowing you are a Vampire means an enemy should rely on fire and Guild powers as a weapon against you.
The idea of crafted fashion either using the disguise or armor slots is a fairly interesting/good idea especially for RP. And to some degree this may be kind of covered by the dyeing/color changes proposed. You do have to consider the level of complexity transmitting individual appearance data in MMOs; the more detail and intricacies per character is more data that has to be transmitted/maintained. I'd think there are higher priorities for development.
The only changes I would suggest/support is in regard to stage progression. I agree that stage one appearance should be slight with each following stage being significant in jumps: redish eyes, then paler skin and blood red eyes, then white skin and glowing red eyes, with final stages being very alien and ugly veins eyes and skin all just way off the norm. Likewise the advancement of stages should be longer...much longer, like 1/2 day or more.

MornaBaine · June 2014

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

Not a vampire and fairly anti-vampire for the sake of the origins of the disease (from the Molag Bal side of lore).
But to the subject, there shouldn't be a way to completely hide the affliction. Yes, there are NPCs that appear to in game...and we don't know exactly how, illusion maybe. This become a non-cosmetic issue in PvP since knowing you are a Vampire means an enemy should rely on fire and Guild powers as a weapon against you.
The idea of crafted fashion either using the disguise or armor slots is a fairly interesting/good idea especially for RP. And to some degree this may be kind of covered by the dyeing/color changes proposed. You do have to consider the level of complexity transmitting individual appearance data in MMOs; the more detail and intricacies per character is more data that has to be transmitted/maintained. I'd think there are higher priorities for development.
The only changes I would suggest/support is in regard to stage progression. I agree that stage one appearance should be slight with each following stage being significant in jumps: redish eyes, then paler skin and blood red eyes, then white skin and glowing red eyes, with final stages being very alien and ugly veins eyes and skin all just way off the norm. Likewise the advancement of stages should be longer...much longer, like 1/2 day or more.

While overall I agree this would, again, mean having them basically redo the entire vampire class and, again, I just don't see that happening. A cosmetic alteration, however, is pretty minor stuff and CAN be implemented with a fair amount of ease. As for being recognizable as a vamp in Cyrodil... I'm not sure they should be. It would become apparent as soon as they used a vamp ability and doesn't really need to be obvious any sooner than that.

Darkeus · June 2014

imo vamps should have red eyes, atm i dont like how vamp eyes are, after stage 1 their eyes should glow red even more, atm i dont know but vamps after stage 2 look like pale zombies, see the legacy of kain there are some nice vamps.

Pheefs · June 2014

I'd love to be able to make "outfits/costumes" as part of clothier, I want Town Clothes more than I want that disguise of a skeleton!

poodlemasterb16_ESO · June 2014

You will find the level 26+ Breton light hat helps:

A real vampire stays at stage 4. I only feed her for big solo boss fights. The ones without adds, or as she calls them ... snacks.

andre.roques.3b14_ESO · June 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

While overall I agree this would, again, mean having them basically redo the entire vampire class and, again, I just don't see that happening. A cosmetic alteration, however, is pretty minor stuff and CAN be implemented with a fair amount of ease. As for being recognizable as a vamp in Cyrodil... I'm not sure they should be. It would become apparent as soon as they used a vamp ability and doesn't really need to be obvious any sooner than that.

I'd think the stage timer change would be fairly trivial. I have zero knowledge of the codebase; it literally could be changing an integer from 30 (min) to 720. I'd think the stage appearance changes would be significant effort simply because the current changes are so much more extreme. And, I just really have a problem with the Argonian and Khajiit changing colors. Not sure I understand why being bloodless would cause fur to turn white. (yes, I know it is fantasy but take the blood out of a furry mammal and, at worst, you may see pink noses turn white)

Halke · June 2014

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

You will find the level 26+ Breton light hat helps:

A real vampire stays at stage 4. I only feed her for big solo boss fights. The ones without adds, or as she calls them ... snacks.

To bad that looks shoddy on Khajiit and doesn't hide you as well. It was the first thing I tried lol. Yeah couldn't imagine not being stage 4, but I would gladly feed if I could be black again (or at least close).

Halke · June 2014

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

And, I just really have a problem with the Argonian and Khajiit changing colors. Not sure I understand why being bloodless would cause fur to turn white. (yes, I know it is fantasy but take the blood out of a furry mammal and, at worst, you may see pink noses turn white)

Omg yes! Someone else understands my pain!

MornaBaine · June 2014

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

You will find the level 26+ Breton light hat helps:

A real vampire stays at stage 4. I only feed her for big solo boss fights. The ones without adds, or as she calls them ... snacks.

I habe Eldrad's Wedding Beil, which is what this looks like. It doesn't really do MUCH to hide one's nature, especially at stages 3 and 4. The point is I don't want to HAVE TO wear some sort of mask. It is not unreasonable to maintain the look of Stage 1 or even to look NORMAL until hitting Stage 3 or 4. Then, even if they give us the abilit to alter our appearance, by Stage 4 all bets should be off, the "mask" should drop, NPC townies should run and cream for the Guard and the Gurard should try to do us in forthwith!

MornaBaine · June 2014

Ugh, one should not attempt tp [ost 4 glasses of win in! lol Nite peeps!

MornaBaine · June 2014

er, wine. sheesh

Halke · June 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

Ugh, one should not attempt tp [ost 4 glasses of win in! lol Nite peeps!

Haha, no you should game at that stage!

MornaBaine · June 2014

I would have but I started drinking because the damn patch was taking so damn long!!!! LOL

MornaBaine · June 2014

So on the issue of social clothes... I personally prefer that they be culture specific. But of course I would want any character to be able to wear any clothes. Would you prefer to have players craft social clothes and require that they have the proper trait for each style just as they do for armor? Or would you prefer to have to purchase clothes from an NPC vendor where you would have to travel to Ali'kir to get Red Guard Styled clothing, Glenumbra to get Breton styled clothing, etc.?

Raash · June 2014

No thanks. i enjoy RP but cant remember seeing Bram Stoker anywhere in the title of the game. and vampires are undead creeps, they should be hunted down not dressed up.

MornaBaine · June 2014

Raash wrote: »

No thanks. i enjoy RP but cant remember seeing Bram Stoker anywhere in the title of the game. and vampires are undead creeps, they should be hunted down not dressed up.

Nice way to completely fail to read or understand the topic. Carry on.

Raash · June 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

No thanks. i enjoy RP but cant remember seeing Bram Stoker anywhere in the title of the game. and vampires are undead creeps, they should be hunted down not dressed up.

Nice way to completely fail to read or understand the topic. Carry on.

Aha. yeha i was under the impression you asked for vampire social clothing and better appearance. I was highly misstaken then.

Noctisse · June 2014

Vampire mechanics have pretty much always been that way in Elden Scrolls games...so, one assumes you know what you're getting yourself into when you agree or even pay to make yourself one. If you want to look at it RPwise, constantly having to try to hide the monster you are is the price you pay for your powers.

There are already other threads regarding the social clothes subject, which I completely agree with.

Whisper292 · June 2014

butterfly442 wrote: »

Of all the *** broken in this game and this is what you post about.

I'm ashamed to be on the same server with people like you.

Then go away.